Wingman Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 An urgent lunchtime meeting has been called to discuss the spelling of vital bullytins whilst enjoying their vittles 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 On 5/28/2024 at 7:56 AM, Doomed said: It's good to see clubs concerned enough to get some coverage in main stream media, but his comments are a bit random. He is concerned about not getting public holiday dates but there seems to be a reluctance for clubs to race on public holidays anyhow. Also, Wingatui gets Boxing day and Riverton New Years Day and Easter. Wingatui also gets Melbourne Cup day, which is almost a holiday, certainly a big punting day. I suppose a bit of media interest is a start anyhow. I often wonder if the Southland Racing club has a commitee of only one as Sean Bellew is the only one we hear from or about. I don't think Southern clubs get too bad a deal, they do have limited numbers and only 3 tracks, the tracks don't get the shit beaten out of them by racing constantly all year round, its ok having a few feature days to attract people and true they have few good days but nterestingly all the harness run of the mill days have moved or are being moved from Saturdays to those shit days as he calls it, why would that be? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 (edited) I will add is moving many of the Southern harness to Thursdays better or worse, if it's to increase turnover that theory is contradicted by cramming up Sundays with more meetings, so many mixed messages since Entain came to town. One wonders though if Ascot Park would be interested in becoming the third club on Saturdays by racing twilight meetings through some of the summer months, seems two Saturday gallops meet in NZ seems to be the norm during the day but why not another later in the day? Or maybe punters have had their fix by six o clock. Edited May 28 by mikeynz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted May 28 Share Posted May 28 Bellew was blunt but so was Sharrock's response. He could have said something along the lines you have just posted, i.e. Don't agree, think they get a reasonable deal etc. But no, he said "happy to talk about how the thoroughbred industry contributes to the economy but if Sean (Bellew) wants to have a crack about micro industry issues, that's separate". That for mine sums up the leadership/mentality of the current executive, arrogant and out of touch. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 3 hours ago, Wingman said: Bellew was blunt but so was Sharrock's response. He could have said something That for mine sums up the leadership/mentality of the current executive, arrogant and out of touch. Well we all know that, don't worry Imperatriz sold for 6.6m , nzracing on fire! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 4 hours ago, mikeynz said: I often wonder if the Southland Racing club has a commitee of only one as Sean Bellew is the only one we hear from or about. The people down their are V Conservative, generally they don't trust the media! Their normal approach is to internalise and mull over. Compare and contrast that with Sean, a rather gregarious fella! He has good relations with the local community and media down there! He not be afraid to stick his head above the trenches! They be lucky to have him! I bet on their bank balance be a lot healthier than most clubs! More power to him I say! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 4 hours ago, Wingman said: That for mine sums up the leadership/mentality of the current executive, arrogant and out of touch. tick! To me, its how leaderships acts when after many years of alienating key players! They more and more play the game of 'procedural politics', slowly over time the costs of speaking up gets heavier and heavier! I could continue on this vain... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 9 hours ago, Wingman said: Bellew was blunt but so was Sharrock's response. He could have said something along the lines you have just posted, i.e. Don't agree, think they get a reasonable deal etc. But no, he said "happy to talk about how the thoroughbred industry contributes to the economy but if Sean (Bellew) wants to have a crack about micro industry issues, that's separate". That for mine sums up the leadership/mentality of the current executive, arrogant and out of touch. Not sure leadership is the right word to use there. They possibly motivate Ellerslie, a few of the bigger breeders and syndicators, and the top 2 or 3 trainers. “The action of leading a group of people or an organisation.” That's how the Oxford Dictionary defines leadership. In simple words, leadership is about taking risks and challenging the status quo. Leaders motivate others to achieve something new and better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 CEO, General, Captain, or old school Managing Director, you are by definition a leader although that does not mean one is really one. Referring to your comments (Doomed) in 'When will AWT take off' re this weekend field sizes, this/you astutely takes aim at the heart of the racing industries potentially fatal problems. A calendar on its last legs being propped up by a weakening handicap system, relying on weary tracks. Enjoy the sunset, can be brilliant. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 On 5/28/2024 at 1:45 PM, Chief Stipe said: Damn and here I was being so vain to think NZTR read BOAY. One week later: Maybe contact them direct Chief.......and not to appear too picky point out some of the glaring errors in the latest report re the Economic impact of racing in NZ . You regularly ask me if I even read reports eg The Messara report , I wouldn't be so smug to ask you the same in regard this one. I'd assume they would be relying on Clubs to provide a lot of figures so unsure how accurate they would be and how co-operative they would be..Maybe run a competition to see how many errors posters can pick out ......I'll send you some BGP sox and an nice BGP polo shirt as a prize ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 13 hours ago, Wingman said: Bellew was blunt but so was Sharrock's response. He could have said something along the lines you have just posted, i.e. Don't agree, think they get a reasonable deal etc. But no, he said "happy to talk about how the thoroughbred industry contributes to the economy but if Sean (Bellew) wants to have a crack about micro industry issues, that's separate". That for mine sums up the leadership/mentality of the current executive, arrogant and out of touch. Sharrock's quote , a few words probably taken out of context from a much longer answer seemed OK , If I was CEO I wouldn't be impressed by negative publicity which is highly questionable IMO. Bellew actually was quite positive about some of the things NZTR are doing of late.....his moan about dates etc was a bit of an over reaction and not supported by facts . As Doomed points out Southern racing actually does pretty well with a number of good dates. On top of that Southland one of the few areas of NZ where Gallops goes neck and neck with Harness. Harness numbers are better overall so when discussing dates this needs looking at in tandem. Then its not as if Southland has never been strong in Gallops , used to have the best owners,best trainers , best jockeys and top stallions so the history of how it shrunk and the drift North could be the subject of a long essay. Back in the day when the whole place was shrinking and they elected the JAFA Tim Shadbolt as mayor despite the surprise of the decision he saved the place.It was losing 1000 people a year ! Sport picked up , facilities picked up ,the Licensing Trust ruled supreme ,there is plenty of money still there , the Dennis Brothers still there and all three codes still surviving ! Bad luck it at bottom of world and only one sandhill away from the South Pole ! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 29 Author Share Posted May 29 7 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Maybe contact them direct Chief.......and not to appear too picky point out some of the glaring errors in the latest report re the Economic impact of racing in NZ . You regularly ask me if I even read reports eg The Messara report , I wouldn't be so smug to ask you the same in regard this one. I'd assume they would be relying on Clubs to provide a lot of figures so unsure how accurate they would be and how co-operative they would be..Maybe run a competition to see how many errors posters can pick out ......I'll send you some BGP sox and an nice BGP polo shirt as a prize ! They hired an external consultant IER to write the report. The motivation for that I'm not sure. The objectives for that I'm not sure. Can you enlighten us? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 29 Author Share Posted May 29 7 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Sharrock's quote , a few words probably taken out of context from a much longer answer seemed OK , If I was CEO I wouldn't be impressed by negative publicity which is highly questionable IMO. Bellew actually was quite positive about some of the things NZTR are doing of late.....his moan about dates etc was a bit of an over reaction and not supported by facts . As Doomed points out Southern racing actually does pretty well with a number of good dates. On top of that Southland one of the few areas of NZ where Gallops goes neck and neck with Harness. Harness numbers are better overall so when discussing dates this needs looking at in tandem. Then its not as if Southland has never been strong in Gallops , used to have the best owners,best trainers , best jockeys and top stallions so the history of how it shrunk and the drift North could be the subject of a long essay. Back in the day when the whole place was shrinking and they elected the JAFA Tim Shadbolt as mayor despite the surprise of the decision he saved the place.It was losing 1000 people a year ! Sport picked up , facilities picked up ,the Licensing Trust ruled supreme ,there is plenty of money still there , the Dennis Brothers still there and all three codes still surviving ! Bad luck it at bottom of world and only one sandhill away from the South Pole ! More of a short story than an essay. Given the absence of fact maybe you are a journalist. Of course like Sharrock you dismiss Bellews concerns with platitudes, condescension and deflection. His concerns are valid. They are issues that face the entire industry. They may well be micro but lots of micro make macro that Sharrock supposedly worries about. Unfortunately Sharrock doesn't realise that you need to make micro changes (collectively) to change the macro direction. Of course Sharrock and his predecessors know full well that those micro changes can be negative and lead to negative change. He can't have it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 29 Author Share Posted May 29 Sharrock is more disengaged from the reality of racing than any of his predecessors. At least they didn't have the money to spend that Sharrock has to burn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 8 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: and the drift North could be the subject of a long essay. Actually TAB, it could be summed up very easy in three words Core Periphery Model Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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