Did Kevin Stott just CHEAT??

[Thomass]

My word he did

DJOKOTA under a punishing whip drive and he slips in 2 consecutive strikes when under pressure

That worked wonders and gets up by a small margin

Whip strikes work and he wont care as long as he makes an impact as the new boy on the block

#nzracing

#cheatsprosper

[Thomass]

So he gets a "warning' with no fine because of his 'good record" after a couple of weeks riding??  Give me a break  

Wins the race by a head after cheating and gets to keep all the ill gotten gains

#integrtynzstyle

Not as bad as Danielle Johnson  though winning the Livermol after 2 loads of 2 consecs, winning by a nose

[curious]

It won't stop unless they significantly increase penalties and include disqualification as other major racing jurisdictions do.

[Thomass]

Exactly,  will they take the plunge in their next attempt at how to screw up a perfectly simple solution, or will they screw it up again?

A very good example in Ngakau Hailey winning yesterday with continual half/full strikes to the flank when winning a nose

Much like Nabber McNab does when using the seam of the whip as well while flicking in consecutive strides

Part of the reason why they banned consecutive strikes was the aesthetic but as you can see the jocks not only look as if it's continual but with some they're actually striking every stride.

As you say, one strike hands back on the wither is very simple

 

[curious]

57 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Exactly,  will they take the plunge in their next attempt at how to screw up a perfectly simple solution, or will they screw it up again?

A very good example in Ngakau Hailey winning yesterday with continual half/full strikes to the flank when winning a nose

Much like Nabber McNab does when using the seam of the whip as well while flicking in consecutive strides

Part of the reason why they banned consecutive strikes was the aesthetic but as you can see the jocks not only look as if it's continual but with some they're actually striking every stride.

As you say, one strike hands back on the wither is very simple

 

Yes. I showed a race to a group of non-racing friends and colleagues who were alarmed by the whip use and some of whom would probably race a horse with me if it weren't for the whip use. None realised that the whip was not being used directly on the horse every stride. The aesthetic is important to our SLO. Hands back on the reins between strikes and preferably 2 or 3 strikes between to allow the horse to respond is imperative.

[Newmarket]

On 6/11/2024 at 1:40 PM, Thomass said:

My word he did

DJOKOTA under a punishing whip drive and he slips in 2 consecutive strikes when under pressure

That worked wonders and gets up by a small margin

Whip strikes work and he wont care as long as he makes an impact as the new boy on the block

#nzracing

#cheatsprosper

Haha…. surely you got something better to do than counting a couple of extra whips…. good on the jockey, I backed it. You must have punted the runner up

[Special Agent]

He's had the arbitrary warning.  Do they allow that sort of riding where he comes from?  I would have thought not.

I agree with others that as he has cheated to win the result should be reversed.

[Chief Stipe]

On 6/11/2024 at 1:40 PM, Thomass said:

My word he did

DJOKOTA under a punishing whip drive and he slips in 2 consecutive strikes when under pressure

That worked wonders and gets up by a small margin

Whip strikes work and he wont care as long as he makes an impact as the new boy on the block

#nzracing

#cheatsprosper

Hardly "punishing".   He used the whip twice in consecutive strides.  Daft rule and most viewers wouldn't see it unless like you they trawl through the Stipes reports.

[Thomass]

37 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Hardly "punishing".   He used the whip twice in consecutive strides.  Daft rule and most viewers wouldn't see it unless like you they trawl through the Stipes reports.

As you can see i posted this topic BEFORE the report 

Stott was a very strong proponent of the new rules in the UK

A big fan of the DQ apparently, lets hope he is when it comes in here as well then

Stott's blog

"There’s obviously been written and said about the new rules surrounding the whip. The changes are certainly going to take time to adjust to but ultimately it seems a good thing for the sport going forward.

We are constantly being watched and the public perception has a big impact on the sport, so to keep racing with the changing times we clearly had to do something and the outcome seems fair for everyone.

I believe the new disqualification rules and the increased penalties for offences are absolutely correct and should help to eliminate any jockeys who may be breaking the rules. Over the next few weeks I will definitely be trying to practice using my backhand position so that by the time the new rules start it should be second nature. You’d imagine plenty of my fellow jockeys will be doing the same.

Finishes should certainly look neater, and it will most definitely be about helping the horse to stay balanced and really using strength to hold them together under hand and heels.

I’m looking forward to the new challenge."

A very strong whip rider as evidenced in his rides here, down the outside

 

Edited yesterday at 10:33 AM by Thomass

[Chief Stipe]

9 hours ago, Thomass said:

As you can see i posted this topic BEFORE the report 

 

Well that's good then @Thomass.  The game needs trainspotters watching a mid-week race meeting.  Good spotting because I'm sure the Stewards required the bunker to review the race endlessly counting whip strikes.  Has the icon on your rewind button been worn off yet?

[Freda]

I'm pretty firmly with Thommo and Curious here...IMO the current rules are confusing and hard to police.  And the social licence is becoming so necessary for the tolerance of the general public ( those that actually give a shit at least ) that there has to be action, not the bumbling responses we see.

Limit the number of strikes,  require hands back on the reins for a mandatory number of strides and apply the penalties consistently. 

