Another programming cockup.

[mikeynz]

Winton Thursday, 2 2yo races scheduled, 2 noms in total, races canned, at least Wyndham have races with both sexes  combined programmed for next month, for what I'm seeing it's got worse since they changed the season to Jan 1 or is it just me thinking that ?

Add to that Winton have a 70000 2yo fillies race in April, for more than likely half a dozen runners if they are lucky, this ain't good business sense.

And of course one or two early birds will cream it, but as I've said before best to make hay while the sun shines, it can't be sustainable.

Edited yesterday at 03:34 AM by mikeynz

[Brodie]

4 hours ago, mikeynz said:

Winton Thursday, 2 2yo races scheduled, 2 noms in total, races canned, at least Wyndham have races with both sexes  combined programmed for next month, for what I'm seeing it's got worse since they changed the season to Jan 1 or is it just me thinking that ?

Add to that Winton have a 70000 2yo fillies race in April, for more than likely half a dozen runners if they are lucky, this ain't good business sense.

And of course one or two early birds will cream it, but as I've said before best to make hay while the sun shines, it can't be sustainable.

Addington had 2 noms for Friday’s meeting and was canned!

Going to take a helluva lot more than the Entain  bonuses to attract people to be breeding and racing 2 year olds.

Going to be a very interesting few seasons ahead for every sector of the industry without any doubt!

[mikeynz]

Better to spend on older horses, fix the handicapping and have better fields for rating 60 +

I think I'm correct in thinking nothing has actually changed regarding 2yo, shifting the seasons has only meant they turn 2 or 3 or 4 six months later than what it was, irrespective it seems numbers just ain'tthere probably the complete domination of some stables has put many off.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 08:42 AM by mikeynz

[Westview]

16 hours ago, mikeynz said:

Better to spend on older horses, fix the handicapping and have better fields for rating 60 +

I think I'm correct in thinking nothing has actually changed regarding 2yo, shifting the seasons has only meant they turn 2 or 3 or 4 six months later than what it was, irrespective it seems numbers just ain'tthere probably the complete domination of some stables has put many off.

 

 

If you have anything like a top 2yr old it's going to be a very long season,  the recent trials look like there will be alot show up when the money's up.

[the galah]

 

7 hours ago, Westview said:

If you have anything like a top 2yr old it's going to be a very long season,  the recent trials look like there will be alot show up when the money's up.

surely not every trainer thinks their qualified to race 2 year old,will be a top 2 year old?

i mean,they can go around in a 5 horse field at the races for good money,just like they have been going around in 5 horse fields at the trials.

Trials for nothing or fridays $15,000 stake,with $8250 to the winner and an extra $12,000 in bonuses to the winner. 

The whole thing,does make you wonder about sometimes.

We keep reading where hrnz tell us the bonuses are whats needed to get more 2 year old starters,then we read how they keep cancelling programmed 2 year old races or they run a 5 horse race with all starters from the same stable.Duh.

Then there have been several media stories about trainers so enthusiastic about the next gen bonuses. I mean,seriously,these trainers  must be expecting their owners to eventually  pay another $4,000 in training fees so they keep them in training a bit longer and earn an extra $4,000 bonus.Do they not realise how stupid that sounds.

Oh,thats right ,from what i've read,they all are targeting being the first next gen horse home in the 3 sales series races. From what i have read in the many media stories,read,it seems all these trainers think they are going to win.

sort of reminds me,Donald trump keeps using the words,common sense thinking and realistic thinking. Somehow i think harness racing needs some of that.

Edited 14 hours ago by the galah

[mikeynz]

The issue ain't really about 2yo racing, it's just the money pumped into stakes which is in contrast to what it's earning, some of these 5 or 6 horse races have tiny turnovers, how they just magically pull 70000 out of the hat for a 2yo fillies race at Winton bearing in mind the Cheviot race that been around for years is only 40000 seems weird, gee even many 3yo races ain't flash numbers wise either.

Interestingly those four 100000 races they has Addington back late November for 2YOs it seems have been canned, maybe they added 2 and 2 together and only came up with 3, throw in the mind boggling handicapping system and now the clutching of straws with dates allocation, the draft calendar for next season has a heap of southern meetings now maybe Sunday, it's probably not yet proven if 4 or 5 meetings on same day is good or bad.

Rangiora have a 35000 handicap on Sunday, looking like a good field, putting stakes into these races is where the emphasis should be, build the numbers, better for turnover than races with 5 or 6 which usually has a dominant favorite thus producing poor turnover.

Personally I'm surprised that the slot race for Ellerslie next week is for 3yos only, would have made more sense if it was 3yo or over, the type of field for that sort of race is limitless.

Edited 4 hours ago by mikeynz

[the galah]

1 hour ago, mikeynz said:

The issue ain't really about 2yo racing, it's just the money pumped into stakes which is in contrast to what it's earning, some of these 5 or 6 horse races have tiny turnovers, how they just magically pull 70000 out of the hat for a 2yo fillies race at Winton bearing in mind the Cheviot race that been around for years is only 40000 seems weird, gee even many 3yo races ain't flash numbers wise either.

Interestingly those four 100000 races they has Addington back late November for 2YOs it seems have been canned, maybe they added 2 and 2 together and only came up with 3, throw in the mind boggling handicapping system and now the clutching of straws with dates allocation, the draft calendar for next season has a heap of southern meetings now maybe Sunday, it's probably not yet proven if 4 or 5 meetings on same day is good or bad.

Rangiora have a 35000 handicap on Sunday, looking like a good field, putting stakes into these races is where the emphasis should be, build the numbers, better for turnover than races with 5 or 6 which usually has a dominant favorite thus producing poor turnover.

Personally I'm surprised that the slot race for Ellerslie next week is for 3yos only, would have made more sense if it was 3yo or over, the type of field for that sort of race is limitless.

your right.

HRNZ are doing all they can financially to ensure they can run the races with the smallest turnovers, for the trainers who value their udr strike rates,which of course by definition means they don't line their horses up as much.

While doing that,they do nothing to financially encourage those who provide the horses in the races that generate the most turnovers,who line their horses up far more times than the strike rate trainers.

Then ,we have all these media articles on how great trainers think it is that HRNZ is funding the industry with bonuses for the 2 year olds.

I mean,ask yourself,are these trainers that short sighted that they can't see,that to proritise the interests of 5% of the industries participants at the expense of the 95% of trainers/owners/breeders ,will undoubtedly undermine and contract the industry that they supposedly hope to make a living from in years to come.

some of these trainers comments show no empathy whatsoever with 95% in the industry..

Personally i think its all incredibly short sighted,and all incredibly based on selfishness, which will long term  cost them far more than they will ever gain in the short term.

 

Edited 3 hours ago by the galah