Chief Stipe Posted December 18, 2018 Share Posted December 18, 2018 The fields for the Manawatu Racing Clubs meeting at Awapuni on Saturday 22 December are a reflection of what is wrong with NZ Racing. Has anyone seen a poorer field for the Grp 3 Manawatu Cup? An average rating of R83 for a Grp 3 $100,000 race! I compare the similar rated races at Awapuni vs yesterday at Ruakaka and the theory that the better horses race on Premier Days doesn't hold water. The rest of the fields are weaker than Ruakaka yet they raced for $10k yesterday vs $25k this Saturday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 Isn't anyone interested in the quality of our fields? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Yes, Chief....but the reasons why/solutions are debated here and elsewhere....and by the look of things - and the speed of parliamentary process- there is SFA we at the coal face can do right at this minute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 12 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Isn't anyone interested in the quality of our fields? Certainly not NZTR evidently. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 25 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Isn't anyone interested in the quality of our fields? The biggest growth numbers in ' ownership' continues to be in syndication..so people are continuing to get involved for a few bucks a week, no real expectation of large returns on their dough..so the stakemoney to them is irrelevant. Trainers still have full barns, training fees coming in on time. Individual ownership-apart from people like Peter Vela, Kevin Hickman and a few others-has plummeted. The quality of the fields/stakes etc play second fiddle to people who only have a 1% ownership..its all about the 'occasion' for them ( and good on them too, without them the industry would be/is buggered ).and again its reflected in the massive decline in the number of 'small time' breeders. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 On 19/12/2018 at 9:56 AM, Chief Stipe said: The fields for the Manawatu Racing Clubs meeting at Awapuni on Saturday 22 December are a reflection of what is wrong with NZ Racing. Has anyone seen a poorer field for the Grp 3 Manawatu Cup? An average rating of R83 for a Grp 3 $100,000 race! I compare the similar rated races at Awapuni vs yesterday at Ruakaka and the theory that the better horses race on Premier Days doesn't hold water. The rest of the fields are weaker than Ruakaka yet they raced for $10k yesterday vs $25k this Saturday. If you look at the new funding model their solution to that is to reduce the rating bands so that R85s become R82s and the average rating horse in that race will be open class in future Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 A shit track also. What happened to the top bend - last I heard they were going to trial on it 1st (maybe they're learning) and then run on it in December. Trials not go well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 19, 2018 Author Share Posted December 19, 2018 1 hour ago, curious said: If you look at the new funding model their solution to that is to reduce the rating bands so that R85s become R82s and the average rating horse in that race will be open class in future Closing tracks and building a mega track isn't going to improve the quality. FFS - NZTR CHANGE THE TIER STAKES MODEL TO A FLATTER ONE! FEED THE GRASSROOTS!!!! (should do that with the tracks as well!). Don't run Grp 3 and Grp 2 races for R85's at $100k and $200k!!! CHANGE THE HANDICAPPING MODEL FFS! Let the good consistent long lived geldings keep on racing!!!! Base the point ratings on merit not some computer model on a spreadsheet! It's not as if the handicapper has a lot of horses to review weekly!!!!! 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 3 hours ago, Mark D said: A shit track also. What happened to the top bend - last I heard they were going to trial on it 1st (maybe they're learning) and then run on it in December. Trials not go well? They were dipping and diving in heat 2 and had to put cones out to complete the 6 trial meeting. Perhaps there's not many want to run a decent horse on that track even for 100 or 200k? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 There's pressure on the 'Thoroughbred industry' throughout the World.... Singapore's recently dropped Stakemoney.... But you certainly don't ignore Major cities like Auckland.... ....that's lunatic stuff.... ....like the Sth Is racing for the same Stakes as the North... ....8K for Sth Is maidens...12K the North...that's a sta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 5 minutes ago, Thomass said: There's pressure on the 'Thoroughbred industry' throughout the World.... Singapore's recently dropped Stakemoney.... But you certainly don't ignore Major cities like Auckland.... ....that's lunatic stuff.... ....like the Sth Is racing for the same Stakes as the North... ....8K for Sth Is maidens...12K the North...that's a sta You've made no case for that. Stakes should be directly in relation to revenue generated, not geography. On that basis it will probably be closer