Brodie Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) I see that young Carter Dalgety and others have purchased Woodlea Jewel off Tom Twidle fairly recently! It is having its first start for them today at Nelson in race 4 over 2400 metres. Now it is as low a rating as you can have and being in the Cran Dalgety barn now, you would think it would be improved! However, not sure who would be backing it into $1.90 from 2.40 or somewhere around that? It has shown plenty if speed previously but also that it was pretty weak as well! Maybe it comes out and bolts in but Brodie isnt convinced that it will even though it has the favourable draw of 2! I am not in the know on how it is going but personally reckon it would have to be improved a helluva lot from its run on the 4th January where it was a pretty average trial, and on that $1.90 is massive unders today but I am here to be corrected? Edited January 12 by Brodie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Brodie said: I see that young Carter Dalgety and others have purchased Woodlea Jewel off Tom Twidle fairly recently! It is having its first start for them today at Nelson in race 4 over 2400 metres. Now it is as low a rating as you can have and being in the Cran Dalgety barn now, you would think it would be improved! However, not sure who would be backing it into $1.90 from 2.40 or somewhere around that? It has shown plenty if speed previously but also that it was pretty weak as well! Maybe it comes out and bolts in but Brodie isnt convinced that it will even though it has the favourable draw of 2! I am not in the know on how it is going but personally reckon it would have to be improved a helluva lot from its run on the 4th January where it was a pretty average trial, and on that $1.90 is massive unders today but I am here to be corrected? I agree Brodie. Far too short for me but horses can make a monkey out of us. Not a strong field. Is drawn well so may get an easy uncontested lead and that be all she wrote. I wasn't overly impressed with her trial run. Will watch closely. Maybe this is a very good example of "follow the money trail" Cran has another one racing that is beautifully bred out of Adore Me. "Named All You Need Is Me" She's at 3's. Won a trial but didn't win it in a manner that says thanks for coming first up. Twista at 6's seems better value but both will probably come out now and win by a cricket pitch Edited January 12 by Walt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatchcock Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 It's a shocking field ... if you think she's not $1.90 then point out the horses that are over the odds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Brodie said: I see that young Carter Dalgety and others have purchased Woodlea Jewel off Tom Twidle fairly recently! It is having its first start for them today at Nelson in race 4 over 2400 metres. Now it is as low a rating as you can have and being in the Cran Dalgety barn now, you would think it would be improved! However, not sure who would be backing it into $1.90 from 2.40 or somewhere around that? It has shown plenty if speed previously but also that it was pretty weak as well! Maybe it comes out and bolts in but Brodie isnt convinced that it will even though it has the favourable draw of 2! I am not in the know on how it is going but personally reckon it would have to be improved a helluva lot from its run on the 4th January where it was a pretty average trial, and on that $1.90 is massive unders today but I am here to be corrected? somthing wrong with nearly doubling your money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Brodie said: I see that young Carter Dalgety and others have purchased Woodlea Jewel off Tom Twidle fairly recently! It is having its first start for them today at Nelson in race 4 over 2400 metres. Now it is as low a rating as you can have and being in the Cran Dalgety barn now, you would think it would be improved! However, not sure who would be backing it into $1.90 from 2.40 or somewhere around that? It has shown plenty if speed previously but also that it was pretty weak as well! Maybe it comes out and bolts in but Brodie isnt convinced that it will even though it has the favourable draw of 2! I am not in the know on how it is going but personally reckon it would have to be improved a helluva lot from its run on the 4th January where it was a pretty average trial, and on that $1.90 is massive unders today but I am here to be corrected? Should be the leader in the race on a leaders bias track. Wouldn't have to improve much to win this. Fergalicious looks the obvious danger in the trail. Old Oak Emma and Robbie Close might have the speed to cross early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Spatchcock said: It's a shocking field ... if you think she's not $1.90 then point out the horses that are over the odds? There are better chances than that! SpatchCock, go for it if you think that it is worth the risk! There was a far better opportunity, but if you think you will make money backing $2 favourites then good on you! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Spatchcock said: It's a shocking field ... if you think she's not $1.90 then point out the horses that are over the odds? Would you be on it the way it went in its trial? