Chief Stipe Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 All-Star Mile gets G1 status www.racing.com The All-Star Mile will be run as a Group 1 in 2025. Racing Australia confirmed the race's elevation to a G1 on Wednesday afternoon, while also announcing The Everest had also gained G1 status ahead of its running next Saturday. "Following the recent agreement and adoption of the Australian Black Type Guidelines by the Racing Australia Board, a review of races under those guidelines is being conducted. As a priority, the following races have been determined to have achieved the criteria and will be recognised as a Group 1: The Everest (and) The All-Star Mile," a Racing Australia media release read. "The All Star Mile and The Everest race upgrades have been ratified internationally. Whilst these upgrades will take immediate effect, further analysis and review of all black type races is being undertaken with the expectation that further announcements will be made in the near future." The All-Star Mile has rated 118.30 (2023/2024), 117.30 (2022/2023), and 117.50 (2021/2022) in its past three runnings, while The Everest has rated 120.50 (2023/2024), 120.80 (2022/2023), 120.50 (2021/2022). Racing Victoria later released a statement in response to the announcement: "We note and welcome Racing Australia's announcement that The All-Star Mile has been upgraded to Group 1 status, a decision ratified by the Asian Racing Federation. "The All-Star Mile has surpassed the Group 1 rating benchmark of 115 in each of its six editions and thus is worthy of carrying this elite status. "This year's All-Star Mile winner Pride Of Jenni was crowned Australian Racehorse of the Year last night and superstars in Mr Brightside and Zaaki precede her on the honour roll. "With The All-Star Mile finding a new home at Flemington on Super Saturday 2025 (8 March), the race is now firmly entrenched as Victoria's premier mile race of the autumn and a key feature on the Australian racing calendar." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 So much for the best of the best. A fast track towards diminishing the breed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So much for the best of the best. A fast track towards diminishing the breed. Why? It has the performance ratings for a G1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 5 minutes ago, curious said: Why? It has the performance ratings for a G1. So the field is selected on merit? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 (edited) It's not a restricted race like the Karaka Millions. I don't see the problem or the connection as far as Group races are concerned. Edited October 9 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 I agree. They aren't sales races or restricted in any way - other than ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 4 minutes ago, Freda said: I agree. They aren't sales races or restricted in any way - other than ability. Of course they are restricted. For example the only way the best sprinter in OZ was going to race last year in The Everest was if she was sold to the slot holder!!! Ironically she was anyway but for a lot more than was being offered. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 How does the K M stack up Ratings wise so far? As ever, 'nz' G1's tremble under the gaze of International eye$. Is it vulgar to feel slightly underwhelmed by this weeks Hastings G1 Te Rapa G1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Of course they are restricted. For example the only way the best sprinter in OZ was going to race last year in The Everest was if she was sold to the slot holder!!! Ironically she was anyway but for a lot more than was being offered. Yes. Like all G1s, you don't get to run in them if the connections don't enter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 4 hours ago, Murray Fish said: How does the K M stack up Ratings wise so far? Last year. 105.25 cf. benchmark for a 2yo G1 of 108. 3yo. 109.25 cf. 3yo G1 benchmark 113. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 How about our Guineas races? Derby? On a slippery slope? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 5 hours ago, curious said: Yes. Like all G1s, you don't get to run in them if the connections don't enter. I'm surprised you and @Freda can't see the difference between The Everest and a Grp 1 that is one to the best of the best without any constraints. Many of the best sprinters are sitting on the seats at the side of the hall waiting to be INVITED to dance. They can't enter and then be selected on merit and performance relative to their peers. Waller or Godolphin may have 2 or even 3 horses better than the rest of the field but can only nominate 1 per the slot they own. @curious based on your criteria the KM races should be Group 1's. In my opinion these restricted races that restrict entry in a variety of ways are detrimental to the breed. Inevitably some very good horses miss out not because their owners choose not to start but because they are ineligible based on something other than their ability. