What's the problem?

[Brodie]

40 minutes ago, the galah said:

That last sentence.."i'm sure they're not looking at turnover".

you have to be right about that,because that is the reality.

But if the people in charge are knowingly implementing and pushing intentionally fiscally imprudent policies which are also clearly shortsighted,then they aren't the right people to be making the decisions.

So tonight they could have run a 9 horse fillies race and put the three 2 year old geldings into the last race for non winners that has 9 starters.

thats what they did at winton with the one 2 year old that was available to start in southland.(thats right only one 2 year old,since scratched, accepted for the highest stake race  programmed at winton).

Instead they split the 2 year old race tonight into 2 fields of 6.

If the current $1.65 favorite wins ,then j feiss gets an extra $8000 on top of the good stake. I'm sure that will keep her off poverty street for a bit.Its not j feiss fault that HRNZ want to throw money they can't afford at her.

Queensland is an interesting model.obviously you know a lot about that.

NZ is quite different,but their must be aspects of queenslands way of doing things that may be worth considering for nz.

My impression of queensland is they have worked out what works best for them. But it does have some negatives. They run so many races that it waters down the sense of achievement and the competiveness

Theres a mundane feeling to a lot of it and the punters feel that as well.

Its also interesting to see how popular gambling on harness is comparing it to greyhound racing.

In australia,in 2022 a study showed ,of regular gamblers,60% bet on greyhounds and 53% bet on harness racing Of those % the average betting per month per gambler was $40 on greyhounds and only $25 on harness.

so people seem more interested in the greyhounds than the harness horses in australia.

the opposite is currently the case here.

 

$40 per month on greyhounds and $25 per month per gambler on harness?

Gee you couldnt really be calling them gamblers could you if they are wagering so little?

I was under the impression that the Ozzies were big punters but clearly they arent?

How could they be only spending $25 per month, $6 per week, surely not so little?

 

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

My impression of queensland is they have worked out what works best for them. But it does have some negatives. They run so many races that it waters down the sense of achievement and the competiveness

Theres a mundane feeling to a lot of it and the punters feel that as well.

Absolutely correct. They're all just making a living out of it . (the participants on race-days) at those 2 QLD venues. The Handicapper helping them to do such by providing weekly races. This also happen at some regional centres like Mildura, Tassie (racing there much improved with Ben Yole out currently) Tamworth NSW , etc etc . I imagine the betting on those venues is VERY SMALL. like the crowds that attend.

I wouldn't bet on any of them as exactly like you say , They're going through the motions and competiveness is mild. They just run and race according to barrier draws really. 

NZ has MAssive more variety (types and classes of racing) , and plenty more Feature Racing (that I enjoy very much) you guys are obviously been spoiled greatly by not realizing the great racing month to month with many many features , and even some Aussies getting there now making it all the more exciting. In fact I see criticism time to time with The Race, Invercargill Cup, Welcome Stakes, any North Island trotting' at all 😂, and now even the Auckland Cup ? under 'Heavy BOAY artillery fire'  Instead we get the headline like this thread has ? so I was a bit awful about Doomed assessment  I guess , as as far s I could see AUckland has Many of the Best Horses currently racing in the Southern Hemisphere racing this week ( and most weeks lately) and I couldn't see why you wouldn't/ couldn't shouldn't enjoy that. The Autumn racing has been fabulous.

So yes the Mundane racing here is not worth betting on and Punters would DEFINITELY feel it , as you described , as Not exciting. Personally, I only bet for fun  and not about the money at all . trying to increase what I have already is not why I do it. I bet on friends and family and people I admire , sometimes a horse I admire, and win or lose I get some enjoyment from the contest.  

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

$40 per month on greyhounds and $25 per month per gambler on harness?

Gee you couldnt really be calling them gamblers could you if they are wagering so little?

I was under the impression that the Ozzies were big punters but clearly they arent?

How could they be only spending $25 per month, $6 per week, surely not so little?

 

Gamblers in that study,were classified as anyone who gambled on anything legal on regular basis. So that has to be taken into consideration when assessing those figures.

it included pokies,horse racing,sports,scratchies,lotteries,etc,

The australian product in 2022 that was getting the highest average  spend from someone classified as a gambler,  was gallops,i think at an average of $91 per month.

i threw the figures out there to highlight how overall,australian harness compares to australian greyhounds.They seem to have a handful of million dollar races over there for the dogs.

its hard to imagine dogs ever becoming more popular than harness in nz.

The greyhound track at addington in my opinion is a terrible on course viewing track.

Edited May 23 by the galah

[Brodie]

5 minutes ago, the galah said:

Gamblers in that study,were classified as anyone who gambled on anything legal on regular basis. So that has to be taken into consideration when assessing those figures.

it included pokies,horse racing,sports,scratchies,lotteries,etc,

The australian product in 2022 that was getting the highest average  spend from someone classified as a gambler,  was gallops,i think at an average of $91 per month.

i threw the figures out there to highlight how overall,australian harness compares to australian greyhounds.They seem to have a handful of million dollar races over there for the dogs.

its hard to imagine dogs ever becoming more popular than harness in nz.

The greyhound track at addington in my opinion is a terrible on course viewing track.

For some reason there is a train of thought by many that Greyhound racing should be ended!

Personally I dont really see the need to end it, as it us not really cruel to the dogs at all, as they all love to chase!

There are other things that should be finished a long time before greyhound racing like Climate Change Rallies, LGBT Rallies and Lefty idealogies!

[the galah]

 

40 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Absolutely correct. They're all just making a living out of it . (the participants on race-days) at those 2 QLD venues. The Handicapper helping them to do such by providing weekly races. This also happen at some regional centres like Mildura, Tassie (racing there much improved with Ben Yole out currently) Tamworth NSW , etc etc . I imagine the betting on those venues is VERY SMALL. like the crowds that attend.

