Not sure I'd pay $2m+ for a yearling Filly!

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Not rare at all.Ever been to the sales?

I remember Big Dave paying $2million for the best colt he had ever seen.....Saperavi=a dud.

In those days he could be relied on to buy Pencarrows top yearlings and syndicate them.Had a good thing going.

Bromley bloodstock could tell you a few stories about the ups and downs of 'dealing' bloodstock.You have to learn..fast.

Proof?

[Chief Stipe]

5 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Bromley bloodstock could tell you a few stories about the ups and downs of 'dealing' bloodstock.You have to learn..fast.

Investing in Commercial Property and them Bloodstock would be a challenge for most.

[holy ravioli]

Just now, Chief Stipe said:

Proof?

Easily found.At the time people were amazed....a Stravinsky colt for 2mil.

[Chief Stipe]

1 minute ago, holy ravioli said:

Easily found.At the time people were amazed....a Stravinsky colt for 2mil.

I said rare - you inferred often.  How many years are you going back?

So who bought Princess Coup?

[holy ravioli]

Just now, Chief Stipe said:

Investing in Commercial Property and them Bloodstock would be a challenge for most.

He did well...trucking amongst other biz.

Took Big Dave to court to get Princess Coup sold at auction in OZ.

Smart guy,they wanted it to sell at Karaka.😉

[holy ravioli]

1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said:

I said rare - you inferred often.

So who bought Princess Coup?

Bromley got Big Dave to bid.Clive Harper pinpointed it for him.Bromley only wanted to go to 175,000.Ray Coupland came in with him.

[Chief Stipe]

2 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

He did well...trucking amongst other biz.

Took Big Dave to court to get Princess Coup sold at auction in OZ.

Smart guy,they wanted it to sell at Karaka.😉

Really?  You have zero idea what happened and why.  Who was Bromley's first horse?

Or more importantly how many of Bromley's few good horses did he actually select?

 

[Chief Stipe]

But back to the Topic.  Coolmore own zero % of the Avantage filly.

[holy ravioli]

8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Really?  You have zero idea what happened and why.  Who was Bromley's first horse?

Or more importantly how many of Bromley's few good horses did he actually select?

 

Your google eyes must be rolling out of their sockets.

Bromley consulted expert breeding brains to select yearlings for him.

I think his first was a Shinko King filly.

[Chief Stipe]

3 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Your google eyes must be rolling out of their sockets.

Bromley consulted expert breeding brains to select yearlings for him.

I think his first was a Shinko King filly.

But how many was he the major share holder in?

He bought quite a few duds.  Actually more duds than good ones.  His best two were bought by Ellis.

His first horse was Madame Shinko and he wasn't a majority share holder.  I doubt any "breeding expert" would have selected her being out of a Lanfranco mare.

[holy ravioli]

1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said:

But how many was he the major share holder in?

He bought quite a few duds.

His first horse was Madame Shinko and he wasn't a majority share holder.  I doubt any "breeding expert" would have selected her being out of a Lanfranco mare.

Funny guy.The first investment revved him up.As I said he knew his own limitations and got the experts in when he spent serious money.

Guess how many duds BIG Dave has bought.

Last ROI I saw had him a huge deficit.

[Chief Stipe]

6 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Funny guy.The first investment revved him up.As I said he knew his own limitations and got the experts in when he spent serious money.

Guess how many duds BIG Dave has bought.

Last ROI I saw had him a huge deficit.

Ellis is running close to 20% stakes winners from the Magic Millions.  No one else is close.

However Coolmore own zero % of the Avantage filly.

What was Bromley's ROI?

[Huey]

You'd have to be a fan boy like CS or super naive to think this was all legit.

[Shad]

Didn't the have one called lethal that was a top priced yearling, don't think It won a race, but that's horses.

[curious]

Hmmm..Coolmore and Dave seem to be very cosy and the former have a long history of "supporting" buyers/agents to pay big money to spruik their their stock. Who was the underbidder?

[Chief Stipe]

8 hours ago, Huey said:

You'd have to be a fan boy like CS or super naive to think this was all legit.