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 4 hours ago, Freda said: How about our Guineas races? Derby? On a slippery slope? Derby 111.5 BM 113 OK 2000 Gns 109.25 BM 113 ALERT 1000 Gns 105.75 BM 109 WARNING 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 14 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Of course they are restricted. For example the only way the best sprinter in OZ was going to race last year in The Everest was if she was sold to the slot holder!!! Ironically she was anyway but for a lot more than was being offered. Exactly right an absolute joke, open to being rigged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 (edited) 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Inevitably some very good horses miss out not because their owners choose not to start but because they are ineligible based on something other than their ability. Ability of course and their owners decision are the only restrictions. The Karaka Millions are different. The best horses in the world can't run in them because of the sales restriction. Due to that, they will never achieve Group status. Edited October 9 by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 5 hours ago, Freda said: How about our Guineas races? Derby? On a slippery slope? Do you think the Sweepstake, Slot or Novelty races with restrictions are going to help those races you mention? They only serve to screw the pattern and the best that meet the criteria for the big money chase that money and the expense of those races that have no novelty restrictions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 1 minute ago, curious said: Ability of course and their owners decision are the only restrictions. But it isn't in The Everest when a ridiculous amount of money is up for grabs. Unless Joe Blog owner wants to sell their horse to a slot holder at a discount they can't get a start!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Do you think the Sweepstake, Slot or Novelty races with restrictions are going to help those races you mention? They only serve to screw the pattern and the best that meet the criteria for the big money chase that money and the expense of those races that have no novelty restrictions. Yes. Agree with that. They definitely affect the Pattern and detract from what were the major pattern races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: But it isn't in The Everest when a ridiculous amount of money is up for grabs. Unless Joe Blog owner wants to sell their horse to a slot holder at a discount they can't get a start!!! But that's it exactly. They can get a start - at a price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 14 minutes ago, curious said: But that's it exactly. They can get a start - at a price. Which from my Lincoln College AG-ECON101 days was called a non-tariff trade barrier!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 1 minute ago, Chief Stipe said: ut it isn't in The Everest when a ridiculous amount of money is up for grabs. Unless Joe Blog owner wants to sell their horse to a slot holder at a discount they can't get a start!!! they 'share' the horse for a day Chief. Not 'Sell'. That's how slot races work. People can 'enjoy ' what it's like being involved with a great horse for a day. Some of the Best in the nation (s) start in these sort of races. Everest Day is a huge success , with people having lot's of Fun . It is the races afterall. People go along to have a great day out . If they win some money well and good. 20,000 odd attend? Usually the better horses around are 'lured' by the BIG money put up as the prize. Well the syndicate Managers are anyway. Like to Increase their Profile mainly. and enjoy the day too , A bit like the slot holders. everyone Wins. so all good. Group 1 ? should be Group A1+ IMO . and Nz will have them soon and be successful like the harness boys are doing there already. Your ordinary 'JOE Blog owners' you're worried about, Never have a say on who's riding , or where the horse races, or anything like that anyway. through a horse's normal entire career. Unless you are majority shareholder (which is rare unless you're a millionaire horse racer with some 'voice' with your trainer ) If a Syndicate manager of horse can't negotiate with a Slot holder. they don't deserve a start. Sharing some loot too hard to do for some. People with money get Greedy real quick . Especially in competition like the racing game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Which from my Lincoln College AG-ECON101 days was called a non-tariff trade barrier!! Maybe, but there's one of those to get one a start in a maiden at Reefton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 25 minutes ago, Gammalite said: they 'share' the horse for a day Chief. Not 'Sell'. That's how slot races work. They don't actually @Gammalite. There was a notable example last year where the best sprinter in Australia was offered a slot by a Slot Owner but on the condition that the horse was SOLD to the Slot Owner. I'm not sure what the prize money share offered was but it certainly wasn't the full purse. Now there are numerous variations of how a horse gets into The Everest. Generally Waller, Godolphin and Coolmore have a horse good enough to start - they probably have 2 or some years more that would rank in the top 14 sprinters in Australia. They could do a deal with another Slot Owner to get another of their horses into the race. At the end of the day getting into The Everest is dictated by the big stables and big owners. The neogtiations that go on and the final deals are numerous and varied. As are the amounts that are "shared". Theorectically now that The Everest is a Grp 1 a Slot Owner could offer the owner of a mare that was the best ranked sprinter a start just for the glory of getting The Everest Grp 1 in their pedigress i.e. share NONE of the prize money. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 9 Author Share Posted October 9 39 minutes ago, curious said: Maybe, but there's one of those to get one a start in a maiden at Reefton. That went through to the keeper for me. In the good old days you could talk to the right people, get a start and the draw you wanted! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 9 Share Posted October 9 10 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: That went through to the keeper for me. In the good old days you could talk to the right people, get a start and the draw you wanted! True. That's one thing that has improved wrt fairness...although when you get a run of horror draws it doesn't seem like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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