Doomed Posted February 9 Share Posted February 9 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Or was it the Bank of England? If Truss was dumb then Reeves is even dumber. The UK can't tax itself out of the mess it is in. I suggest you @Huey and @Doomed reduce your risk on UK stocks. Sell your Landrover shares ASAP. Actually liquidate your Landrovers as parts might become hard to come by. I keep getting dragged into these debates. People always pick on the quiet ones. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 20 hours ago, Doomed said: I keep getting dragged into these debates. People always pick on the quiet ones. It's because you're called Doomed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 A big problem is evident in the photo. Te Rapa premier day with group races. Not the horse .... the backgound 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 34 minutes ago, The Centaur said: A big problem is evident in the photo. Te Rapa premier day with group races. Not the horse .... the backgound I noticed that myself, but decided not to say anything. NZTR keep putting up those shots with empty grandstands which is never a good look. Does anyone have any idea of turnovers? I saw someone mention somewhere that Tauherenikau on Waitangi Day always does more oncourse turnover than Te Rapa on Dyke day. I also saw a comment from the Oaks stud in the Savaglee article saying turnovers are booming and the industry is in a great place. If that is correct then all is good, but we never get to see turnover figures to decide for ourselves. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Doomed said: I noticed that myself, but decided not to say anything. NZTR keep putting up those shots with empty grandstands which is never a good look. Does anyone have any idea of turnovers? I saw someone mention somewhere that Tauherenikau on Waitangi Day always does more oncourse turnover than Te Rapa on Dyke day. I also saw a comment from the Oaks stud in the Savaglee article saying turnovers are booming and the industry is in a great place. If that is correct then all is good, but we never get to see turnover figures to decide for ourselves. "Turnovers = Top Secret "or at least that appears to be the case. I keep hearing the same about Turnovers , but I just can't get my head around them having increased at all, not the least significantly at the moment. Everything in this industry is giving the indication that little has changed apart from stakes (i.e. crowds) . The meetings I've attended recently seem to have the same number of patrons on course as they ever have, its just as easy to get a bet on (if you take into account how they have made it harder to for us older ones) but I don't see people betting more in fact it appears as if punters are being more careful with their hard earned. Apart from the World Pool , which is a "give me" . I can't see where this is occurring ... massive punting on peoples phones or sports betting? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 It seems that if turnovers, let alone revenues were actually up, they would be shouting the figures from the roof tops? Aside from isolated events, I haven't seen that from Entain, only others saying it - like the Oaks as above. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shab Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 Don't know if any of these outfits are interested in increasing turnover. Must be all about margin. Just looked at Lightning odds and Entain have Switzerland 2.60. Australian TAB an even more ridiculous 2.25. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 9 hours ago, Doomed said: I noticed that myself, but decided not to say anything. NZTR keep putting up those shots with empty grandstands which is never a good look. Does anyone have any idea of turnovers? I saw someone mention somewhere that Tauherenikau on Waitangi Day always does more oncourse turnover than Te Rapa on Dyke day. I also saw a comment from the Oaks stud in the Savaglee article saying turnovers are booming and the industry is in a great place. If that is correct then all is good, but we never get to see turnover figures to decide for ourselves. Well I'm not one to gossip but I do know the Turnover increases have been steady with the stand outs being the Karaka day [ incl World Pool] and the eleven Premier meetings around Boxing Day New year up to Kumara...Thats 2 x Ellerslie , 2 x Trentham and Kumara included up 22%. The 2 months Nov/Dec combined saw Gallops + 10% , Harness +8% , Dogs +7%. Sports betting +10% and nearly matching Gallops and Harness combined ! Active accounts +30k up to 200k.. Field size for both main codes were down which doesnt help , and many will say the key figures are the the GBR or profit ! Methinks bonus bets etc can skew things. But its not disastrous . I'd mark it ..... Racing needs to do better , to justify increased advtg and promotion etc. So possums , spend ,spend, spend ......don't sit on the sidelines , racing may be a televised sport but it needs your money thru the tote ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 