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Fields at Manawatu 22 December - Sure Sign Something is Wrong


Chief Stipe

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The fields for the Manawatu Racing Clubs meeting at Awapuni on Saturday 22 December are a reflection of what is wrong with NZ Racing.  Has anyone seen a poorer field for the Grp 3 Manawatu Cup?

An average rating of R83 for a Grp 3 $100,000 race!

I compare the similar rated races at Awapuni vs yesterday at Ruakaka and the theory that the better horses race on Premier Days doesn't hold water.  The rest of the fields are weaker than Ruakaka yet they raced for $10k yesterday vs $25k this Saturday.

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25 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Isn't anyone interested in the quality of our fields?

The biggest growth numbers in ' ownership' continues to be in syndication..so people are continuing to get involved for a few bucks a week, no real expectation of large returns on their dough..so the stakemoney to them is irrelevant. Trainers still have full barns, training fees coming in on time. Individual ownership-apart from people like Peter Vela, Kevin Hickman and a few others-has plummeted. The quality of the fields/stakes etc play second fiddle to people who only have a 1% ownership..its all about the 'occasion' for them ( and good on them too, without them the industry would be/is buggered ).and again its reflected in the massive decline in the number of 'small time' breeders.  

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On 19/12/2018 at 9:56 AM, Chief Stipe said:

The fields for the Manawatu Racing Clubs meeting at Awapuni on Saturday 22 December are a reflection of what is wrong with NZ Racing.  Has anyone seen a poorer field for the Grp 3 Manawatu Cup?

An average rating of R83 for a Grp 3 $100,000 race!

I compare the similar rated races at Awapuni vs yesterday at Ruakaka and the theory that the better horses race on Premier Days doesn't hold water.  The rest of the fields are weaker than Ruakaka yet they raced for $10k yesterday vs $25k this Saturday.

If you look at the new funding model their solution to that is to reduce the rating bands so that R85s become R82s and the average rating horse in that race will be open class in future :)

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1 hour ago, curious said:

If you look at the new funding model their solution to that is to reduce the rating bands so that R85s become R82s and the average rating horse in that race will be open class in future :)

Closing tracks and building a mega track isn't going to improve the quality.  FFS - NZTR CHANGE THE TIER STAKES MODEL TO A FLATTER ONE!  FEED THE GRASSROOTS!!!! (should do that with the tracks as well!).  Don't run Grp 3 and Grp 2 races for R85's at $100k and $200k!!!  

CHANGE THE HANDICAPPING MODEL FFS!  Let the good consistent long lived geldings keep on racing!!!!  Base the point ratings on merit not some computer model on a spreadsheet!  It's not as if the handicapper has a lot of horses to review weekly!!!!!

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3 hours ago, Mark D said:

A shit track also.  What happened to the top bend - last I heard they were going to trial on it 1st (maybe they're learning) and then run on it in December.  Trials not go well?

They were dipping and diving in heat 2 and had to put cones out to complete the 6 trial meeting. Perhaps there's not many want to run a decent horse on that track even for 100 or 200k?

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There's pressure on the 'Thoroughbred industry' throughout the World....

Singapore's recently dropped Stakemoney....

But you certainly don't ignore Major cities like Auckland....

....that's lunatic stuff....

....like the Sth Is racing for the same Stakes as the North...

....8K for Sth Is maidens...12K the North...that's a sta

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5 minutes ago, Thomass said:

There's pressure on the 'Thoroughbred industry' throughout the World....

Singapore's recently dropped Stakemoney....

But you certainly don't ignore Major cities like Auckland....

....that's lunatic stuff....

....like the Sth Is racing for the same Stakes as the North...

....8K for Sth Is maidens...12K the North...that's a sta

You've made no case for that. Stakes should be directly in relation to revenue generated, not geography. On that basis it will probably be closer to the other way round. Where would the extra money come from for your proposal?

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11 minutes ago, Thomass said:

There's pressure on the 'Thoroughbred industry' throughout the World....

Singapore's recently dropped Stakemoney....

But you certainly don't ignore Major cities like Auckland....

....that's lunatic stuff....

....like the Sth Is racing for the same Stakes as the North...

....8K for Sth Is maidens...12K the North...that's a sta

Yes the Guineas races should have their stakes slashed.  South Island and 3 yr olds before Christmas.

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27 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

You just need to place them better.  An R83 horse just won a Grp3.

That's irrelevant...

Our Handicappers are too ignorant to follow the RULES...as set down...

Some were shouting to BRING BACK DEANO....

....when he used to blatantly ignore DA RULES...ok?

Hed be knocking points off Bleeders....when it expressly says

"Bleeders will not have Rating points deducted"

Stuff like that

And it's still happening

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25 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Yes, but if it's cheaper to train down Sth...

...don't you think Northern owners should feel aggrieved if they running around for the same Stake?

Bollocks Thomaas.  The cost of fuel and transport is more expensive than North.  I don't think WINZ subsidises racing tack in the South.  NZTR fees are the same.  Vets aren't into charity in the South.

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23 minutes ago, Thomass said:

That's irrelevant...

Our Handicappers are too ignorant to follow the RULES...as set down...

Some were shouting to BRING BACK DEANO....

....when he used to blatantly ignore DA RULES...ok?

Hed be knocking points off Bleeders....when it expressly says

"Bleeders will not have Rating points deducted"

Stuff like that

And it's still happening

Once again Thomaas you don't have the intellect to understand the debate.  Distorted tier stakes and a crap handicapping system (both the rules AND their application) are killing off the lifeblood of a quality racing product - The durable gelding.

And you want to distort it more by having a North and South Island tier!

Why don't we just get it all over and done with and centralise in the Waikato where the fat cats are gathered.  Contrary to the rural myth the grass isn't actually greener or bluer in that province.  

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44 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Once again Thomaas you don't have the intellect to understand the debate.  Distorted tier stakes and a crap handicapping system (both the rules AND their application) are killing off the lifeblood of a quality racing product - The durable gelding.

And you want to distort it more by having a North and South Island tier!

Why don't we just get it all over and done with and centralise in the Waikato where the fat cats are gathered.  Contrary to the rural myth the grass isn't actually greener or bluer in that province.  

Don't give us this 'intellect' buggery bollocks...you're as clueless as Grass when it comes to this stuff...

Ask Dummy how to 'manage' durable geldings 

OVERTHERIVER 350k in the kit...without Black Type success...it can be done..if durable and 'managed'

As for simple economics...

If it's far cheaper to get a horse to the races at Wack a White..than HQ

wtf are they racing for the same 10k Stake?

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