Rangatira Posted December 7, 2018 Author Share Posted December 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: In the races so far identified where was the "hot favourite" not trying? 47 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: a owner has big bet on hot favourite that he owns and it wins so how it that race fixing??? as was best horse in the race re the ashburton race on 15 july 2018 the issue is the assistance the favourite received from another runner/driver there is also a betting issue regarding who bet on the favourite the thing to remember here is once the pre race arrangement is made it matters not whether the fave actually required that assistance or if it even wins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poisoned Dwarf Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 On 6/12/2018 at 8:57 PM, Chief Stipe said: You miss the point. Since when has the Police had a thorough understanding of harness racing? All they need to understand that if one is not trying, that is a criminal offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Poisoned Dwarf said: All they need to understand that if one is not trying, that is a criminal offence. Geez that would the third of any field on any given day! Good luck proving that. If you get a shyte draw and an equally good a horse has a better one who doesn't save their horse for another day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Well look how hard it is to prove match fixing in Cricket. If they are found innocent no doubt there will be enough for some to continue to say they were guilty. It is obvious that the RIU are test casing this. I wish they would get on with some of the easier tasks that they seem to fail with across all codes. There have been MANY cricketers banned for match fixing. How is this obviously a test case for the RIU? This is a POLICE investigation of criminal offending and charges have been brought before the NZ Courts. It is not the RIU's jurisdiction to deal with Criminal Offending. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, Brando said: There have been MANY cricketers banned for match fixing. How is this obviously a test case for the RIU? This is a POLICE investigation of criminal offending and charges have been brought before the NZ Courts. It is not the RIU's jurisdiction to deal with Criminal Offending. SOME cricketers yes (how many is it in a game where many many billions are bet?). But how many cases taken to court in New Zealand under the new law? Test Case for the RIU because previously they would have gone through the JCA process. I'd say there will be a posse of lawyers lining up on both sides to test this law. They all like a chance to get their name in lights and in precedents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: If betting trends back that up then that is there for all punters to see. What's the advantage? So driver A gives driver B the lead. Which gives A the trail. I thought that was a good posi to be in? Now B gets taken on by C and has to reluctantly hand up. Obviously C wasn't in on the deal. Nor were the other 12 drivers in the field. These prosecutions are a mine field. I'm waiting for one of the accused to do a plea bargin. I am sure not all scenarios paid off, as you said, not everyone in the race will be involved, just the crooks. But if the 2 favoured runners connections have some sort of plan together, well you have to admit, gives them a huge advantage over rival runners. By what i have been told, from reliable source, police are doing a very, very good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 12 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: In the races so far identified where was the "hot favourite" not trying? Johnny white, Where have you been? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 10 hours ago, the galah said: Johnny white, Where have you been? The race in June where it was hit late on FOB? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: The race in June where it was hit late on FOB? Also race meeting where 3 horses won, all disq later, nobody charged as per normal. Must have thought they were clever, Ooops, looking into betting and other records now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 21 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Also race meeting where 3 horses won, all disq later, nobody charged as per normal. Must have thought they were clever, Ooops, looking into betting and other records now Are you talking about the Dunn horses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 57 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Are you talking about the Dunn horses? Yep. Looking closely at betting records. A certain person did all they could for the stable, think you got abused for asking the questions. I am really happy this is all coming out, some could be cleared, but not looking good for some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 31 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Yep. Looking closely at betting records. A certain person did all they could for the stable, think you got abused for asking the questions. I am really happy this is all coming out, some could be cleared, but not looking good for some Well they were charged. Interesting the family lay advocate has gone very very quiet on the latest charges. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: The race in June where it was hit late on FOB? If that was the case then there would have been some very disillusioned and angry large punters after they watched that race. They must have been questioning whether they were better off not punting on the trots. Remember what the trackside presenter said who had labelled it as his bet of the day.... The drive was unbelievable, simply unbelievable. I guess you cant say well it looked like he did everything to not run anywhere on trackside,even if it looks obvious. . Edited December 8, 2018 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 10 minutes ago, the galah said: If that was the case then there would have been some very disillusioned and angry large punters after they watched that race. They must have been questioning whether they were better off not punting on the trots. Remember what the trackside presenter said who had labelled it as his bet of the day.... The drive was unbelievable, simply unbelievable. stipes were happy as larry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Rangatira said: stipes were happy as larry Stipes do not want to upset such high profile people and do not bet. Your right of course,they do look rather inept now when it comes to that race. I think the south island ones have upped their game since as a result Edited December 8, 2018 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, the galah said: Stipes do not want to upset such high profile people and do not bet. Your right of course,they do look rather inept now when it comes to that race. and the race after the tuapeka cup in 2016 are the stipes just tired and aware that questioning a drive will just make for more work further down the track 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 43 minutes ago, Rangatira said: and the race after the tuapeka cup in 2016 are the stipes just tired and aware that questioning a drive will just make for more work further down the track Doesn't "tiredness" come from lack of sleep or over work? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 8, 2018 Author Share Posted December 8, 2018 12 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Doesn't "tiredness" come from lack of sleep or over work? both possible contributors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Rangatira said: and the race after the tuapeka cup in 2016 are the stipes just tired and aware that questioning a drive will just make for more work further down the track Had they dunn their job that day then those involved may never have thought they would continue to get away with it,and there may never have been a need for operation inca. Edited December 9, 2018 by the galah 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Well they were charged. Interesting the family lay advocate has gone very very quiet on the latest charges. Of course he has gone quiet! Because this time POLICE SURVEILLANCE is involved ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 11 minutes ago, Brando said: Of course he has gone quiet! Because this time POLICE SURVEILLANCE is involved ? They are still presumed innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 32 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: They are still presumed innocent. Yes they are Presumed Innoncent. But I'm presuming that the Police Survellance and Investigation is going to be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 36 minutes ago, Brando said: Yes they are Presumed Innoncent. But I'm presuming that the Police Survellance and Investigation is going to be right. it is a long long time since they were batting 1.000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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