Chief Stipe Posted Saturday at 07:15 PM Share Posted Saturday at 07:15 PM 15 minutes ago, Huey said: I've just been thinking this morning CS did the training partnership thank Dave for buying these horses this year? I'm not sure I heard them thank him this year , I hope they did, be awful if they forgot to. Your obsessions are causing you to lose the plot. What does this post actually mean? The Training Partnership's at Te Akau are very much involved in selecting and buying the yearlings. Walker, Bergerson, Gleeson and Durant. Do you want them to thank themselves? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted Saturday at 07:18 PM Share Posted Saturday at 07:18 PM Just now, Chief Stipe said: Your obsessions are causing you to lose the plot. What does this post actually mean? The Training Partnership's at Te Akau are very much involved in selecting and buying the yearlings. Walker, Bergerson, Gleeson and Durant. Do you want them to thank themselves? I thought as a big TA fanboy you'd know its customary to thank Dave when they get a winner. Perhaps youre not as a big a fan boy as I thought. Watch the sales today and practice your wink to get some extra fan boy points that will put you back on track! Fancy not knowing this CS , I am disappointed in you for the first time ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Saturday at 07:19 PM Share Posted Saturday at 07:19 PM 15 minutes ago, Huey said: Cmon Chief it's amazing the BGP boys being part of the best night in sport, they only add to the excitement. How about this for a new idea , KM night 2 this time only 4 races& races start at 6pm, what do you think be amazing for nzracing surely?? Cynic. What's your problem? Instead of taking smart arse pot shots at Racing tell us all what you have achieved that gives you any credence on the subject? Quite frankly you'd be better to invest yiur negativity in the SPCA or PETA or SAFE. They'd love your investment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted Saturday at 07:33 PM Share Posted Saturday at 07:33 PM 11 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Cynic. What's your problem? Instead of taking smart arse pot shots at Racing tell us all what you have achieved that gives you any credence on the subject? Quite frankly you'd be better to invest yiur negativity in the SPCA or PETA or SAFE. They'd love your investment. Negativity where do you get that from? I'm probably the most excited of all those who are excited about the KM night! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Saturday at 07:37 PM Share Posted Saturday at 07:37 PM 8 minutes ago, Huey said: I thought as a big TA fanboy you'd know its customary to thank Dave when they get a winner. Perhaps youre not as a big a fan boy as I thought. Watch the sales today and practice your wink to get some extra fan boy points that will put you back on track! Fancy not knowing this CS , I am disappointed in you for the first time ever! You're a plonker @Huey. Did DCE out smart you over a horse sale or in your case he probably out traded you on a truck of steers? Over the years I've come across a number of negative types like you. Eventually it comes out that at some time in the past they formed an irrational grievance over some slight or something minor. What is your grievance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted Saturday at 07:41 PM Share Posted Saturday at 07:41 PM 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You're a plonker @Huey. Did DCE out smart you over a horse sale or in your case he probably out traded you on a truck of steers? Over the years I've come across a number of negative types like you. Eventually it comes out that at some time in the past they formed an irrational grievance over some slight or something minor. What is your grievance? No grievance here ... just excitement pure excitement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Saturday at 08:02 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:02 PM 18 minutes ago, Huey said: No grievance here ... just excitement pure excitement! Pure BS on your part. But in the remotest chance that you have come across from the dark side well done. I can recommend a couple of Te Akau yearlings that were purchased at the Magic Millions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted Saturday at 08:18 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:18 PM 15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Pure BS on your part. But in the remotest chance that you have come across from the dark side well done. I can recommend a couple of Te Akau yearlings that were purchased at the Magic Millions. I only want to be involved in the KM not the MM Chief. I'll keep my eye out today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted Saturday at 08:22 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:22 PM Maybe a Sword of State will win the 2026 KM Chief? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Saturday at 08:49 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:49 PM 26 minutes ago, Huey said: Maybe a Sword of State will win the 2026 KM Chief? Possibly. They are very nice looking yearlings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Saturday at 08:51 PM Share Posted Saturday at 08:51 PM 31 minutes ago, Huey said: I only want to be involved in the KM not the MM Chief. I'll keep my eye out today. Well a MM yearling can be eligible for the Kiwi B. I'm sure a syndicate could arranged that has 1 plus 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted Monday at 10:56 AM Share Posted Monday at 10:56 AM On 1/26/2025 at 7:56 AM, Chief Stipe said: No matter how much you promote it @TAB For Ever the BGP model of promotion has a limited life. Cracks are starting to show. I know an increasing number of BGP members who no longer bother with the BGP betting pool but maintain a connection so they join the public stand area that it partitioned off for them. How is the BGP pool a positive marketing promotion for the TAB? Sure the TAB makes a net revenue from it even though the margin after marketing is significantly less than any other product they have. Explain why is it good marketing for the TAB to promote a product that so glaringly highlights, to quote you, that 95% of punters lose? As a group of BGP members said to me it isn't a good look that the BGP has all the resources, inside information and favourable odds a available to it as still loses big? As they said they'd rather have direct control over how they lose their money. You a funny man Chief , i assumed you had some marketing/promotion nous in your Business qualification. They have been going some 7 or 8 years at least , cracks arent showing they are Fault lines as in an Earthquake. Very noticeable and opened a gulf of interest ! The best thing for racing since sliced bread , with in a couple of years it had won a number of Awards in NZ racing for best this and best that. Wind back the clock and remember that it was run by a small bunch of guys who had fulltime jobs as Accountants ,Bankers , Lawyers , small business owners and one oldie who ran tip sheets and into racing admin etc. First I heard of it I was amazed that at a time of utter complacency in NZ Racing here was an outfit that young people could easily join and meet and mix and importantly have great fun with around big racedays and Cup week etc.I saw it first at Cup week where people proudly wore their badges and talked about the fun and benefits. Very few old gray stale males ! Sitting in the BGP room at the first few Karaka Days I met people ,couples so plenty of females from all around NZ .......most having their best day ever at the races , watching many of NZ's best horses,trainers and jockeys including James Mac , plus several top Aussies. All in comfortable surroundings incl a seat...And all within 30m of the horses parade ring and race viewing. Well organised too...the selectors of picks were under a lot of pressure to get the bets sorted and placed with the TAB. IMO BGP got too big to be run part-time ...administration of collecting membershp fees sending out shirts and gears , organising buses ,Accommodation options trips away ,stable vists , horse purchases as well as the weekly blogs , emails ,newsletters ,interviews etc.Daily tipping service ! BGP 's dream of building the brand was met well and truly it became a highlighted sideshow to the Karaka day ,made TV 1 news and the fairy tale result of having a big payout from TAB was the pie in sky dream. But we know the TAB is forever......but even after BGP had reduced their overall activity they had still collected a massive pool to bet with and SMASH the previous records for a racemeeting betting in NZ. Ive skipped a few steps but of course the TAB want to open more accounts and get folk betting digitally thru TAB app etc..........all that now happening and BGP released from their admin burden. I do get sick of explaining this to the negaholics who make all sorts of false claims even tho they never experienced it...this contributes to their personal misery ,people even comment about them on line after admitting they dont know shit about it. Some negaholics resent the better odds the BGP get....havent they heard of Bulk buying ,don't they understand that elite VIP punters get special deals from TAB. Surprised at you Chief as you so ecstatic that Ruakaka got 2 busloads from poorest towns in NZ to Ruakaka for some punters comp ,when you snigger that BGP got over 800 folk into 1 x room for a 6 race card..folk from all over NZ. Gave them a great day .....more people in one room and a greater spend on the day thru food+ bev and tote than several meetings over the Xmas /New Year .Then add the $350k bet and lost on nationwide pool which over 10,000 ma and pas bet into. Pray remind me of any better TAB promotion to be involved in ? Funny how the people I spoke to joined in the fun and loved the day ,yet your feedback group only got involved to get a good spot to stand....hahaha , YEAH RIGHT ! Pessimism is for lightweights ! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted Monday at 11:23 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:23 AM Turnover is turnover wherever it comes from. The better the turnover, the more comes back to the industry. Whether it's Chief's cracks or TAB Man's faultlines, as long as it is allowed to evolve we should all be happy. I don't have the slightest interest in joining the BGP group but, I can definitely see they are betting which can't be said of all the talked up Ellerslie groups. We should be embracing the younger ones who want to bet and join ownership teams. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted Monday at 11:28 AM Share Posted Monday at 11:28 AM I think most of the feedback i've seen on public forums has been quite positive and supportive of BGP. Everyone seems to enjoy that people are attending an are invested in the actual racing (rather than just a social gathering that is the young persons go these days) tickets were just $150 too? , so not bad for what they got. Some oldies didn't like being excluded from the stand seats they have warmed for years, but a small sacrifice to make in getting a great Attendance (and interest in the racing) I think it acceptable for some to question the large amount of dollars being spent if 'some ' returns aren't made , but the racing is very competitive. And the horses were all trying their guts out. so is hard to come out in front. and only the astute ones can come out ahead on a regular basis on the punt . Think about 90% end up donating something monthly and leaves a miserly 10% of investers winning something for the year. Probably a good thing in a way , as the young participants can see that money is lost , even by learned folk doing the form for BGP, in this sport gambling , so might even be More CAREFUL with what they do in regard to their own investing. Sportsbet sponsor our racing station on TV channel 7 in Australia, and make an absolute squillion each week, and are careful how they promote their product , with warnings after every cross to them with things like "You might be about to lose .ring the helpline , blah , etc" they know they are mugging some for thousands $$ and they are MUGS losing it. BoysGetPaid just have an investment amount straight up so is a better way for the not so great tipster to have a chance of a return. They will lose interest in doing this if no Big returns though as just seems a waste, so as Chief says the model they use needs some success or interest would decline , these people aren't mugs lol 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Monday at 06:35 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:35 PM 7 hours ago, Special Agent said: Turnover is turnover wherever it comes from. The better the turnover, the more comes back to the industry. Whether it's Chief's cracks or TAB Man's faultlines, as long as it is allowed to evolve we should all be happy. I don't have the slightest interest in joining the BGP group but, I can definitely see they are betting which can't be said of all the talked up Ellerslie groups. We should be embracing the younger ones who want to bet and join ownership teams. All well and good however turnover ISN'T everything. The important metric is Net Revenue. When BGP eventually get round to winning their winnings will have been subsidised by every other punter due to the incentives and discounts BGP gets that no other punter does. Of course if they consistently lose everything everything they punt then the net revenue is a gain to the industry. Those points aside the bigger question I ask is they lose big even with all the incentives, all the special access privileges, all the expert knowledge and with all the information they have. How do you sugar coat the sows ear message - "The TAB won half a million dollars AGAIN of the BGP". Many BGP participants who have invested in the BGP betting pool are asking the question. So is the current marketing message going to lead to a sustainable industry? I don't think so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Monday at 06:39 PM Share Posted Monday at 06:39 PM 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: All well and good however turnover ISN'T everything. The important metric is Net Revenue. Yes. BGP are betting FO, so turnover is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted Monday at 11:30 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:30 PM Cracks are starting to appear because they are losing. You can't help but question some of those bets last week , they were betting as bad as me and thats absolutely awful! I think maybe they need some serious punters to assist them with their bets which may help them to at least become sustainable, are they too proud to seek someone out? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Tuesday at 12:08 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:08 AM 35 minutes ago, Huey said: Cracks are starting to appear because they are losing. You can't help but question some of those bets last week , they were betting as bad as me and thats absolutely awful! I think maybe they need some serious punters to assist them with their bets which may help them to at least become sustainable, are they too proud to seek someone out? Except that no serious punter, or bookie for that matter, is going to go to the races with $1m and aim to make a $1m. They'll go with a $1m and expect to make 50k. That would be no fun for the BGP crowd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted Tuesday at 12:24 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:24 AM Of course their moniker 'Boys Get Paid' has major issues with generation Alpha and women in general with the suggestion of getting 