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Would you be on it the way it went in its trial? Maybe all the new owners had $10 on 😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Just buy the horses Brodie says are not that good and you would make a fortune. Running out of fingers to count them all now 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 7 minutes ago, Nowornever said: Just buy the horses Brodie says are not that good and you would make a fortune. Running out of fingers to count them all now 🤣 Lol no money in racing them! Yes it won well enough against poor lot, but it isnt going far! Point was, it was unders the way it trialled when Carter didnt drive it! Just shows us all just how good Carter Dalgety is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 3 hours ago, Walt said: I agree Brodie. Far too short for me but horses can make a monkey out of us. Not a strong field. Is drawn well so may get an easy uncontested lead and that be all she wrote. I wasn't overly impressed with her trial run. Will watch closely. Maybe this is a very good example of "follow the money trail" Cran has another one racing that is beautifully bred out of Adore Me. "Named All You Need Is Me" She's at 3's. Won a trial but didn't win it in a manner that says thanks for coming first up. Twista at 6's seems better value but both will probably come out now and win by a cricket pitch Busy wiping the egg off my face Brodie. My wife backed both of them so WTF would I know 🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Walt said: Busy wiping the egg off my face Brodie. My wife backed both of them so WTF would I know 🤣 No egg at all Walt. The horse won well enough, yes it won but backing horses at evens is a sure fire way of losing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 On 1/12/2024 at 11:00 AM, Brodie said: I see that young Carter Dalgety and others have purchased Woodlea Jewel off Tom Twidle fairly recently! It is having its first start for them today at Nelson in race 4 over 2400 metres. Now it is as low a rating as you can have and being in the Cran Dalgety barn now, you would think it would be improved! However, not sure who would be backing it into $1.90 from 2.40 or somewhere around that? It has shown plenty if speed previously but also that it was pretty weak as well! Maybe it comes out and bolts in but Brodie isnt convinced that it will even though it has the favourable draw of 2! I am not in the know on how it is going but personally reckon it would have to be improved a helluva lot from its run on the 4th January where it was a pretty average trial, and on that $1.90 is massive unders today but I am here to be corrected? No faith in the new superstar father mother son combo.they could go better than when dd was there until carter goes to USA.i hope the get more horses of average or overrated trainers.telfers barn is ripe for the pickings just ask Grimson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 Good money for it today, bolted in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 14 Author Share Posted January 14 Thing that stands out with the horse is just how much racier it looks than how it used to look previously! Dalgety’s are excellent trainers and deserve success! Dont think they normally campaign as many horses at Nelson as they have this year? Mile racing in NZ has to go!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paleface adios Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 1/12/2024 at 3:24 PM, Brodie said: Would you be on it the way it went in its trial? no stake money at trials 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walt Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 I've watched the mare go around for three seasons. Always regarded her as speedy but usually needing favours to win. Her run at Rangiora in late November behind Krystal Delight was fairly typical of her. Bowled along nicely in front, looked likely and then fell in a hole. When I saw her lining up at Nelson I went to view her trial. I've been watching trials for decades and feel I can read them fairly well. That was not the case with Woodlea Jewel. I thought her trial was just ok but not an indication the horse had grown another leg and found several lengths. She dominated on both days at Nelson. The money trail said that would unfold but to my eye the $1.90 on Friday was too short. I saw her as a 7-2 or 4-1 chance. A definite contender but not an even money fav. Gambling is all about making calls but for whatever reason, we get some or even many of those calls wrong. Happy to own that. We know changing stable environment can work a treat. A typical example would be horses changing to beach work. The way Woodlea Jewel won on both days she has more success to come. Higher grade = faster times. Had she been capable of that in December we would have seen it as she would have been winning by good margins. I'm assuming Tom had her weight and fitness level at a certain range. Cran must have completed a reset. He's a very good trainer. She'll make a broodmare of value when her time comes. Even more so if she can snare the right race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Walt said: I've watched the mare go around for three seasons. Always regarded her as speedy but usually needing favours to win. Her run at Rangiora in late November behind Krystal Delight was fairly typical of her. Bowled along nicely in front, looked likely and then fell in a hole. When I saw her lining up at Nelson I went to view her trial. I've been watching trials for decades and feel I can read them fairly well. That was not the case with Woodlea Jewel. I thought her trial was just ok but not an indication the horse had grown another leg and found several lengths. She dominated on both days at Nelson. The money trail said that would unfold but to my eye the $1.90 on Friday was too short. I saw her as a 7-2 or 4-1 chance. A definite contender but not an even money fav. Gambling is all about making calls but for whatever reason, we get some or even many of those calls wrong. Happy to own that. We know changing stable environment can work a treat. A typical example would be horses changing to beach work. The way Woodlea Jewel won on both days she has more success to come. Higher grade = faster times. Had she been capable of that in December we would have seen it as she would have been winning by good margins. I'm assuming Tom had her weight and fitness level at a certain range. Cran must have completed a reset. He's a very good trainer. She'll make a broodmare of value when her time comes. Even more so if she can snare the right race. My 2 cents worth would be i have backed woodlea jewel at times,based on one off nice runs,even just prior to her transferring to the dalgety barn,but every time i do, i end up thinking why did i do that. To me she a horse with ability that lacks enthusiasm for winning and in a lot of ways would much rather go for a sunday stroll around the track than race. Time and time again she has been driven