BLINKERS ON First time...what took them sooo long???

[Murray Fish]

11 hours ago, Pete Lane said:

Answer seems to be that you can't. Therefore it's pretty useless as a factor to consider when assessing a horse's chance.

perhaps the trainer and track rider might if they have been trying them in private?  but then, will that then transfer over into a actual race!

[All The Aces]

2 hours ago, curious said:

I don't think you can assess what effect they might have had after the race either. If the horse improved 5 lengths, how do you know that was due to the blinkers?

 

I'll take a wild stab in the dark as I go to collect and say yes   

 

[Pete Lane]

2 hours ago, Murray Fish said:

perhaps the trainer and track rider might if they have been trying them in private?  but then, will that then transfer over into a actual race!

And again, how would I as a punter know that?

[Gammalite]

9 hours ago, Pete Lane said:

I think you missed my point. I'm not denying all those factors can and do make a difference to a horse's performance but, as a punter, how do you know the extent of the difference when assessing a horse's chance before a race?

The answer is that you don't.

Well I think you do (as a Punter) because the addition of gear is to be reported before the race to stewards  ?  I think that happens. and that is released to the public ?

I'm not sure how or where actually as don't look that up. you are a fairly adept punter so probably don't need to use that sort of thing as a criteria either. (the gear the horse is wearing)

Harness horses are exactly that . (covered in harness 🤣) and we have a range of 'Go Faster'  things we can apply to get that extra metre or 2 advantage in a driving finish . Just like Blinkers do for the gallopers.

Chief just has his Bliknkers on regarding this subject 😂. he's not to worried about the metre or 2. that's alright . some trainers like the Hayes wiill pop them on Mr B and Win a Big race with their little bit of help anyway. 

 

[Pete Lane]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Well I think you do (as a Punter) because the addition of gear is to be reported before the race to stewards  ?  I think that happens. and that is released to the public ?

I'm not sure how or where actually as don't look that up. you are a fairly adept punter so probably don't need to use that sort of thing as a criteria either. (the gear the horse is wearing)

Harness horses are exactly that . (covered in harness 🤣) and we have a range of 'Go Faster'  things we can apply to get that extra metre or 2 advantage in a driving finish . Just like Blinkers do for the gallopers.

Chief just has his Bliknkers on regarding this subject 😂. he's not to worried about the metre or 2. that's alright . some trainers like the Hayes wiill pop them on Mr B and Win a Big race with their little bit of help anyway. 

 

But how do you know whether they are actually going to make a difference?

[Thomass]

This has to been done to death

But I cant get my head around the lack of understanding on this

Shirley, if the DOYEN of ratings DAN, rates the BO performance as the 2nd best of its 42 starts and WILLO the jock says "the blinkers helped no end"

Ipso facto stuff

Punting blinkers, when the profile I use hits on a Black type performer (esp, after Xmas) taking into account value and the trainer/jockey decides to add extra gear (esp. blinkers and ESP. first up for example)

Then I  trust the trainer has worked said horse in such and noticed an improvement at a rating where I believe said horse is ALREADY going to be superior to it's competition 

Simply add @20/30% to my stake

Cant get any clearer than that

 

[Pete Lane]

27 minutes ago, Thomass said:

This has to been done to death

But I cant get my head around the lack of understanding on this

Shirley, if the DOYEN of ratings DAN, rates the BO performance as the 2nd best of its 42 starts and WILLO the jock says "the blinkers helped no end"

Ipso facto stuff

Punting blinkers, when the profile I use hits on a Black type performer (esp, after Xmas) taking into account value and the trainer/jockey decides to add extra gear (esp. blinkers and ESP. first up for example)

Then I  trust the trainer has worked said horse in such and noticed an improvement at a rating where I believe said horse is ALREADY going to be superior to it's competition 

Simply add @20/30% to my stake

Cant get any clearer than that

 

You're too simple to see the flaws in your logic.

Here's something to keep your intellect challenged.

How about you go through the NZ fields for tomorrow and tell me which horses that have blinkers on are going to win?

Edited 3 hours ago by Pete Lane

[Murray Fish]

45 minutes ago, Pete Lane said:

How about you go through the NZ fields for tomorrow and tell me which horses that have blinkers on are going to win?

https://loveracing.nz/raceinfo/53169/meeting-overview.aspx

this is for Riccarton, at the bottom of the each race there is a list of 'gear changes'

lets say perhaps??? Tokyo Tycoon: Blinkers on

then, if you click on that horse you find that..

• Current Gear:
  • Approved Plates
  • Blinkers
  • Lugging Bit
  • Nose Band
  • Tongue Tie

all that suggesting perhaps??? he has his ongoing problems???

 

[Murray Fish]

25 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

then, if you click on that horse you find that..

you can also scroll thought their each start where you can see what gear they had on for each start.

I note that it seems all horses seem to have 'approved plates', does that mean there are other sorts???

[Thomass]

1 hour ago, Pete Lane said:

You're too simple to see the flaws in your logic.

Here's something to keep your intellect challenged.

How about you go through the NZ fields for tomorrow and tell me which horses that have blinkers on are going to win?

Seeing as you're being soooo nice to moi

Stand by...with one leg in the air and black cloth on top of your noggin

[Thomass]

19 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

you can also scroll thought their each start where you can see what gear they had on for each start.

I note that it seems all horses seem to have 'approved plates', does that mean there are other sorts???

Yep, there's also UNAPPROVED PLATES

They go on top of the head and very good inversed when slippery

Like that Scotland/All Black test circa 1975

"That's not a touchdown...that's a splashdown"!!!

[Chief Stipe]

@Thomass why didn't they try the blinkers in the Cox Plate?

[Thomass]

4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

@Thomass why didn't they try the blinkers in the Cox Plate?

info@lindsaypark.com.au

Att. Benny Hayes

[Pete Lane]

Ok I've done it for you.

Riccarton

2. Malfy Rosa

3. Sassman

5. Voice Over

    Bugatti

8. Spartan

    Tokyo Tycoon

Tauranga

2. Geetee Forty

     Happy Venture

5. Rebecchi

8. Rule of Law

    The Prophet

How do I know which one to back when there's two in the same race?

[curious]

I know a bit about one of those. Could improve 2-3 lengths but it won't be because of the blinkers and might not be enough to win.

I also note that in the Gns for example, Marsh has sidewinkers on his two. How much do I adjust my pricing for that? Half what I do for blinkers?