Says the permanently cynical tall poppy slayer with an anti-Matamata bias.

[holy ravioli]

20 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Says the permanently cynical tall poppy slayer with an anti-Matamata bias.

You are welcome to be a fawning sycophant,just try not to be a naive...one.😃

[Chief Stipe]

16 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

You are welcome to be a fawning sycophant,just try not to be a naive...one.😃

I've said it many times before I've never been a sycophant to anyone (anyone who knows me will attest to that) and as for naivety with regard to racing I lost that decades ago.  

Now you keep kneeling at your altar of socialism and think bitter thoughts.

[holy ravioli]

4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I've said it many times before I've never been a sycophant to anyone (anyone who knows me will attest to that) and as for naivety with regard to racing I lost that decades ago.  

Now you keep kneeling at your altar of socialism and think bitter thoughts.

Around 20% of your threads involve directly or indirectly...BIG Dave and or TA Racing.

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Around 20% of your threads involve directly or indirectly...BIG Dave and or TA Racing.

Assuming by indirectly you mean the likes of my Imperatriz posts?  Are you suggesting we shouldn't comment on the best sprinter in OZ/NZ that happens to be trained by a New Zealander?  BTW she was bought at the Magic Millions sale which the likes of @Joe Bloggs attests is a second rate sale.

 

Only 20%?  Geez I'll have to try harder.  Jokes aside is it all that surprising when they win about 20% of the NZ black type races.

BTW what % of your posts are on the same topic?  You must have that figure at your fingertips since you appear to be keeping a tally.

[Chief Stipe]

5 hours ago, curious said:

Hmmm..Coolmore and Dave seem to be very cosy and the former have a long history of "supporting" buyers/agents to pay big money to spruik their their stock. Who was the underbidder?

Widely published that it was Yulong.  

[Huey]

Coolmore bought Avantage from DE, DE buys her first foal . Nothing to see here.

By a Stallion that is being hugely spruiked down under, imo unlikely to get the Aus type 2yo that market requires , the toughest area for any Sire to break into the Aus 2yo arena.

In the photos she actually looks a bit small and like she will need a bit of time, but  I don't have the amazing eye of DE he said she was the only "A" rated filly in the sale.

MB & Avantage you can't take their NZ G1 form seriously , be lucky if it translated into an Aus G3. Unlike Imperatriz who has to be the best horse they have ever trained.

[Chief Stipe]

47 minutes ago, Huey said:

By a Stallion that is being hugely spruiked down under, imo unlikely to get the Aus type 2yo that market requires , the toughest area for any Sire to break into the Aus 2yo arena.

Won 5 as a 2yr old.  

47 minutes ago, Huey said:

In the photos she actually looks a bit small and like she will need a bit of time,

Compact - similar to her mother who was a precocious 2yr old winning Karaka.  

48 minutes ago, Huey said:

MB & Avantage you can't take their NZ G1 form seriously , be lucky if it translated into an Aus G3. Unlike Imperatriz who has to be the best horse they have ever trained.

Avantage did win a G3 at Rosehill and wasn’t that far away from winning the Arrowfield.

I'm guessing they can see a lot of Avantage in her and the target is the Magic Millions in a years time.

[Huey]

4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Won 5 as a 2yr old.  

Compact - similar to her mother who was a precocious 2yr old winning Karaka.  

Avantage did win a G3 at Rosehill and wasn’t that far away from winning the Arrowfield.

I'm guessing they can see a lot of Avantage in her and the target is the Magic Millions in a years time.

Won 5 NZ 2yo races , a huge difference to winning decent 2yo races in Aus. by a Sire not generally known for getting top Aus 2yo types, 2 of his better 2yos did it in the considerably weaker NZ scene (Avantage & Heroic Valour).

For any owners sake I hope they can see plenty more that just the mother in her at that price.

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, Huey said:

Won 5 NZ 2yo races

Still won 5 two year old races.  Not many do that anywhere.

Isn't Fastnet Rock proving himself as a broodmare sire?

2 hours ago, Huey said:

For any owners sake I hope they can see plenty more that just the mother in her at that price.

It helps.  But they've also chosen her on type and conformation.