Freda Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 9 hours ago, Special Agent said: Who is claiming to know everyone and everything? I must say though I am disppointed, given how well you know her, at your dissing of Freda. Sticks and stones, plenty more in life to be concerned about, than comments from a former jockey. I've observed many jockeys over the years, good, bad, all sorts. Of all, one of the best we've ever seen, CWJ, stands out for not just his consummate skill but his empathy for his mounts and his genuine love for the animal...the animal that, over millennia, has pulled our carts, ploughed our fields, died in the battlefield, carefully carried children and the disabled, and run its guts out for no good reason other than we ask it of them. Some others, also very good jockeys, show their class as humans by smashing their mounts over the head and/or ripping the bit through their teeth when annoyed or having difficulties. So a critique, however minor from a 'jockey' who thinks horses cheat is nothing to be bothered about. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 2 hours ago, Freda said: plenty more in life to be concerned about, than comments from a former jockey. Haven't you been espousing (here and elsewhere) the fact that your partner was a former jockey??? A well heeled gentleman came to me for advice not that long ago. He'd been offered shares in a horse to be trained by you. My advice to him was that although she'd been in the game a long time, she wouldn't know whether a horse was any good or not ! Regardless of the sanctimonious nonsense dictated above, you've used horses to obtain a living for close to fifty years. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Many top trainers have been fooled by a 'morning glory' or let down badly by a horse they rated....equally, some have been surprised to see the ugly duckling blossom into a superior performer. Opinion and assessment are subjective - and like arseholes, we all have one. If the well-heeled gentleman took yours at face value without bothering to involve me in his decision, it's just as well we never met. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, billy connolly said: Haven't you been espousing (here and elsewhere) the fact that your partner was a former jockey??? A well heeled gentleman came to me for advice not that long ago. He'd been offered shares in a horse to be trained by you. My advice to him was that although she'd been in the game a long time, she wouldn't know whether a horse was any good or not ! Regardless of the sanctimonious nonsense dictated above, you've used horses to obtain a living for close to fifty years. The sanctimonious and disparaging comment about Freda that you make above suggests that you must be or have been a very successful trainer. Perhaps you would let us know some of your successes that establish your credibility to offer such critique? Or, are you just another of those that you refer to who claim to know everyone and everything but actually know very little? I'm leaning towards the latter conclusion to date. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, billy connolly said: A well heeled gentleman came to me for advice not that long ago. Bully for you. You know someone with money. That will not enrich your personality nor take that massive chip off your shoulder. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 19 minutes ago, curious said: The sanctimonious and disparaging comment about Freda that you make above suggests that you must be or have been a very successful trainer. Perhaps you would let us know some of your successes that establish your credibility to offer such critique? Or, are you just another of those that you refer to who claim to know everyone and everything but actually know very little? I'm leaning towards the latter conclusion to date. Curious, we've all known the Jimmy Tomkinson's, Noel Eales's and Ray Verner's of this world. Successful trainers do not talk with such venom. That is the work of a failure or a wannabe. Freda is right. There are much more important parts to life on earth, which is a very short time to boot. We can all have a far more pleasant experience conversing with those on a similar wave length, rather than with a stunted and inferior version of a former top class comedian, because the billy connolly on here isn't even funny. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 16 minutes ago, Special Agent said: Curious, we've all known the Jimmy Tomkinson's, Noel Eales's and Ray Verner's of this world. Successful trainers do not talk with such venom. That is the work of a failure or a wannabe. Freda is right. There are much more important parts to life on earth, which is a very short time to boot. We can all have a far more pleasant experience conversing with those on a similar wave length, rather than with a stunted and inferior version of a former top class comedian, because the billy connolly on here isn't even funny. Now that post IS funny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) So two winning whip CHEATERS at Trentham...Sam Weatherley in the last..got five days Tegan Newman...