Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 12:35 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:35 AM Only 5 starters today in the time honoured Wakefield Challenge Stakes 2024. Some very good two year olds have won this race in the past. One of them probably our best in Our Maizcay. 1978 Tang 1980 Glamour Bay 1981 Bound To Honour 1982 Romantic Bay 1993 Silver Chalice 1995 Our Maizcay 1998 Happyanunoit 2001 Vinaka 2002 Danroad 2003 Maroofity 2004 Kapsdan 2005 Wahid 2010 Jimmy Choux Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted yesterday at 04:10 AM Share Posted yesterday at 04:10 AM Another Tasmania of racing, all 5 by Aus based Sires as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted yesterday at 04:21 AM Share Posted yesterday at 04:21 AM Hasn't the race been moved around a lot in recent years? Never used to be a Manawatu race either. Surely can't stay as group 2. Terrible field for $175,000. 2yo racing is so badly organised in the CD. Meanwhile the poor bloody South Island gets no 2yo racing for two months mid summer. Still, I suppose we must be doing well, stakes look ok. I suppose if you judge how well we are going based on stakes rather than the quality and quantity of fields, then things have never been better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted yesterday at 04:32 AM Share Posted yesterday at 04:32 AM Arguably a better field at last Trentham meet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted yesterday at 04:37 AM Share Posted yesterday at 04:37 AM and only ONE male horse in... wow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted yesterday at 04:40 AM Share Posted yesterday at 04:40 AM Mid Eighties to 2015 raced in March at Trentham over 1200m and was always a natural lead in to the Manawatu Sires Produce. Since 2015 moved to December and distance reduced to 1100m and as one can plainly see , is now no longer a quality race 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted yesterday at 04:57 AM Share Posted yesterday at 04:57 AM 16 minutes ago, Wingman said: Mid Eighties to 2015 raced in March at Trentham over 1200m and was always a natural lead in to the Manawatu Sires Produce. Since 2015 moved to December and distance reduced to 1100m and as one can plainly see , is now no longer a quality race Last year's winner did go on to win the 1000 guineas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted yesterday at 05:07 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:07 AM That is a fine piece of rebuttal Curious. With that concession I do still think it is not the race it was. I have always liked the seasonal flow and consistency of time honoured races but to quote Mr Fish; 'SIGH' ,that is a thing of the past in the land of the long white cloud. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted yesterday at 05:43 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:43 AM 46 minutes ago, curious said: Last year's winner did go on to win the 1000 guineas. Which is debately also screwed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted yesterday at 08:31 AM Share Posted yesterday at 08:31 AM We effectively now seem to have split the 2yos and 3yos into two tiers each. Based on this year's results so far the better ones work through the traditional pattern and aim for Australian targets eventually, while those who are eligible for the sweepstakes and slot races take a different path and just aim to pick up a maiden race somewhere without having to travel far. Actually, they don't even need to pick up a maiden race really. Nothing to stop a slot holder starting a maiden in the kiwi thing. Certainly a whole new world. Some people think it's wonderful so who am I to disagree. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 18 hours ago, Doomed said: Certainly a whole new world (wearing a punters hat!) hence: the needed to recalibrate and see what possible betting options their might be! Personally, my fav race on the AU/NZ calendar would now be The Everest, reason being!! 'we' get to see so much of all the horses in the build up to the race! This year there was Massive coverage, if you wanted to find it! Sigh, now comparing how the nz 'marketers' of the nz race go about their business of propagating for the race? Down this way Etain and ODT have been working hard, not to sure how much any of the bigger media players have nowadays for things racing! as you have said, a whole new world! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted 10 hours ago Share Posted 10 hours ago 6 hours ago, Murray Fish said: (wearing a punters hat!) hence: the needed to recalibrate and see what possible betting options their might be! Personally, my fav race on the AU/NZ calendar would now be The Everest, reason being!! 'we' get to see so much of all the horses in the build up to the race! This year there was Massive coverage, if you wanted to find it! Sigh, now comparing how the nz 'marketers' of the nz race go about their business of propagating for the race? Down this way Etain and ODT have been working hard, not to sure how much any of the bigger media players have nowadays for things racing! as you have said, a whole new world! The NZB Kiwi or Funny trophy race whatever it's called is appearing to be an absolute yawn fest, any race dependent on the prize money alone to focus most interest in it , is going to struggle to capture the imagination. The beauty of the Everest as you have so succinctly put it is you get to know the horses & can follow their path there, this NZB kiwi half of us don't have a clue who is going there. Not to mention the Everest are the Superstars of the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted 9 hours ago Share Posted 9 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Huey said: The NZB Kiwi or Funny trophy race whatever it's called is appearing to be an absolute yawn fest, any race dependent on the prize money alone to focus most interest in it , is going to struggle to capture the imagination. The beauty of the Everest as you have so succinctly put it is you get to know the horses & can follow their path there, this NZB kiwi half of us don't have a clue who is going there. Not to mention the Everest are the Superstars of the sport. Surely a bit harsh Huey. We have a 3rd placegetter from the Guineas and a maiden winner locked in so far. I can't remember their actual names, but you can feel the excitement building by the minute. It wouldn't surprise me if there's a big announcement in a few days that a maiden winner from Taranaki is next to be confirmed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 4 hours ago, Doomed said: We have a 3rd placegetter from the Guineas and a maiden winner locked in so far. I can't remember their actual names, but you can feel the excitement building by the minute. You have to remember that there are some very good judges of equine potential involved here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 1 hour ago Author Share Posted 1 hour ago 8 hours ago, Huey said: The NZB Kiwi or Funny trophy race whatever it's called is appearing to be an absolute yawn fest, any race dependent on the prize money alone to focus most interest in it , is going to struggle to capture the imagination. The beauty of the Everest as you have so succinctly put it is you get to know the horses & can follow their path there, this NZB kiwi half of us don't have a clue who is going there. Not to mention the Everest are the Superstars of the sport. The only positive of The Everest is every horse is eligible to race it even though the best are both selected due to Slot Holder bias. The Kiwi B eligibility rules and timing and the lack of black type eliminates the best horses from racing. Many of those have a big following. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago (edited) 14 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The Kiwi B eligibility rules and timing and the lack of black type eliminates the best horses from racing. Many of those have a big following. It has black type. Listed (Restricted) Edited 1 hour ago by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 45 minutes ago Author Share Posted 45 minutes ago 15 minutes ago, curious said: It has black type. Listed (Restricted) Do you really consider that is the black type that anyone with a serious horse would choose to go after when there Grp race options elsewhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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