to the other way round. Where would the extra money come from for your proposal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 20, 2018 Author Share Posted December 20, 2018 11 minutes ago, Thomass said: There's pressure on the 'Thoroughbred industry' throughout the World.... Singapore's recently dropped Stakemoney.... But you certainly don't ignore Major cities like Auckland.... ....that's lunatic stuff.... ....like the Sth Is racing for the same Stakes as the North... ....8K for Sth Is maidens...12K the North...that's a sta Yes the Guineas races should have their stakes slashed. South Island and 3 yr olds before Christmas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 20, 2018 Share Posted December 20, 2018 Ridiculous thing to say... The fact is Jelly Williams charges way more per day than Freda... Yet they're racing for the same 10K.... Jelly's too kind to say anything though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 He's trained Grp 1 winners...I haven't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, Freda said: He's trained Grp 1 winners...I haven't. Well I hope you do one day, from the way you post on this site, sounds like you deserve it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 22 hours ago, Freda said: He's trained Grp 1 winners...I haven't. You just need to place them better. An R83 horse just won a Grp3. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prankster Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: An R83 horse just won a Grp3. Sure Sign Something is Wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 23 hours ago, Freda said: He's trained Grp 1 winners...I haven't. Yes, but if it's cheaper to train down Sth... ...don't you think Northern owners should feel aggrieved if they running around for the same Stake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Another moronic post by the VI 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You just need to place them better. An R83 horse just won a Grp3. That's irrelevant... Our Handicappers are too ignorant to follow the RULES...as set down... Some were shouting to BRING BACK DEANO.... ....when he used to blatantly ignore DA RULES...ok? Hed be knocking points off Bleeders....when it expressly says "Bleeders will not have Rating points deducted" Stuff like that And it's still happening Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 25 minutes ago, Thomass said: Yes, but if it's cheaper to train down Sth... ...don't you think Northern owners should feel aggrieved if they running around for the same Stake? Bollocks Thomaas. The cost of fuel and transport is more expensive than North. I don't think WINZ subsidises racing tack in the South. NZTR fees are the same. Vets aren't into charity in the South. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 23 minutes ago, Thomass said: That's irrelevant... Our Handicappers are too ignorant to follow the RULES...as set down... Some were shouting to BRING BACK DEANO.... ....when he used to blatantly ignore DA RULES...ok? Hed be knocking points off Bleeders....when it expressly says "Bleeders will not have Rating points deducted" Stuff like that And it's still happening Once again Thomaas you don't have the intellect to understand the debate. Distorted tier stakes and a crap handicapping system (both the rules AND their application) are killing off the lifeblood of a quality racing product - The durable gelding. And you want to distort it more by having a North and South Island tier! Why don't we just get it all over and done with and centralise in the Waikato where the fat cats are gathered. Contrary to the rural myth the grass isn't actually greener or bluer in that province. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 Bollocks back at ya Ask Jelly what he charges a day compared to Pitty...can't wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 9 minutes ago, Thomass said: Bollocks back at ya Ask Jelly what he charges a day compared to Pitty...can't wait So you are contradicting yourself now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 44 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Once again Thomaas you don't have the intellect to understand the debate. Distorted tier stakes and a crap handicapping system (both the rules AND their application) are killing off the lifeblood of a quality racing product - The durable gelding. And you want to distort it more by having a North and South Island tier! Why don't we just get it all over and done with and centralise in the Waikato where the fat cats are gathered. Contrary to the rural myth the grass isn't actually greener or bluer in that province. Don't give us this 'intellect' buggery bollocks...you're as clueless as Grass when it comes to this stuff... Ask Dummy how to 'manage' durable geldings OVERTHERIVER 350k in the kit...without Black Type success...it can be done..if durable and 'managed' As for simple economics... If it's far cheaper to get a horse to the races at Wack a White..than HQ wtf are they racing for the same 10k Stake? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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