Freda Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Huey said: They don't because it will do them no good . They've likely experienced this before and got no where. It really is a waste of time , it's not the level playing field you make it out to be. No, it isn't. Canterbury/S.I racing generally seems much stronger than the C.D but there does seem to be a mission to squeeze out the south. If centralized to Riccarton/Ashburton management will be pleased, is the impression i get, but I really hope I'm badly wrong. 2 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 10 Posted January 10 3 hours ago, Huey said: They don't because it will do them no good . They've likely experienced this before and got no where. It really is a waste of time , it's not the level playing field you make it out to be. Then if they don't try they can expect no change. The Southern Programming Committee has been problematic for a very long time and there has been no collaborative effort by Trainers to fix it. You reap what you sow and if you sow nothing you get a mostly bare paddock full of weeds. But you stick to your Mafia stories and conspiracies @Huey as they are impossible to prove and much more exciting explanations than the truth. Not that you appear to have any skin in the game anyway. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 10 Posted January 10 55 minutes ago, Freda said: No, it isn't. Canterbury/S.I racing generally seems much stronger than the C.D but there does seem to be a mission to squeeze out the south. If centralized to Riccarton/Ashburton management will be pleased, is the impression i get, but I really hope I'm badly wrong. Any centralisation ideas are driven by the black hole 🕳 of cost that Riccarton has become. A turf track that needs massive renovation and an AWT that doesn't pay its way. Any decline in racing further South is more likely to be driven by declining horse numbers and economics which has come before any conspiracy. Quote
Freda Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Any centralisation ideas are driven by the black hole 🕳 of cost that Riccarton has become. A turf track that needs massive renovation and an AWT that doesn't pay its way. Any decline in racing further South is more likely to be driven by declining horse numbers and economics which has come before any conspiracy. Yes, that's right enough unfortunately. Quote
curious Posted January 10 Posted January 10 14 minutes ago, Freda said: Yes, that's right enough unfortunately. Agree, though I don't see much sign of any decline in numbers just yet. 1 Quote
Freda Posted January 10 Posted January 10 44 minutes ago, curious said: Agree, though I don't see much sign of any decline in numbers just yet. Apparently that is the reason given for the hellish programming; the south island is considered 'one ' region hence the need to be away for 3 days to target a race that suits. The numbers ( so I'm told ) reflect exactly that. Quote
curious Posted January 10 Posted January 10 7 minutes ago, Freda said: Apparently that is the reason given for the hellish programming; the south island is considered 'one ' region hence the need to be away for 3 days to target a race that suits. The numbers ( so I'm told ) reflect exactly that. That's not what the programming committee is supposed to be doing and have agreed to adhere to. For programming purposes, the pattern is supposed to divide the SI in half with the Waitaki river as the divider. This is from their minutes: PROGRAMMING PRINCIPLES: It was agreed that the following principles which were established in May 2012, then updated in August, December 2017, August 2020, and May 2024 be adhered to. ... A pattern was prepared for each ‘half of the island’ – north of and south of the Waitaki River. Programmes were determined and confirmed in date order. Certain types of races must be programmed as ‘one island’ (Open Handicap Races, and age group) and others as ‘half Island’ races. This creates some clashes when the two ‘half island’ charts are merged. Quote
Freda Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 minutes ago, curious said: That's not what the programming committee is supposed to be doing and have agreed to adhere to. For programming purposes, the pattern is supposed to divide the SI in half with the Waitaki river as the divider. This is from their minutes: PROGRAMMING PRINCIPLES: It was agreed that the following principles which were established in May 2012, then updated in August, December 2017, August 2020, and May 2024 be adhered to. ... A pattern was prepared for each ‘half of the island’ – north of and south of the Waitaki River. Programmes were determined and confirmed in date order. Certain types of races must be programmed as ‘one island’ (Open Handicap Races, and age group) and others as ‘half Island’ races. This creates some clashes when the two ‘half island’ charts are merged. Gee, so my adviser was not correct. Quote
Doomed Posted January 10 Posted January 10 57 minutes ago, curious said: Agree, though I don't see much sign of any decline in numbers just yet. Timaru seems to be booming as a training centre, despite being the area that has lost the most meetings over the years with the demise of Geraldine and Waimate, and the downgrading of Oamaru and Timaru. Southland seems to be going well with some enthusiastic trainers coming through. Otago seems to be the region struggling the most, although largely Wingatui, as there are successful trainers at Waikouaiti and Omakau. Obviously Nelson, Marlborough and the West Coast hardly exist as training centres anymore. Quote