7 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Well I'm not one to gossip but I do know the Turnover increases have been steady with the stand outs being the Karaka day [ incl World Pool] and the eleven Premier meetings around Boxing Day New year up to Kumara...Thats 2 x Ellerslie , 2 x Trentham and Kumara included up 22%. The 2 months Nov/Dec combined saw Gallops + 10% , Harness +8% , Dogs +7%. Sports betting +10% and nearly matching Gallops and Harness combined ! Active accounts +30k up to 200k.. Field size for both main codes were down which doesnt help , and many will say the key figures are the the GBR or profit ! Methinks bonus bets etc can skew things. But its not disastrous . I'd mark it ..... Racing needs to do better , to justify increased advtg and promotion etc. So possums , spend ,spend, spend ......don't sit on the sidelines , racing may be a televised sport but it needs your money thru the tote ! Outside of KM night (which is obvious with the World Pools) I just don't see it, love to be proven wrong. The same will happen for Champions Day with the World Pools and that will be deemed a success. So many punters have lost interest in the bread and butter days, that has to be a concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 7 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Field size for both main codes were down which doesnt help , and many will say the key figures are the the GBR or profit ! Methinks bonus bets etc can skew things. I'd be one of those. A 10% increase in turnover is meaningless given the trend from higher margin tote products to lower margin (and much more risky) FOB including the increased % of sports betting which is all FOB. Where are the GBR figures? Surely Entain must be reporting those to TABNZ? So, why do they not make them available to us? From what we can see neither turnovers, nor GBR are exactly "booming". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, curious said: I'd be one of those. A 10% increase in turnover is meaningless given the trend from higher margin tote products to lower margin (and much more risky) FOB including the increased % of sports betting which is all FOB. Where are the GBR figures? Surely Entain must be reporting those to TABNZ? So, why do they not make them available to us? From what we can see neither turnovers, nor GBR are exactly "booming". Good point. It feels a bit like they are keeping stakeholders in the dark until a certain point in time when they can do something, perhaps Geo Blocking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, curious said: I'd be one of those. A 10% increase in turnover is meaningless given the trend from higher margin tote products to lower margin (and much more risky) FOB including the increased % of sports betting which is all FOB. Where are the GBR figures? Surely Entain must be reporting those to TABNZ? So, why do they not make them available to us? From what we can see neither turnovers, nor GBR are exactly "booming". The Harness figures/comparisons etc etc are currently fairly up to date on the HRNZ website. Under Official Information....Raceday performances. Fill your boots..... Times have changed since Turnover was the key to progress...now GBR , but businesses generally don't update margins to all in sundry on a weekly or daily basis. Too much reporting of individual GBR's and analysis of it , will just do one's head in. And creates nothing but negativity as easy to put a slant to results etc.....Most of the racing folks I know enjoy their involvement in racing without constantly worrying about things outside their control. The folk who know all the answers need to be at the heart of the business , if they not we only have ourselves to blame . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, curious said: I'd be one of those. A 10% increase in turnover is meaningless given the trend from higher margin tote products to lower margin (and much more risky) FOB including the increased % of sports betting which is all FOB. Where are the GBR figures? Surely Entain must be reporting those to TABNZ? So, why do they not make them available to us? From what we can see neither turnovers, nor GBR are exactly "booming". Isn't Net betting revenue the most important of all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 58 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Too much reporting of individual GBR's and analysis of it , will just do one's head in. Said like a true cost accountant. I'm sure the Bookies and the computer is checking the margins in real time! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 59 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: And creates nothing but negativity as easy to put a slant to results etc.....Most of the racing folks I know enjoy their involvement in racing without constantly worrying about things outside their control. That's why they cant' expect anything to change and hence Trainers get the tracks they deserve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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