Keep Waikouaiti - Really??????

[Shad]

Don't want to name the track, a bit unfair to blame them on one grumpy person's outburst, just put a damper on the day, just thought there was no need for it, I will just have to move on.

[Reefton]

On 29/12/2018 at 7:31 PM, barryb said:

Sure thing Shad, but at some stage in everything in life you need to know when to let go. some of these codgers hang on because they say NO one is coming through the ranks, often its because these dinosaurs make it bloody nigh impossible for anyone else.

You know the types, they think they know better, it worked in the 80's, etc etc.

It's called a democracy Barryb.  I am not aware of any Clubs were it is not one man one vote.  Unlike NZTR and NZRB where it is some bizarre method that selects nobodies to run the outfits.

[Chief Stipe]

On 29/12/2018 at 7:31 PM, barryb said:

Sure thing Shad, but at some stage in everything in life you need to know when to let go. some of these codgers hang on because they say NO one is coming through the ranks, often its because these dinosaurs make it bloody nigh impossible for anyone else.

You know the types, they think they know better, it worked in the 80's, etc etc.

Oddly enough it did work in the 80's.  Arguably the overpaid "experts" have stuffed it.  That and the black hole of the Waikato that seems to suck the energy from the region's.

[curious]

Pretty much worked in the 90s too. We were at least paying our own way more or less. I thought the writing was on the wall in 2001 when the Racing Act was still a bill. So it has pretty much proved. I must say, as an old codger about to retire from the day job in a few months, I have spent quite a bit of time in the last 2 or 3 years replacing myself on various boards and committees including in racing. I've worked hard to do that, recruiting younger more energetic people and once done, stepped aside. In all cases they are still there. I still occasionally support those boards and committees but don't influence their decision making. It's a bit of work recruiting the right people for organisations that I treasure and want the best for but it's been worth the effort.

Edited December 30, 2018 by curious

[Chief Stipe]

3 hours ago, curious said:

Pretty much worked in the 90s too. We were at least paying our own way more or less. I thought the writing was on the wall in 2001 when the Racing Act was still a bill. So it has pretty much proved. I must say, as an old codger about to retire from the day job in a few months, I have spent quite a bit of time in the last 2 or 3 years replacing myself on various boards and committees including in racing. I've worked hard to do that, recruiting younger more energetic people and once done, stepped aside. In all cases they are still there. I still occasionally support those boards and committees but don't influence their decision making. It's a bit of work recruiting the right people for organisations that I treasure and want the best for but it's been worth the effort.

Well done Curious.  You receive a BOAY New Years gong for that.⚜️

[Freda]

4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Oddly enough it did work in the 80's.  Arguably the overpaid "experts" have stuffed it.  That and the black hole of the Waikato that seems to suck the energy from the region's.

Yes, it did.

I bought into the notion being bandied around that 'we' needed slick,  professional,  up-to-date management and forward-thinking business types....naive of me,  again....because it has been largely downhill all the way since.

I'm not implying those pre-ninety officials were perfect,  but certainly their replacements are much less so.

[Freda]

..and on the Waikouaiti topic...I gather Kurow yesterday was a great day - as usual - with heaps of racegoers enjoying a day at a good track at a very picturesque spot which the M report wants to see gone...and at which,  by the way, were several Canterbury racing people also enjoying a lovely day.

The same lot who advised that Waikouaiti was the track to keep.

[JasonMc]

Might be low on numbers tomorrow as Pitty just said " i still have 25 horses tomorrow but need to be fair to my owners so there is no way i be having 25 that is for certain"

[Chief Stipe]

Was it the Breeders initiative that forced the NZ Derby from Boxing Day?

As I recall the Boxing Day Derby winner often went on to greater and bigger things.

Always a big crowd oncourse and a bigger crowd watching on TV1.  

[Freda]

53 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Was it the Breeders initiative that forced the NZ Derby from Boxing Day?

As I recall the Boxing Day Derby winner often went on to greater and bigger things.

Always a big crowd oncourse and a bigger crowd watching on TV1.  

...sigh...and remember when we had a Wellington Derby as well,  and a St Leger that really was a classic to strive for....until the 'commercial' reality of a staying colt made that unattractive..

Edited December 31, 2018 by Freda

[Chief Stipe]

54 minutes ago, Freda said:

...sigh...and remember when we had a Wellington Derby as well,  and a St Leger that really was a classic to strive for....until the 'commercial' reality of a staying colt made that unattractive..

But isn't that another result of Big Breeders "initiative", crap programming, tiered stakes and a stuffed up handicapping system?  The latter also a big breeder initiative.

[Freda]

I would have to agree.

[hesi]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Was it the Breeders initiative that forced the NZ Derby from Boxing Day?

As I recall the Boxing Day Derby winner often went on to greater and bigger things.

Always a big crowd oncourse and a bigger crowd watching on TV1.  

