Brodie Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) Just been watching Racing Unhinged video of the stable tour for Motukarara a few days back! Apparently there was no Wifi or phone reception at all out there! So, people were not able to bet on their phones or account ! This would have a detrimental effect for oncourse wagering on the biggest day of the year for the club! This used to be a problem and put many people including myself from going oncourse. The TAB are supposedly trying to get people punting and this is not one way of doing it, quite the opposite! I was under the impression that they had put a cell tower up that was going to work, but obviously doesnt! In this day and age it just is not good enough and is also very dangerous for medical reasons and emergencies with no phone reception! Even racing Unhinged’s Nigel Armstrong, a total enthusiast had had enough by race 7 from not being able to punt, that he left the course. Wonder what the TAB’s response to this is? Stop certain punters wagering what they want and restrict them to small amounts and now stop every punter from punting on account and phone at Mot! Edited January 1 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 But everyone loves 'grass track racing' ,and the more it in the wop-wops the more people love it. Those who are serious on their betting will bet early etc , the once a year racegoer doesn't care cos the kidsare happy and the beer is cold ! Courses that race a few times can't be expected to have the latest modern facilities etc. Maybe that why it overall better to put money into a few decent facilities....concrete jungles That Banks Pen meeting has been hugely popular for decades....people love it...they know what they gonna get ,and they want more ! Often a full house ! As Unhinged would say...thats what Harness Racing is all about ! Maybe he does prefer Methven....wink wink ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 1 Author Share Posted January 1 (edited) 16 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: But everyone loves 'grass track racing' ,and the more it in the wop-wops the more people love it. Those who are serious on their betting will bet early etc , the once a year racegoer doesn't care cos the kidsare happy and the beer is cold ! Courses that race a few times can't be expected to have the latest modern facilities etc. Maybe that why it overall better to put money into a few decent facilities....concrete jungles That Banks Pen meeting has been hugely popular for decades....people love it...they know what they gonna get ,and they want more ! Often a full house ! As Unhinged would say...thats what Harness Racing is all about ! Maybe he does prefer Methven....wink wink ! With respect, Mot runs sufficient number of meetings each year to deserve internet and phone reception It is not in the Wop Wops, it is only about 15 to 20 mins from Halswell! Methven is more Wop Wops and it has reception. Some of the serious punters want to bet late, On account or phone when the bookies change the odds! There is absolutely no way on earth that anyone can defend this situation in the 21st century! Yes there are issues regarding the hills but seriously if men can land on the moon in tge 1960s then how hard is it to put a tower in the correct place to obtain cell tower reception?? Just undefendable and tragic for harness racing once again Edited January 1 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 37 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: But everyone loves 'grass track racing' ,and the more it in the wop-wops the more people love it. Those who are serious on their betting will bet early etc , the once a year racegoer doesn't care cos the kidsare happy and the beer is cold ! Courses that race a few times can't be expected to have the latest modern facilities etc. Maybe that why it overall better to put money into a few decent facilities....concrete jungles Why couldn't HRNZ and Entain (TABNZ) solve the problem? Clubs were forced to put in fixed line internet connections to enable broadcasting of HD video why couldn't they supply a WiFi access point using the same high speed connection? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 brodster why do you need your phone? .as you dont bet anymore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, paleface adios said: brodster why do you need your phone? .as you dont bet anymore Lol. I did have a spell Paleface! Thing is Xmas racing is when punters should do well , and this is the case once again! If you are good at something Paleface, it is hard to not participate! No Bookies dont play fair, but I overcome that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Was Wifi for first couple of races until crowd arrived, wifi back on for race 9. I suppose you get that many people trying to watch tab as well as others live streaming, you can see issue. Been there several times in last year, wifi works fine at all meetings, except the busy Xmas one. TAB should be able to set up free satellite wifi for day and use for other meetings around nz in similar situations. Saved me money, horses went crap and couldn’t be bothered going to get cash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 34 minutes ago, Brodie said: No Bookies dont play fair, but I overcome that! Bloody Legend !!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 40 minutes ago, Newmarket said: TAB should be able to set up free satellite wifi for day and use for other meetings around nz in similar situations Wouldn't take much to piggyback off the connection they have to have anyway. Could even restrict access to the TABNZ site and app. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: Was Wifi for first couple of races until crowd arrived, wifi back on for race 9. I suppose you get that many people trying to watch tab as well as others live streaming, you can see issue. Been there several times in last year, wifi works fine at all meetings, except the busy Xmas one. TAB should be able to set up free satellite wifi for day and use for other meetings around nz in similar situations. Saved me money, horses went crap and couldn’t be bothered going to get cash Exactly Newmarket....many thanks for explaining this . Does this Brodie character just like moaning his arse off , and repeating himself ......just for the sake of it. I too understood , as per his 2000 posts in recent times that he rarely if ever bet on NZ racing . He simply moaning about a temporary issue here , an anomaly...surprised he sucked the Chief into supporting him ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Why couldn't HRNZ and Entain (TABNZ) solve the problem? Clubs were forced to put in fixed line internet connections to enable broadcasting of HD video why couldn't they supply a WiFi access point using the same high speed connection? Ring and ask why , find out and report back. As explained above it uually works well. Mot betting figures for the day plus the fact it was as usual a very popular turnout would suggest most know the ropes . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, TAB For Ever said: He simply moaning about a temporary issue here , an anomaly...surprised he sucked the Chief into supporting him ! No he's not. He is raising a legitimate concern that could easily be addressed by using the TAB and club infrastructure. God forbid that they even think about facilitating good customer service. You missed @Newmarket point - he bet less! He saved money by keeping his money in his account BUT the industry didn't get any of that losing revenue!!!! As for Brodie he has a valid gripe that unfortunately most us don't experience because unlike him when we bet we lose more than we win. I was sitting next to someone yesterday and every bet he tried to make went through an approval process. Only because he is generally a successful punter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 4 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Exactly Newmarket....many thanks for explaining this . Does this Brodie character just like moaning his arse off , and repeating himself ......just for the sake of it. I too understood , as per his 2000 posts in recent times that he rarely if ever bet on NZ racing . He simply moaning about a temporary issue here , an anomaly...surprised he sucked the Chief into supporting him ! Your name says it all doesnt it? Great that you are an employee of the TAB and have come on to support them! TAB FOR EVER, if you believe that the Mot situation was satisfactory then we all can see why the industry is in deep shite with your attitude! As for betting on NZ harness racing, that is basically all I wager on. I do have a major gambling problem and that is that the NZ TAB will not allow me to wager what I want to!!! If you hadnt realised TAB FOR EVER, Bit of A Yarn is a forum for racing enthusiasts and like to express opinions and thoughts on racing! This includes things that are right and things that are wrong with the industry currently and my personal opinions are designed to get people talking. I would hope that anything that seems wrong can be looked into by the TAB and HRNZ etc. because I can tell you now, if the TAB and other relative parties continues on its current trajectory, harness is going to be decimated! Your bury your head in the sand and think everything is rosie attitude, is one reason things are not that flash! Great to have you here and we all welcome your future contributions! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 5 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Exactly Newmarket....many thanks for explaining this . Does this Brodie character just like moaning his arse off , and repeating himself ......just for the sake of it. I too understood , as per his 2000 posts in recent times that he rarely if ever bet on NZ racing . He simply moaning about a temporary issue here , an anomaly...surprised he sucked the Chief into supporting him ! TAB FOR EVER, for the record, Harness Racing Unhinged/ Nigel Armstrongis doing huge unpaid work promoting harness racing if you hadnt realised!!! He is promoting it by syndication and also his many videos! If you havent watched the video he produced on the day of Motukarara races, you should probably watch it? He left the course early which he would not normally do! Why? he was pissed off due to the fact that he was unable to bet oncourse the way he wanted to as well as many others! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Brodie said: TAB FOR EVER, for the record, Harness Racing Unhinged/ Nigel Armstrongis doing huge unpaid work promoting harness racing if you hadnt realised!!! He is promoting it by syndication and also his many videos! If you havent watched the video he produced on the day of Motukarara races, you should probably watch it? He left the course early which he would not normally do! Why? he was pissed off due to the fact that he was unable to bet oncourse the way he wanted to as well as many others! I follow all of Nigel Unhinged Beach reports , racecourse wanderings and interviews.I also see him scurrying around the course at Addington etc. Certainly an amazing Harness enthusiast with positive can-do attitude. Watch his Beach reports every week , even showed them to overseas Harness folk I know. I'd actually expect him to 'investigate' these serious types of issues you moan your arse off about...and can't believe he'd leave a meeting early cos he missed his bets. Those figures for the Motukarara meeting are impressive...rarely is $1.8 mill reached at grass track meeting . I remember Westport did $1.9 in 2021 , Mot did $1.570 that year . My mates at TAB are pushing hard ...those guaranteed First 4 pools often get the punters excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 5 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: I'd actually expect him to 'investigate' these serious types of issues you moan your arse off about...and can't believe he'd leave a meeting early cos he missed his bets. So you didn't watch that particular report? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 2 Author Share Posted January 2 (edited) 8 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: I follow all of Nigel Unhinged Beach reports , racecourse wanderings and interviews.I also see him scurrying around the course at Addington etc. Certainly an amazing Harness enthusiast with positive can-do attitude. Watch his Beach reports every week , even showed them to overseas Harness folk I know. I'd actually expect him to 'investigate' these serious types of issues you moan your arse off about...and can't believe he'd leave a meeting early cos he missed his bets. Those figures for the Motukarara meeting are impressive...rarely is $1.8 mill reached at grass track meeting . I remember Westport did $1.9 in 2021 , Mot did $1.570 that year . My mates at TAB are pushing hard ...those guaranteed First 4 pools often get the punters excited. Tab For Ever, you say you would expect Nigel to investigate these serious types of issues I moan about? Firstly, I am not moaning, pointing out something that is not right and needs to be looked into!!!! Secondly and most importantly, Nigel is UNPAID, thats right UNPAID, for the great job that he is doing in promoting harness racing! Surely to expect that it is Nigel’s job to investigate is just further taking the PISS????? Yes Racing Unhinged probably enjoys what he does but I would imagine it takes many hours each and every week, to produce what he does and all for the good of harness racing! Yes he is doing the promotion off his own back, but my personal opinion is that he is doing a great job and he is now taken for granted by the industry! You clearly work for the TAB, and the fact that Motukarara turnover is so good, shows that the powerhouse of harness is in Canterbury! How about sorting out the North Island issues? Turnover would be improved further if you would allow all punters to be treated equally!!!!! Here’s to a great 2024, with the TAB giving more freedom for all punters? Edited January 2 by Brodie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 Nigel does a great job and I watch his broadcasts all the time on Facebook . They are quite fun and all , but is not a TAB job and therefore remains unpaid. I'm sure the HRNZ has people that work on sponsorships and promotional work all the time. The race for example a great promotion for harness racing. The Race has come into play and now a feature Trotting slot race will be run as well . A sign of the times that owners can put up the cash themselves to 'take each other On' and get a large reward if they Win the Day. good luck to them . Average old kiwi horse Betterzippit even got $1/2 million in one go in Australia last year. Excellent stuff for owners and trainers ..... Brodie has plenty of gripes about Auckland , betting issues, Nigels input , and much more. (it's not this blokes fault Brodie who has wrote in) sounds to me he has a Positive View going forward so is trying to keep the game going . Canterbury isn't the B ALL and End ALL of harness racing as you say , and we Need to support North Island participants as well . You never have , and probably never will , .. demanding this TAB guy 'Sort out the North issues' is a bit rich , when the TAB control over the Financial Housing mess the ATC got into, is the main Issue. If they lose Franklin course then that will be hard to come back from. Not TAB's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 2 Share Posted January 2 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: Nigel does a great job and I watch his broadcasts all the time on Facebook . They are quite fun and all , but is not a TAB job and therefore remains unpaid. I'm sure the HRNZ has people that work on sponsorships and promotional work all the time. Marketing is a big issue. MacKenzie pushed it out to the codes taking it off the TAB profit and loss. Thus it had to be paid out of the code funding. Of course we then get THREE separate marketing groups created for each code. It's a mess. Then add the likes of Twentyman into the mix and the whole marketing promotional side of things is a Heavy 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 On 3/01/2024 at 10:07 AM, Gammalite said: Nigel does a great job and I watch his broadcasts all the time on Facebook . They are quite fun and all , but is not a TAB job and therefore remains unpaid. I'm sure the HRNZ has people that work on sponsorships and promotional work all the time. The race for example a great promotion for harness racing. The Race has come into play and now a feature Trotting slot race will be run as well . A sign of the times that owners can put up the cash themselves to 'take each other On' and get a