Murray Fish Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 11 hours ago, Pete Lane said: Answer seems to be that you can't. Therefore it's pretty useless as a factor to consider when assessing a horse's chance. perhaps the trainer and track rider might if they have been trying them in private? but then, will that then transfer over into a actual race! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 2 hours ago, curious said: I don't think you can assess what effect they might have had after the race either. If the horse improved 5 lengths, how do you know that was due to the blinkers? I'll take a wild stab in the dark as I go to collect and say yes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lane Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 2 hours ago, Murray Fish said: perhaps the trainer and track rider might if they have been trying them in private? but then, will that then transfer over into a actual race! And again, how would I as a punter know that? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 9 hours ago, Pete Lane said: I think you missed my point. I'm not denying all those factors can and do make a difference to a horse's performance but, as a punter, how do you know the extent of the difference when assessing a horse's chance before a race? The answer is that you don't. Well I think you do (as a Punter) because the addition of gear is to be reported before the race to stewards ? I think that happens. and that is released to the public ? I'm not sure how or where actually as don't look that up. you are a fairly adept punter so probably don't need to use that sort of thing as a criteria either. (the gear the horse is wearing) Harness horses are exactly that . (covered in harness 🤣) and we have a range of 'Go Faster' things we can apply to get that extra metre or 2 advantage in a driving finish . Just like Blinkers do for the gallopers. Chief just has his Bliknkers on regarding this subject 😂. he's not to worried about the metre or 2. that's alright . some trainers like the Hayes wiill pop them on Mr B and Win a Big race with their little bit of help anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lane Posted November 14 Share Posted November 14 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: Well I think you do (as a Punter) because the addition of gear is to be reported before the race to stewards ? I think that happens. and that is released to the public ? I'm not sure how or where actually as don't look that up. you are a fairly adept punter so probably don't need to use that sort of thing as a criteria either. (the gear the horse is wearing) Harness horses are exactly that . (covered in harness 🤣) and we have a range of 'Go Faster' things we can apply to get that extra metre or 2 advantage in a driving finish . Just like Blinkers do for the gallopers. Chief just has his Bliknkers on regarding this subject 😂. he's not to worried about the metre or 2. that's alright . some trainers like the Hayes wiill pop them on Mr B and Win a Big race with their little bit of help anyway. But how do you know whether they are actually going to make a difference? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 15 Author Share Posted November 15 This has to been done to death But I cant get my head around the lack of understanding on this Shirley, if the DOYEN of ratings DAN, rates the BO performance as the 2nd best of its 42 starts and WILLO the jock says "the blinkers helped no end" Ipso facto stuff Punting blinkers, when the profile I use hits on a Black type performer (esp, after Xmas) taking into account value and the trainer/jockey decides to add extra gear (esp. blinkers and ESP. first up for example) Then I trust the trainer has worked said horse in such and noticed an improvement at a rating where I believe said horse is ALREADY going to be superior to it's competition Simply add @20/30% to my stake Cant get any clearer than that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lane Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Thomass said: This has to been done to death But I cant get my head around the lack of understanding on this Shirley, if the DOYEN of ratings DAN, rates the BO performance as the 2nd best of its 42 starts and WILLO the jock says "the blinkers helped no end" Ipso facto stuff Punting blinkers, when the profile I use hits on a Black type performer (esp, after Xmas) taking into account value and the trainer/jockey decides to add extra gear (esp. blinkers and ESP. first up for example) Then I trust the trainer has worked said horse in such and noticed an improvement at a rating where I believe said horse is ALREADY going to be superior to it's competition Simply add @20/30% to my stake Cant get any clearer than that You're too simple to see the flaws in your logic. Here's something to keep your intellect challenged. How about you go through the NZ fields for tomorrow and tell me which horses that have blinkers on are going to win? Edited November 15 by Pete Lane 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 45 minutes ago, Pete Lane said: How about you go through the NZ fields for tomorrow and tell me which horses that have blinkers on are going to win? https://loveracing.nz/raceinfo/53169/meeting-overview.aspx this is for Riccarton, at the bottom of the each race there is a list of 'gear changes' lets say perhaps??? Tokyo Tycoon: Blinkers on then, if you click on that horse you find that.. Current Gear: Approved Plates Blinkers Lugging Bit Nose Band Tongue Tie all that suggesting perhaps??? he has his ongoing problems??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 25 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: then, if you click on that horse you find that.. you can also scroll thought their each start where you can see what gear they had on for each start. I note that it seems all horses seem to have 'approved plates', does that mean there are other sorts??? