Reefton Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 They don't let them programme an open race, they end up with only 65 noms with 30 of them from one stable, there are always concerns with safety and consequently they have a bad habit of abandonments. Exactly who is it who picked that course for retention and why? (we know Winnie likes to get on the piss at Kumara so that explains keeping that but Waikouaiti?????) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 AND it only has two starting points(like Kumara) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Ah....apparently there is a lovely view... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 It's also close to the beach and Pitty likes it there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) Kumara in the same spot - can both of them - then can the biggest joke of them all Riccarton Puke, set up at Darfield and transfer Addington there too and the Casino Edited December 27, 2018 by Turny 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, curious said: It's also close to the beach and Pitty likes it there. Other than perhaps with the handicapper I was not aware MRP held a lot of sway at NZTR? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 27, 2018 Author Share Posted December 27, 2018 1 hour ago, Turny said: Kumara in the same spot - can both of them - then can the biggest joke of them all Riccarton Puke, set up at Darfield and transfer Addington there too and the Casino Now ya talking! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 (edited) Funnily enough, some years ago, former CJC President John Austin [who was certainly NOT considered innovative in any shape or form] thought that obtaining cheaper land out Halkett way - light, dry, free draining soil - and setting up purpose-built training facilities was the way to go. Edited December 27, 2018 by Freda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
priceless Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 13 hours ago, Freda said: Funnily enough, some years ago, former CJC President John Austin [who was certainly NOT considered innovative in any shape or form] thought that obtaining cheaper land out Halkett way - light, dry, free draining soil - and setting up purpose-built training facilities was the way to go. They have one that fits this .Rangiora !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 (edited) Yep. Do you have enough land there to build a 2000m track? Edited December 28, 2018 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 21 minutes ago, curious said: Yep. Do you have enough land there to build a 2000m track? It’s more about available land to set up trainers and training I would have thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Dark Beau said: It’s more about available land to set up trainers and training I would have thought. Yep, that too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 On 27/12/2018 at 1:15 PM, Reefton said: They don't let them programme an open race, they end up with only 65 noms with 30 of them from one stable, there are always concerns with safety and consequently they have a bad habit of abandonments. Exactly who is it who picked that course for retention and why? (we know Winnie likes to get on the piss at Kumara so that explains keeping that but Waikouaiti?????) There is little doubt that Messara didn't make his recommendations on his own research - on this and other tracks - which fact disappoints me greatly. I did have great hopes [ naively, obviously ] for his report. Advice on this particular travesty came from very close at hand.....the local administration - who felt that ' sitting on the hill overlooking the races ' was a valid reason for retaining a shithole of a track that attracts little patronage generally apart from one stable. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 Most of that report appears to have been based on " advice on" various travesties that "came from very close at hand" rather than any of his own investigation. I agree. Very disappointing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 The hypocrisy in the industry used to amaze me but not anymore, the game is rigged race dates, extra races,marketing and promotion, infrastructure funding the list goes on. Sad fact it could be so much better if it just did its best to help everyone feel part of something instead of just 8-10 tracks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 28 minutes ago, Huey said: The hypocrisy in the industry used to amaze me but not anymore, the game is rigged race dates, extra races,marketing and promotion, infrastructure funding the list goes on. Sad fact it could be so much better if it just did its best to help everyone feel part of something instead of just 8-10 tracks. Sadly Huey it’s not confined to Racing. A lot of sports across the country are run shambolically. The central administration of them mirrors racing in that it’s full of best intentioned people who lack the skills. Read the article from the other day on Pirongia Racing Club, they have done zero to have a succession plan, it’s full of old coots who are out of touch and now face extinction. Have been to that event twice and both times left early because of chronic boredom and I am interested in Racing, imagine what the rest think. It’s no wonder the numbers are flagging, what worked in the 80s doesn’t today in drawing people to an event. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 28, 2018 Author Share Posted December 28, 2018 7 minutes ago, barryb said: Sadly Huey it’s not confined to Racing. A lot of sports across the country are run shambolically. The central administration of them mirrors racing in that it’s full of best intentioned people who lack the skills. Read the article from the other day on Pirongia Racing Club, they have done zero to have a succession plan, it’s full of old coots who are out of touch and now face extinction. Have been to that event twice and both times left early because of chronic boredom and I am interested in Racing, imagine what the rest think. It’s no wonder the numbers are flagging, what worked in the 80s doesn’t today in drawing people to an event. Bit harsh there on the 'old coots' Barryb. They were probably like every racing club administration hoping some younger people would put their hands up to help with the committee side of things. Which clearly didn't happen. Good news however. Witless Win and John Messara are going to have the game thronging with 18 - 44 year olds all wildly enthusiastic to be part of the admin and punting enormous amounts of their hard earned. '..........and they all lived happily ever after.' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 25 minutes ago, Reefton said: Bit harsh there on the 'old coots' Barryb. They were probably like every racing club administration hoping some younger people would put their hands up to help with the committee side of things. Which clearly didn't happen. Good news however. Witless Win and John Messara are going to have the game thronging with 18 - 44 year olds all wildly enthusiastic to be part of the admin and punting enormous amounts of their hard earned. '..........and they all lived happily ever after.' Reality Reefton is some of these old coots hang on for dear life & drive most eligible people away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted December 28, 2018 Share Posted December 28, 2018 1 hour ago, barryb said: Reality Reefton is some of these old coots hang on for dear life & drive most eligible people away. I think you are both right in part, there is a lack of young people coming through but when one does come through they realise fairly quickly they are not going to change anything for various reasons so they give up and walk away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted December 29, 2018 Author Share Posted December 29, 2018 5 hours ago, barryb said: Reality Reefton is some of these old coots hang on for dear life & drive most eligible people away. Ever been on a club committee and tried to engender enthusiasm? It ain't there the same way it ain't there for the rugby club or the golf club or even the PTA. I have been on our committee since my mid 20's and certainly didn't feel left out of decision making or any other aspect of club activity. It would be an interesting experiment to have an entire committee removed and see the upshot. Despite what people say Club Committees are in general battling their very best to run the outfits and get very little thanks for their efforts either. They are easy targets both for disgruntled participants and for those halfwits at NZTR (well some them are halfwits). The Clubs are run a hell of a lot better than NZTR the NZRB are (mind you that wouldn't be difficult) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
priceless Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 17 hours ago, curious said: Yep. Do you have enough land there to build a 2000m track? 80 acres of land at Rangiora.The track is approx 1800 mtrs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 8 hours ago, barryb said: Reality Reefton is some of these old coots hang on for dear life & drive most eligible people away. Easy there Barry, you maybe an old coot one day, some of us won't get to be old, hopefully we still having racing then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, Shad said: Easy there Barry, you maybe an old coot one day, some of us won't get to be old, hopefully we still having racing then. Sure thing Shad, but at some stage in everything in life you need to know when to let go. some of these codgers hang on because they say NO one is coming through the ranks, often its because these dinosaurs make it bloody nigh impossible for anyone else. You know the types, they think they know better, it worked in the 80's, etc etc. Edited December 29, 2018 by barryb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Fair call, we can't go on for ever, an older fella used the f word at me at a recent race day for standing on a step to the stand, I think he was an official, must admit it put a damper on the day and I'm tempted to lay a complaint, no need for abusive language. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted December 29, 2018 Share Posted December 29, 2018 Which track was that at Shad?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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