Doomed Posted January 10 Posted January 10 3 hours ago, Freda said: No, it isn't. Canterbury/S.I racing generally seems much stronger than the C.D but there does seem to be a mission to squeeze out the south. If centralized to Riccarton/Ashburton management will be pleased, is the impression i get, but I really hope I'm badly wrong. The whole AWT fiasco was all about centralisation and the desire to close down several tracks. It had nothing to do with providing a winter racing venue. It has proven to be an expensive and frustrating exercise at the provincial Yaldhurst track. Quote
curious Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Doomed said: Timaru seems to be booming as a training centre, despite being the area that has lost the most meetings over the years with the demise of Geraldine and Waimate, and the downgrading of Oamaru and Timaru. Timaru has to appeal as a training base given the above mentioned programming issues in that it's equidistant from both Riccarton and Mosgiel, so mitigates the overnight travel requirement from one centre to the other. 2 Quote
curious Posted January 11 Posted January 11 Looked like about 20 people in the open stands at Trentham before Race 2 on a big G1 day. Probably close to 10 thousand at Kumara. Does a BYO licence make a difference? Quote
curious Posted January 11 Posted January 11 (edited) 4 hours ago, Freda said: Gee, so my adviser was not correct. Do the TA reps not circulate these programming committee minutes to all regional trainers? Otherwise, how do the TA get representative trainer feedback? Edited January 11 by curious Quote
Doomed Posted January 11 Posted January 11 19 minutes ago, curious said: Looked like about 20 people in the open stands at Trentham before Race 2 on a big G1 day. Probably close to 10 thousand at Kumara. Does a BYO licence make a difference? Probably not. Not big drinkers on the Coast. 3 Quote
curious Posted January 11 Posted January 11 I wonder which will perform best business wise. Turnover to stakes ratio? Quote
Murray Fish Posted January 11 Posted January 11 2 hours ago, curious said: Does a BYO licence make a difference? It would make for interesting reading a list of meetings that still have those! Noting ORC advts for boxing day mentioned NO BYO, I think they said 2000ish were oncourse.. Quote
Freda Posted January 11 Posted January 11 18 hours ago, curious said: Do the TA reps not circulate these programming committee minutes to all regional trainers? Otherwise, how do the TA get representative trainer feedback? I can't recall ever seeing anything. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 11 Posted January 11 20 hours ago, curious said: Do the TA reps not circulate these programming committee minutes to all regional trainers? Otherwise, how do the TA get representative trainer feedback? Has anyone Trainer asked for them? Quote
curious Posted January 11 Posted January 11 32 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Has anyone Trainer asked for them? Yep. Me. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 12 Posted January 12 On 9/01/2025 at 3:18 PM, Thomass said: So we all know the economy has tanked under this atrocious Knat Gumment, thanks for nothing Nichola, don't come back But seriously, what did the connections of ORCHESTORAL do to convince HQ to run 3 horses against her? Couldn't Craig Baker get off his chuff and talk a few R 75's into running as well and stump up the cost to run for free plus a few bangers chucked in?? Anything other than a 4 horse PATHETIC field A pony scurry would've been far more entertaining...even a side saddle contest with Victorian era ladies, corsets attached for authenticity?? Just give Wodger the money now and avoid any more embarrassment Told @Thomass to save your dollars as there was no way Orchestral was a race course certainty. Quote
Murray Fish Posted January 12 Posted January 12 who rode the best race? 1400mrun in 1.25.63 1st 3. Acquarello (3) J Michael McNab T Tony Pike 2.30 2.30 2.10 NTD 2nd 2. Shamus (1) J Ace Lawson-Carroll T Moira & Kieran Murdoch NTD 3rd 4. Pour The Wine (4) J Warren Kennedy T Barbara Kennedy NTD 4th 1. Orchestral (2) Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 12 Posted January 12 24 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: who rode the best race? 1400mrun in 1.25.63 1st 3. Acquarello (3) J Michael McNab T Tony Pike 2.30 2.30 2.10 NTD 2nd 2. Shamus (1) J Ace Lawson-Carroll T Moira & Kieran Murdoch NTD 3rd 4. Pour The Wine (4) J Warren Kennedy T Barbara Kennedy NTD 4th 1. Orchestral (2) Doesn't matter Orchestral was never going to win that. Quote
curious Posted January 12 Posted January 12 8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Doesn't matter Orchestral was never going to win that. Hardly Good4 times all day. I'm surprised it hasn't been downgraded. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted January 12 Posted January 12 58 minutes ago, curious said: Hardly Good4 times all day. I'm surprised it hasn't been downgraded. Yeah. The track is a bit off. Quote
curious Posted January 12 Posted January 12 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Yeah. The track is a bit off. Not according to the stipes. Track: Soft 5, upgraded to Good 4 following Race 2 Edited January 12 by curious Quote
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