'laid' It's olde school and time has moved on Australia have a punters club for women..Ladies Who Punt https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/ladies-who-punt/id1609919643 BGP could combine IP, change the olde boys network and really make a bigger impact rather than "swingin' c##ks as someone pointed out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 12:39 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 12:39 AM 13 minutes ago, Thomass said: Of course their moniker 'Boys Get Paid' has major issues with generation Alpha and women in general with the suggestion of getting 'laid' It's olde school and time has moved on Australia have a punters club for women..Ladies Who Punt https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/ladies-who-punt/id1609919643 BGP could combine IP, change the olde boys network and really make a bigger impact rather than "swingin' c##ks as someone pointed out Maybe but there are a fair number of women involved. Which perhaps highlights that the average person doesn't give a jot about your contived morality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted Tuesday at 01:17 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:17 AM 32 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Maybe but there are a fair number of women involved. Which perhaps highlights that the average person doesn't give a jot about your contived morality. Last time I arksed Kemeys he told me 16%...mostly partners of boys Do you have Granddaughters? Ask them if they'd join a club called BOYS Get PAID When Racing needs every bit of help it can get why would you disenfranchise a group ffs? #oldeschoololdefool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 01:22 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 01:22 AM 2 minutes ago, Thomass said: Last time I arksed Kemeys he told me 16%...mostly partners of boys Do you have Granddaughters? Ask them if they'd join a club called BOYS Get PAID When Racing needs every bit of help it can get why would you disenfranchise a group ffs? #oldeschoololdefool 16% is reasonably good however I would say the % was much greater on course at the KM. Why don't the girls start their own? Does your morality allow the use of the word Girls? Although you have proven to largely be a hypocrite on this subject. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Green Posted Tuesday at 08:00 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:00 AM 7 hours ago, Thomass said: Of course their moniker 'Boys Get Paid' has major issues with generation Alpha and women in general with the suggestion of getting 'laid' It's olde school and time has moved on Australia have a punters club for women..Ladies Who Punt https://podcasts.apple.com/nz/podcast/ladies-who-punt/id1609919643 BGP could combine IP, change the olde boys network and really make a bigger impact rather than "swingin' c##ks as someone pointed out 6 hours ago, Thomass said: Last time I arksed Kemeys he told me 16%...mostly partners of boys Do you have Granddaughters? Ask them if they'd join a club called BOYS Get PAID When Racing needs every bit of help it can get why would you disenfranchise a group ffs? #oldeschoololdefool Thomass what are your thoughts on "Ladies day" races. I do hope you haven't felt unwelcome and stayed home. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted Tuesday at 09:52 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:52 PM 13 hours ago, Jim Green said: what are your thoughts on "Ladies day" races. I do hope you haven't felt unwelcome and stayed home. Asking for a friend? Old Fat White Guy$ be the major players on any given race day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted Tuesday at 11:20 PM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 11:20 PM 23 hours ago, Huey said: Cracks are starting to appear because they are losing. You can't help but question some of those bets last week , they were betting as bad as me and thats absolutely awful! I think maybe they need some serious punters to assist them with their bets which may help them to at least become sustainable, are they too proud to seek someone out? Yes, I agree. With the TAB bending over backwards and offering them crazy odds that no other punter can get…. yet still had zilch left last Sunday. Didn’t they get $1mill once in a pool….. yet only got $350k last Sunday. it’s a funny group to be part of… They love Ted and put him on a pedestal… yet if you followed his bets in the last 6 months you would have lost your dough, no negative comments after his nag tips run down the track, but many thank him as soon as he posts…. crazy. Not seen too many positive posts after Sundays selections, in fact a few have posted with negative comments. I like the BGP concept of getting groups to the track, but I reckon these punters pools will continue to decline. Not sure all the advertising on TV, social media & radio regarding punting pools and Betcha / TAB all over the show is a good look these days, makes a joke when I see the … Gamble Responsibly 🤣 Remember the days when TABs were tucked away off streets, down alleyways etc, how times have changed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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