I wouldn't bet on any of them as exactly like you say , They're going through the motions and competiveness is mild. They just run and race according to barrier draws really. 

NZ has MAssive more variety (types and classes of racing) , and plenty more Feature Racing (that I enjoy very much) you guys are obviously been spoiled greatly by not realizing the great racing month to month with many many features , and even some Aussies getting there now making it all the more exciting. In fact I see criticism time to time with The Race, Invercargill Cup, Welcome Stakes, any North Island trotting' at all 😂, and now even the Auckland Cup ? under 'Heavy BOAY artillery fire'  Instead we get the headline like this thread has ? so I was a bit awful about Doomed assessment  I guess , as as far s I could see AUckland has Many of the Best Horses currently racing in the Southern Hemisphere racing this week ( and most weeks lately) and I couldn't see why you wouldn't/ couldn't shouldn't enjoy that. The Autumn racing has been fabulous.

So yes the Mundane racing here is not worth betting on and Punters would DEFINITELY feel it , as you described , as Not exciting. Personally, I only bet for fun  and not about the money at all . trying to increase what I have already is not why I do it. I bet on friends and family and people I admire , sometimes a horse I admire, and win or lose I get some enjoyment from the contest.  

i think everyone enjoys seeing good horses race,whatever the age,but particularly the older horses. Your obviously in it for the love of the sport,both horses and people..

When its comes to some topics discussed on here.

theres a difference between negativity and negative reality.

i think HRNZ needs a 5 year,a 10 year plan published with detailed financial goal setting and analysis,setting up where the industry is heading and also laying the groundwork for the implementaion of the hard decisions that will need  to be made by administrators.

And its important that if we have administrators ignoring realities, then they need called out.

[Walt]

On 5/22/2024 at 9:00 AM, Shad said:

Interesting I'm sure armalight won her first race at Westport trots back in the day.

pretty sure you're right Shad. Did Lyell Creek have his first run or win on the Coast also?

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

When its comes to some topics discussed on here.

theres a difference between negativity and negative reality.

Well some things are just occuring as times progress/ change mate.  There is an excellent cohort of 'old stars' on BOAY that have great opinion . (Although would be fantastic if we could get some youngies to add to that). 

One of things commented on frequently is the small fields eventuating now in some areas. There are reasons for this . As Brodie often pointed out the 'Costs' of racing a horse a skyhigh now, and you have pointed out at times the lack of training facilities available to the new players is dwindling. A lot of places supply training facilities in Oz (like Cranbourne has done for Te Akau) to give them a good go at it. Seaton Grima and Jack Trainor and co have barns at Menangle so the club helps their future stars out a bit. (leasing them space) 

So I liked the small fields tonight , as like I said the races are easier to win that way. Your 14-18 horse fields thundering around in NZ are a thing (a good thing ) from the past . Too hard to win them now for owners trying to keep an interest . (and pay the bills) Small fields are more common all the time. They only have 8 in those doggie races afterall.  

Having 2 two-year-old races tonight you weren't a fan of, but 2 sets of happy owners is a good thing , and you are still able to get a bet on if you want. I even put a 10er on John Dunn in the first 😂 thanks to the Galah for that , making it look like John Dunn could win 2 x 2yearold races tonight instead of one. Nice work by 'Bruntie ' there. 😁👍

[Walt]

On 5/22/2024 at 12:28 PM, Doomed said:

And sat parked to win a NZ Cup if I remember correctly, which is not the normal way for NZ trained horses to win that race. In fact I can't recall another NZ trained horse that sat parked for a significant distance and won the race.

You're correct. She sat outside Watbro for most of the way in the 81 Cup and at the 600 when many would have expected her to start tiring she surged to the front and left them standing. A truly remarkable win Bob Negus or anyone who witnessed it won't forget in a hurry. 

Bonnies Chance ran a terrific race and convinced me to be on her in the 1982 Cup when she also left the field standing and resulted in my biggest ever collect off a single wager.

Had Delightful Lady beaten Hands Down in the 1980 NZ Cup three of our best mares would have won the Cup three years in a row, 

Blossom Lady and Adore Me also won the NZ Cup so it's been a race the great mares have excelled in.

Not the best filming ever but enough to impress. 

 

 

[Gammalite]

3 hours ago, Walt said:

Bonnies Chance ran a terrific race and convinced me to be on her in the 1982 Cup when she also left the field standing and resulted in my biggest ever collect off a single wager.

Had Delightful Lady beaten Hands Down in the 1980 NZ Cup three of our best mares would have won the Cup three years in a row, 

What is all this Walt? you've gone into the Springtime NZ Cup Stuff??

 and on on AUCKLAND CUP Eve  ?

With the great race on once again tomorrow night at Alexandra Park , Hope you weren't betting on your 3 mates of Bonnie's Chance , Delightful Lady and Hands Down on this occasion  . 

Let's see how they got on for a great bit of AUCKLAND Cup History. 

 

[mikeynz]

5 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

What is all this Walt? you've gone into the Springtime NZ Cup Stuff??

 and on on AUCKLAND CUP Eve  ?

With the great race on once again tomorrow night at Alexandra Park , Hope you weren't betting on your 3 mates of Bonnie's Chance , Delightful Lady and Hands Down on this occasion  . 

Let's see how they got on for a great bit of AUCKLAND Cup History. 

 

That's about the best Bonnie's Chance ever went at Auckland.

[Doomed]

The significant thing about all those old Cup races is the amazing depth in the fields. I think that is what we all miss these days, and what frustrates us so much.

And what a good commentator Reg was.