[Chief Stipe]

20 minutes ago, Freda said:

IMO the current rules are confusing and hard to police.

Agreed.  All they do is undermine racing.

20 minutes ago, Freda said:

And the social licence is becoming so necessary for the tolerance of the general public

The Spring Racing Carnivals in Australia would suggest otherwise.  The "social license" construct is just that - a social construct that doesn't actually have much factual evidence to support it.  There never was 100% support of Racing.  There doesn't need to be.   As the election of Trump has shown the majority are sick and tired of woke politics and the elite left trying to tell us what is right and wrong.

24 minutes ago, Freda said:

Limit the number of strikes,  require hands back on the reins for a mandatory number of strides and apply the penalties consistently.

So you will be protesting during Cup week like you have been for the last 30 years?

[Chief Stipe]

Lets face it the tracks we train and race on are a bigger horse welfare issue than a few whip strikes.

[Chief Stipe]

As for "social license" wasn't it within our lifetime that we saw religious groups banging drums and tambourines at racecourse entrances saying we would all go to damnation and hell.  "Gambling was the devil's work."

Wasn't there only a dozen protestors at this year's cup?  They were a bit out numbered by the 92,000 on course up 7.3% on last year.

[billy connolly]

58 minutes ago, Freda said:

And the social licence is becoming so necessary for the tolerance of the general public

The general public are like you, wouldn't have a clue and neither would the clowns you're in bed with.

Jockey incompetence is a bigger issue than soft, padded whips.

Get yourself a decent horse as the scrubbers you send around need more than whip persuasion.

[Thomass]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Well that's good then @Thomass.  The game needs trainspotters watching a mid-week race meeting.  Good spotting because I'm sure the Stewards required the bunker to review the race endlessly counting whip strikes.  Has the icon on your rewind button been worn off yet?

Spotted it instantly with my 20/20 non cataract vision

One of the great cock ups NZTR foisted upon Stewards was this 'counting the whip 2.3.4.9' nonsense

Continually changing 'rules ok', case in point, when the likes of @opie_bosson @Teakaustud started bawling their eyes out, which gave NZTR a migraine, rushing through  the splitting  'consecutive' & 'numbers' instead of combining such

idiots 

It's a case study in 'how cock ups evolve' in wanting to appease various sector groups and now studied at Universities

Quelle surprise jockeys are constantly cheating  with massive repercussions  for the integrity of Black Type 

[Thomass]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

As for "social license" wasn't it within our lifetime that we saw religious groups banging drums and tambourines at racecourse entrances saying we would all go to damnation and hell.  "Gambling was the devil's work."

In his recent appearance with Guy,  new Presidente, Russ Warwick, labelled 'social license' as his numero uno problem

So you're going to have to suck it up I'm afraid 

[Chief Stipe]

2 minutes ago, Thomass said:

It's a case study in 'how cock ups evolve' in wanting to appease various sector groups and now studied at Universities

Quelle surprise jockeys are constantly cheating  with massive repercussions  for the integrity of Black Type 

So obviously it isn't a horse welfare issue nor social license issue with you but one regarding some obscure relationship between a whip and the integrity of Black Type.  Yeah that makes sense...not!

[Chief Stipe]

1 minute ago, Thomass said:

In his recent appearance with Guy,  new Presidente, Russ Warwick, labelled 'social license' as his numero uno problem

So you're going to have to suck it up I'm afraid 

Then he needs to rethink quickly or we'll have another out of touch racing leader.

[Trojan]

16 minutes ago, Thomass said:

In his recent appearance with Guy,  new Presidente, Russ Warwick, labelled 'social license' as his numero uno problem

So you're going to have to suck it up I'm afraid 

Why do we have to suck it up?  

I suppose he supports this ludicrous "cradle to the grave" welfare policy?  You can't support that can you afterall you shouldn't if you are worried about the integrity of the breed.  The muppets worried about social license are probably sitting in the Kohi Cafe right now ponitificating yet don't give a damn about the cow that for most of the year twice a day gets milked for their latte's!  Then ends up as blood and bone as organic fertiliser for their tomato plants!

Surely they can see the headlines now from the very small animal activist groups using the very statistics against the brainless appeasers who are collecting the data.  But that won't worry you will it as most of the horses doing nothing in a paddock are geldings and that is helping the integrity of the breed!

[Murray Fish]

4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

As the election of Trump has shown the majority are sick and tired of woke politics

 he got 70m out of 240m possible voters....

[Murray Fish]

3 hours ago, billy connolly said:

The general public are like you, wouldn't have a clue and neither would the clowns you're in bed with.

Jockey incompetence is a bigger issue than soft, padded whips.

Get yourself a decent horse as the scrubbers you send around need more than whip persuasion.

 

your really come across as a shallow kont eh!  how well do you front up in person?

[Chief Stipe]

47 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

 he got 70m out of 240m possible voters....

244m possible voters.  But that isn't registered voters.  

Trump got 72m votes and it looks like the number of voters will nearly equal the record in 2020 which was a record 66% turnout.

Part of being in a democracy is although you are expected to register (or enrol) to vote you don't have to cast a vote.  

 

[Freda]

19 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Lets face it the tracks we train and race on are a bigger horse welfare issue than a few whip strikes.

Have to agree with that.