$1200 fine... Both 60% over before the 100m mark...enabling progress when others were obeying the rules ok? Remember...whip v non whip analysis in Britain showed whipped horses run faster...who knew? And then there's the unnecessary and cruel practise of FLANK whipping...NZTR signed up to banning it...then reneged A constant abuser of flank whipping among many others..Joe Doyle pictured on Saturday Note the contact of the non padded polymer digging into the highly sensitive skin in that area Edited March 19 by Thomass 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 The rules are the problem. Can't do this, can't do that but yes as long as you don't do this and then you can do that but not twice past this point. Then if the jockey has three consecutive strikes instead of one, no strike on next stride, then one again, imagine the uproar if the horse is DQ because a jockey used the whip 3 times instead of twice. So advantage to the clever cheats. And do you think NZTR have either the intelligence or the guts tidy this mess up? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 I see Joe Doyle got his 100th NZ winner on board. Congrats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 hour ago, Thomass said: And then there's the unnecessary and cruel practise of FLANK whipping... Geez you must have a sad life trawling through video footage like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 5 hours ago, Thomass said: Note the contact of the non padded polymer digging into the highly sensitive skin in that area I don't think the action of the mechanical horses is helping young riders practice with the whip. The mechanical horse goes up and down compared to the real thing. The shot above looks like a mechanical horse induced whip action. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 2 hours ago, Special Agent said: I don't think the action of the mechanical horses is helping young riders practice with the whip. The mechanical horse goes up and down compared to the real thing. The shot above looks like a mechanical horse induced whip action. But you don't know if @Thomass got Princess Kate to photoshop the shot! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 13 hours ago, Special Agent said: I don't think the action of the mechanical horses is helping young riders practice with the whip. The mechanical horse goes up and down compared to the real thing. The shot above looks like a mechanical horse induced whip action. You maybe right? The British Racing Assoc. relented on their backhand only rule where this action enabled more strikes to the flank/ribs... Also women jockeys have shorter arms on average...watch Lisa Allpress..a classic flank striker... Craig Grylls is another ... However...what the RIB and NZTR are turning a blind eye to is the constant flicking the flank after a strike... Sam Spratt has perfected it so well under the new rules that her strike rate has improved markedly...ask Stephen Hunt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: But you don't know if @Thomass got Princess Kate to photoshop the shot! I'm technically illiterate so #yeana It was on Weigh In and moi simply screen shot it... Here's another massive whip violation in last years Wellington Steeples...with WELTS...courtesy of Shaun Fannin.. Fined only for 'over the shoulder' I asked the RIB "do you routinely look for welts after observing hard over the shoulder strikes"? Answer #yeana In fact in this instance they said "the vet was too busy to look" I asked "are the stipes without cameras and cant decide for themselves if a welt is a welt"? FFS...look and weep Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 Photo shopped whip porn courtesy of @Thomass! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: Photo shopped whip porn courtesy of @Thomass! Please stop this incessant trolling As I said I'm too dumb and technically too thick to have the 'smarts' enough to do a Kate.. In factit appears one gets into deep shit if one does.. plus I despise deep fake and deep shit...ok dipshit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 4 minutes ago, Thomass said: Please stop this incessant trolling As I said I'm too dumb and technically too thick to have the 'smarts' enough to do a Kate.. In factit appears one gets into deep shit if one does.. plus I despise deep fake and deep shit...ok dipshit? You're a fake and a flake Thomass. As for trolling - it's OK for you to troll the forum with your BS but not OK for anyone to call you out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 18 minutes ago, Thomass said: Here's another massive whip violation You gotta get em moving Thomass mate . Bit of Aussie training . (luv your work Hugh 🥰) And a Bit of quiet Thomass Nz training 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 And then Jockeys 'accidently on purpose' use the edge of the flap...making serious progress through the skin and into the muscle... ...this time Mike McNab...the entire straight he used the edge in this instance Rule "jockeys must NOT use the edge of the flap" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 @Thomass unless you have solid proof of what you allege please stop posting pixelated shots of your TV replays taken while sitting in your PJ's. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 The pics look like pretty solid proof to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 Just now, curious said: The pics look like pretty solid proof to me. Of what? The last TV screen shot is so pixelated it doesn't show much at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 19 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Photo shopped whip porn courtesy of @Thomass! I have a real photo of that sort of thing... delivered by one of the strongest whip riders ever... MC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted March 20 Author Share Posted March 20 Maurice Campbell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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