large reward if they Win the Day. good luck to them . Average old kiwi horse Betterzippit even got $1/2 million in one go in Australia last year. Excellent stuff for owners and trainers ..... Brodie has plenty of gripes about Auckland , betting issues, Nigels input , and much more. (it's not this blokes fault Brodie who has wrote in) sounds to me he has a Positive View going forward so is trying to keep the game going . Canterbury isn't the B ALL and End ALL of harness racing as you say , and we Need to support North Island participants as well . You never have , and probably never will , .. demanding this TAB guy 'Sort out the North issues' is a bit rich , when the TAB control over the Financial Housing mess the ATC got into, is the main Issue. If they lose Franklin course then that will be hard to come back from. Not TAB's fault. Gamma, “The Race” is a financial loss for harness in NZ, Cambridge are a club that is also losing money, just like Auckland is! Cambridge tried to plug the financial hole for “The Race” by running a raffle last year! It is just an exchange of funds between the corporates and the more financial owners in Australasia! We need to be hearing what the plan is from The Suits that are really well financially compensated!!! The TAB bring out these new betting options like the Power Plays and het they have no option no.s to be able to bet at agencies or pubTabs. If you can not get money on, then wipe them and concentrate on the punters that want to wager!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On 2/01/2024 at 10:57 AM, TAB For Ever said: But everyone loves 'grass track racing' ,and the more it in the wop-wops the more people love it. Those who are serious on their betting will bet early etc , the once a year racegoer doesn't care cos the kidsare happy and the beer is cold ! Courses that race a few times can't be expected to have the latest modern facilities etc. Maybe that why it overall better to put money into a few decent facilities....concrete jungles That Banks Pen meeting has been hugely popular for decades....people love it...they know what they gonna get ,and they want more ! Often a full house ! As Unhinged would say...thats what Harness Racing is all about ! Maybe he does prefer Methven....wink wink ! I agree with your comments, alot of the punters at that meeting probably are once a year betters, just wondered wether all the serious punters would be looking at a meeting where most races are maidens of lowly accesses horses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 9 minutes ago, Shad said: I agree with your comments, alot of the punters at that meeting probably are once a year betters, just wondered wether all the serious punters would be looking at a meeting where most races are maidens of lowly accesses horses. Are they once a year punters? I believe that is another myth perpetrated by some administrators to serve their misconceived strategies. Serious punters will look for value anywhere. Often the best value is at those meetings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 14 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Are they once a year punters? I believe that is another myth perpetrated by some administrators to serve their misconceived strategies. Serious punters will look for value anywhere. Often the best value is at no Dont know about those misconceived strategies, but many of the picnic meetings I've been to it's a once or twice a year outing for many locals and visitors alike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Are they once a year punters? I believe that is another myth perpetrated by some administrators to serve their misconceived strategies. Serious punters will look for value anywhere. Often the best value is at those meetings. Serious punters want to be able to get their bets on, Chief! A serious punter also might like to attend a meeting such as Mot at Xmas but they will not bither in the future if they know that they can not get a bet on oncourse unless it is thru the ticket sellers! If the industry is to stay viable everything needs to be done to retain existing punters, but the TAB in particular are doing an extremely poor job! The big crowd is due to somewhere for holiday goers to go over Xmas just like proplr go to Addington for Cup Day once a year! Reality is that they DO need punters whether it be oncourse or offcourse wagering on harness racing, whether they be losing punters or winning punters! Their current policy of killing off losing punters so that their yield is better is totslly flawed! The flow on effect from this is one of the reasons that harness is going to continue to slide, whether they appreciate this or not? The truth of the matter is that there really does not seem to be anything of benefit coming out from the hierarchy unless I have missed it? Anyway Cromwell today which is going to provide a bit of action for us all! Good punting everyone! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 hour ago, Shad said: Dont know about those misconceived strategies, but many of the picnic meetings I've been to it's a once or twice a year outing for many locals and visitors alike. Sure it maybe a once a year outing to the races but it doesn't mean they only bet once a year. No doubt the have a bet Melbourne Cup Day and Cup week. So that's at least 3 times a year. The once a year outing to the races gives them and their families a chance to reconnect with what the game is all about - the horses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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