All The Aces Posted yesterday at 05:45 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:45 AM (edited) Don't you feel sorry for Bruce Wallbank who owns and trains Midnight Edition who dead heated for first in the Auckland Guineas at Ellerslie today only to lose the race in the enquiry room. I thought it was a tough decision against Bruce who trains just the one horse and has had a horses to the races only 23 times beginning in the 2008/9 season but I guess the big boys weren't happy to share the stakes win and put in a protest and I guess we all knew how that was going to end up. Tough luck Bruce. Your horse went a great race. Edited yesterday at 05:46 AM by All The Aces 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted 23 hours ago Share Posted 23 hours ago The tighter the margin, the easier it is for articulate people to put forward their case. In my opinion regardless of who puts up the protest (Steward, jockey or trainer) it should only be the jockeys of the horses involved in the enquiry who should be in the room with the stewards 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago How did he lose that race , can someone explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 1 hour ago, Huey said: How did he lose that race , can someone explain? Looks like a dead heat, eh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago Following this race, connections of the first equal runner YALDI lodged a protest alleging interference in the final straight against the first equal placed horse MIDNIGHT EDITION. After considering submissions the Adjudicative Committee upheld the protest with amended placings being 1 st YALDI, 2nd MIDNIGHT EDITION, 3rd CHECKMATE, 4th SUIT YOURSELF. In post-race Trackside coverage, the photo finish footage shown included coverage from the inside camera which was not correctly aligned. The result of the race was judged off the outside camera which is located in a permanent mount inside the Judge’s box. Steward’s concerns regarding the inside camera not being correctly aligned were raised with Club Officials for follow up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago 9 hours ago, Wingman said: The tighter the margin, the easier it is for articulate people to put forward their case. In my opinion regardless of who puts up the protest (Steward, jockey or trainer) it should only be the jockeys of the horses involved in the enquiry who should be in the room with the stewards Even if the Jockey is an apprentice? There is just as much variance in the speaking ability of Jockeys as there is any other participant. Having others such as Trainers and Stewards speaking actually evens things up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago 4 hours ago, curious said: Looks like a dead heat, eh? Wow , yes it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted 7 hours ago Share Posted 7 hours ago 6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Even if the Jockey is an apprentice? There is always exceptions so no, apprentices should be able to have 'their' trainer with them but that is not necessarily the trainer of the horse they were riding. Enquiries would be a lot more straight forward without trainers biased input Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 6 hours ago, Huey said: Wow , yes it does. It was a dead-heat. Places were changed after an inquiry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, Wingman said: Enquiries would be a lot more straight forward without trainers biased input Great - disenfranchise the Trainer even more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 4 minutes ago, Doomed said: It was a dead-heat. Places were changed after an inquiry if it was a DH why has NZTR posted a 0.01 sec win and a margin of 0.1 L? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Thomass said: if it was a DH why has NZTR posted a 0.01 sec win and a margin of 0.1 L? Why does it matter? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Why does it matter? doted I's and crossed tees... or, does the database need to have some space between places? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted 6 hours ago Share Posted 6 hours ago 15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Why does it matter? Because it mirrors the FAKE NEWS Pukekohe result where the time keeper couldn't find a 1000th of a sec margin Yet the 'Judge' found 100th/sec 0.01 to the 'winner' over the '2nd' horse and an incredible 0.2L margin where a "pencil thin" nose is 0.1Length Made up FAKE NEWS by the 'Judge' every which way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 26 minutes ago, Thomass said: Because it mirrors the FAKE NEWS Pukekohe result where the time keeper couldn't find a 1000th of a sec margin Yet the 'Judge' found 100th/sec 0.01 to the 'winner' over the '2nd' horse and an incredible 0.2L margin where a "pencil thin" nose is 0.1Length Made up FAKE NEWS by the 'Judge' every which way You're the only one banging on about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago Just now, Trojan said: You're the only one banging on about it! Have you rang Craig yet Chief? As you'd know Chief, it's important to have STANDARDS of behaviour and a 'gambling' industry HAS to have THE highest of any Just making up stuff and having 'Judges' finding 0.2L where none exists can't be tolerated Maybe that's how the Righteous Right Roll though?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 10 minutes ago, Thomass said: Have you rang Craig yet Chief? As you'd know Chief, it's important to have STANDARDS of behaviour and a 'gambling' industry HAS to have THE highest of any Just making up stuff and having 'Judges' finding 0.2L where none exists can't be tolerated Maybe that's how the Righteous Right Roll though?? What difference does it make unless you suffer from OCD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 19 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: What difference does it make unless you suffer from OCD? Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me, for me, for me So you think you can stone me and spit in my eye? So you think you can love me and leave me to die? Ooh Ooh, yeah, ooh, yeah Nothing really matters, anyone can see Nothing really matters Nothing really matters to me 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 4 hours ago Share Posted 4 hours ago 8 minutes ago, Thomass said: Beelzebub has a devil put aside for me, for me, for me So you think you can stone me and spit in my eye? So you think you can love me and leave me to die? Ooh Ooh, yeah, ooh, yeah Nothing really matters, anyone can see Nothing really matters Nothing really matters to me Obviously means SFA to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tragedy Beat Posted 3 hours ago Share Posted 3 hours ago 20 hours ago, All The Aces said: Don't you feel sorry for Bruce Wallbank who owns and trains Midnight Edition who dead heated for first in the Auckland Guineas at Ellerslie today only to lose the race in the enquiry room. I thought it was a tough decision against Bruce who trains just the one horse and has had a horses to the races only 23 times beginning in the 2008/9 season but I guess the big boys weren't happy to share the stakes win and put in a protest and I guess we all knew how that was going to end up. Tough luck Bruce. Your horse went a great race. Imagine if it was Wallbank lodging a protest against Forsman!!! What are the chances of Yaldi getting outed??!! Zero! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 30 minutes ago, Tragedy Beat said: Imagine if it was Wallbank lodging a protest against Forsman!!! What are the chances of Yaldi getting outed??!! The odds are the same if the interference was clear. You are also assuming, like @Wingman that Cartwright and McNab didn't have much to say. I'm sure it will be easier to argue a case when the head-on view is released. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted 2 hours ago Share Posted 2 hours ago 47 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You are also assuming, like @Wingman that Cartwright and McNab didn't have much to say. I said no such thing. McNab and Cartwright both defended their positions, The former saying 'Would have won' the latter saying he thought the 'brush' helped lift McNabs horse hence his argument that it had not affected the result. The stewards did not agree but would they have been so sure without convincing arguments from a well spoken trainer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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