very hard to make her take the lead when she just prefers to prick her ears and say to the driver,settle down mate,i'm enjoying the scenery. that was again evident when she won on the first day,but i guess like any horse,enjoyed winning and that probably helped motivate her to do it again yesterday. Also i don't take much notice of how the dalgety horses run at the trials as they are one of a handful of stables that in my opinion seem to go better on raceday. Probably the best stable to completely ignore trials wise is the alistar black stable in southland. For years now they improve an awful lot from the trials the week before a race compared to there raceday runs. I often wonder whether thats a plan or whether they just don't run for him when he drives them at the trials. Also you mentioned blue chip rock earlier. That horse has been heavily supported its last 4 runs and really has gone awful every time. People are backing it on its previous form which i agree was very good.4 starts ago it ran like it had something wrong with it the last 600m. Then next start it ran last. It did get a flat tyre that day but the reason for that was because it stopped quickly. Then both days at nelson it just didn't want to compete. Hopefully they can sort it out,but i'm surprised it hasn't been ordered to trial given its recent races. Edited January 14 by the galah 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 13 hours ago, Brodie said: Thing that stands out with the horse is just how much racier it looks than how it used to look previously! Dalgety’s are excellent trainers and deserve success! Dont think they normally campaign as many horses at Nelson as they have this year? Mile racing in NZ has to go!!! Dalgetys are very good for sure and their son has now developed a reputation for liking to dictate in front and other drivers seem quite happy to give the lead up to him,and its part of the success of that stable. I often think having the right drivers working for a stable helps install in the horses the mental alertness that is required for a horse to succeed at the races. Many horses have that naturally,but having someone driving them at home that can assist them getting to the races in the right frame of mind obviously helps. I agree with you about the mile racing brodie. I would rather they race over further as over the short distance racing,the first 200m and where you end up decides whether you have a chance or not at the finish.But there is always a winner,no matter what the distance and its just a matter of picking them. Edited January 14 by the galah 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 (edited) 51 minutes ago, the galah said: Also i don't take much notice of how the dalgety horses run at the trials as they are one of a handful of stables that in my opinion seem to go better on raceday. Part of what i mean by that is they sometimes run their horses at the trials without the same gear that they use to switch them on come rasceday.E.g. sliding blinds not used at its trial..I think that was the case with woodlea jewel . Edited January 14 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 15 Author Share Posted January 15 As Brodie initially stated and Walt has agreed with, there is no way on earth Woodlea Jewel could win both days at Nelson, the way it went the week before at the Rangiora trials when not driven by Carter! One week it improved by many lengths! We are very lucky to be able to watch replays of most trials in Nz! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 15 Share Posted January 15 21 minutes ago, Brodie said: As Brodie initially stated and Walt has agreed with, there is no way on earth Woodlea Jewel could win both days at Nelson A bit disappointing Brodie 'Not On The Money' again. 😉😎 Don't beat yourself up too much mate , not picking that one.. the horse is no superstar. Completely off the bit getting to the lead a lap out on the Friday , last 1/2 mile 59.2 , against such poor ones they were strung out like browns cows even going that speed. And on Sunday drew so well and trailed the leader . didn't even have to come around the leader up the straight , home in 59.6 last half . very slow lot .. Only the Wilson House horse making good ground for 3rd was the only horse going any quicker. and they only gone a mile lol. (even the maidens in the mile, got home in 58 seconds earlier) . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatchcock Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 On 12/01/2024 at 1:00 PM, Brodie said: I see that young Carter Dalgety and others have purchased Woodlea Jewel off Tom Twidle fairly recently! It is having its first start for them today at Nelson in race 4 over 2400 metres. Now it is as low a rating as you can have and being in the Cran Dalgety barn now, you would think it would be improved! However, not sure who would be backing it into $1.90 from 2.40 or somewhere around that? It has shown plenty if speed previously but also that it was pretty weak as well! Maybe it comes out and bolts in but Brodie isnt convinced that it will even though it has the favourable draw of 2! I am not in the know on how it is going but personally reckon it would have to be improved a helluva lot from its run on the 4th January where it was a pretty average trial, and on that $1.90 is massive unders today but I am here to be corrected? 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 28 Author Share Posted January 28 3 hours ago, Spatchcock said: 😆 Just shows doesn’t it Spatchcock? How the bigger stables can improve a horse and not show them up fully at trials there are heaps of horses that could be so much better if they were in better stables and had decent drivers aboard! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 28 Share Posted January 28 17 minutes ago, Brodie said: Just shows doesn’t it Spatchcock? How the bigger stables can improve a horse and not show them up fully at trials there are heaps of horses that could be so much better if they were in better stables and had decent drivers aboard! Grimson is a case in point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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