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 15 Author Share Posted November 15 1 hour ago, Pete Lane said: You're too simple to see the flaws in your logic. Here's something to keep your intellect challenged. How about you go through the NZ fields for tomorrow and tell me which horses that have blinkers on are going to win? Seeing as you're being soooo nice to moi Stand by...with one leg in the air and black cloth on top of your noggin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 15 Author Share Posted November 15 19 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: you can also scroll thought their each start where you can see what gear they had on for each start. I note that it seems all horses seem to have 'approved plates', does that mean there are other sorts??? Yep, there's also UNAPPROVED PLATES They go on top of the head and very good inversed when slippery Like that Scotland/All Black test circa 1975 "That's not a touchdown...that's a splashdown"!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 @Thomass why didn't they try the blinkers in the Cox Plate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 15 Author Share Posted November 15 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: @Thomass why didn't they try the blinkers in the Cox Plate? info@lindsaypark.com.au Att. Benny Hayes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lane Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 Ok I've done it for you. Riccarton 2. Malfy Rosa 3. Sassman 5. Voice Over Bugatti 8. Spartan Tokyo Tycoon Tauranga 2. Geetee Forty Happy Venture 5. Rebecchi 8. Rule of Law The Prophet How do I know which one to back when there's two in the same race? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 I know a bit about one of those. Could improve 2-3 lengths but it won't be because of the blinkers and might not be enough to win. I also note that in the Gns for example, Marsh has sidewinkers on his two. How much do I adjust my pricing for that? Half what I do for blinkers? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 48 minutes ago, Pete Lane said: Ok I've done it for you. Riccarton 2. Malfy Rosa 3. Sassman 5. Voice Over Bugatti 8. Spartan Tokyo Tycoon Tauranga 2. Geetee Forty Happy Venture 5. Rebecchi 8. Rule of Law The Prophet How do I know which one to back when there's two in the same race? easy . take the lot . Let's go $10 bucks on each . total $110 bucks 💰. and if we return more than 110 profit Chief has to relent and admit he is in the presence of Supreme beings (as far as Blinkers go) 😋 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lane Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 15 minutes ago, Gammalite said: easy . take the lot . Let's go $10 bucks on each . total $110 bucks 💰. and if we return more than 110 profit Chief has to relent and admit he is in the presence of Supreme beings (as far as Blinkers go) 😋 None of them will be getting any of my money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 12 minutes ago, Pete Lane said: None of them will be getting any of my money. You better include the ones with side winkers on Pete and maybe also those going from half cup to full cup blinkers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lane Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 24 minutes ago, curious said: You better include the ones with side winkers on Pete and maybe also those going from half cup to full cup blinkers? It’s endless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lane Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 Interesting that none of the fillies in the Guineas are blinkers on. You’d think they’d be climbing in to secure the advantage 🙄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted November 15 Share Posted November 15 going the other way... "“He probably just over-raced a little bit on the first day,” Marsh said. “This time in, he’s feeling better and going better than he ever has before. He might have just got a bit too keen in the blinkers. The blinkers will come off for the Cup." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Lane Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 Total wipeout. No surprises there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 16 Author Share Posted November 16 17 hours ago, Pete Lane said: Total wipeout. No surprises there. You're as nutty as that bloke who goes 'mardigrassing' Providng a list of B wearers and expecting every single one of them to win, #pffttt Alors, if after you've 'analysed' the form and for example, you thought Mr. B was already value one trusts that Benny has trained Mr. B in them nek minute Dan discovers they worked and so did Willo What's so hard about that iron stein? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 1 minute ago, Thomass said: one trusts that Benny has trained Mr. B in them nek minute Dan discovers they worked and so did Willo How did they discover they "worked"? Given "work" isn't under race conditions. However the point the @Pete Lane makes is that Blinkers "first time" doesn’t work more than 50% of the first time. So how does a punter choose which horse to punt on? Therefore a punter who makes money does so by looking for value and other factors NOT whether or not a horse is wearing blinkers for the first time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted November 16 Share Posted November 16 48 minutes ago, Thomass said: You're as nutty as that bloke who goes 'mardigrassing' Providng a list of B wearers and expecting every single one of them to win, #pffttt Alors, if after you've 'analysed' the form and for example, you thought Mr. B was already value one trusts that Benny has trained Mr. B in them nek minute Dan discovers they worked and so did Willo What's so hard about that iron stein? In my experience many trainers prefer NOT to work them in the blinkers. Just put them on race day for the first time. Where did you get the idea that they do? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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