Here you go, judge for yourself, Xcellent was the last Boxing Day winner

Winners of the New Zealand Derby[edit]

Year	Winner	Jockey	Trainer	Owner	Time
2018	Vin De Dance	Jason Waddell	Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman	OTI Racing (Mgr: T Henderson), L Muollo & Kilted Taniwha Syndicate	2:28.44
2017	Gingernuts	Opie Bosson	Stephen Autridge & Jamie Richards	Te Akau Gingernuts Syndicate	2:28.27
2016	Rangipo	Vinnie Colgan	Tony Pike	John & Margaret Thompson	2:28.89
2015	Mongolian Khan	Opie Bosson	Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman	Inner Mongolia Rider Horse Industry	2:28.40
2014	Puccini	Michael Walker	Peter & Jacob McKay	Monovale Holdings Ltd	2:28.39
2013	Habibi	Vinnie Colgan	Donna & Dean Logan	Mrs H J & P J Crofskey & Mrs P A McIntyre	2:27.58
2012	Silent Achiever	James McDonald	Roger James	K J Hickman	2:33.55
2011	Jimmy Choux	Jonathan Riddell	John Bary	Chouxmaani Investments Ltd.	2:38.35
2010	Military Move	Michael Walker	Shaune Ritchie	Steven Lo	2:27.91
2009	Coniston Bluebird	Scott Seamer	Bede Murray	Murray Livestock, J O'Brien, J & R Standford & J Wilson	2:31.04
2008	C'est La Guerre	David Walker	Kevin Myers	K Barker et al.	2:33.47
2007	Redoute's Dancer	Vinnie Colgan	Tim Martin	P. Silvestro	2:27.24
2006	Wahid	Leith Innes	Allan Sharrock	Noel H. & Ron T. Stanley	2:27.42
2004	Xcellent	Michael Coleman	Michael Moroney	G W Breingan et al.	2:32.01
2003	Cut the Cake	Michael Coleman	Michael Moroney	N M Anderson/G W Breingan et al.	2:28.88
2002	St Reims	Greg Childs	Chris McNab	Rob McAnulty et al.	2:28.57
2001	Leica Guv	Scott Seamer	Jeff McVean	R A and Mrs R J Scarborough	2:28.98
2000	Hail	Noel Harris	Bruce Marsh	A J Cunningham & R B Marsh	2:32.27
1999	Hades	Vinnie Colgan	Roger James	Mrs F E & R A Dixon	2:27.57
1998	So Casual	Damien Oliver	Ross Taylor	G C P Beadel et al.	2:24.80
1997	Zonda	Vinnie Colgan	Roger James	Hundalee Derby Syndicate	2:31.58
1996	Great Command	Darren Beadman	Michael Moroney	H J & J Chan, R R McAnulty & D Tsang	2:27.97
1995	Roysyn	Vinnie Colgan	Roger James	Mrs B P & J B Harvey	2:30.10
1994	Look Who's Talking	Grant Cooksley	Nigel Tiley	Unifaith Limited	2:28.18
1993	Popsy	Lance O'Sullivan	D & P O'Sullivan	Barnaby & Co Ltd	2:27.24
1992	The Phantom Chance	Robert Vance	Colin Jillings	W B Ballin	2:25.98
1991	Cavallieri	Grant Cooksley	Laurie Laxon	L K Laxon, S Shew & F & Mrs Z Sing	2:29.18
1990	Surfers Paradise	Lance O'Sullivan	D & P O'Sullivan	F Cheung, K Chong, G Fong & J D Smith	2:28.02
1989	Castletown	Bruce Compton	Patrick Busuttin	P M Busuttin, B J McCahill & K P Morris	2:29.28
1988	The Gentry	Greg Childs	Ray & Kerry Verner	L W Davis, H K Haub, P J Walker & Haunui Farm	2:27.49
1987	Satisfy	Maurice Campbell	N D Nicoloff	N D & P H Nicoloff	2:35.41
1986	Tidal Light	Grant Cooksley	Jim Gibbs	S A Taylor	2:28.63
1985	Bonecrusher	Gary Stewart	Frank Ritchie	Peter J. Mitchell	2:29.47
1984	Jolly Jake	Chris McNab	Alan Jones	I W Allan	2:27.39
1983	I'm Henry	Robert Vance	Colin Jillings	A J & M M Bates	2:29.78
1982	Our Flight	Maurice Campbell	Errol Skelton	J W Rusher	2:32.48
1981	Isle of Man	Robert Vance	Davina Waddell	R F Langsford and D L Waddell	2:28.89
1980	Ring the Bell	Nigel Tiley	Neville Atkins	E M Mackley and B P Wild	2:30.23
1979	Ruling Lad	Garry Phillips	Brian Deacon	E N Baker	2:35.38
1978	Kaiser	Alwin Tweedie	Neville Atkins	T J and Mrs Doole	2:29.42
1977	Uncle Remus	Robert Vance	Colin Jillings	K F Clotworthy and Mrs G M Donaldson	2:29.51
1976	Silver Lad	D Wyatt	B Petley	D and Mrs Nicholls and R R Peel-Walker	2:29.76
1975	Balmerino	Maurice Campbell	Brian Smith	R K Stuart	2:31.21
1974	Mansingh
1973	Furys Order

[Freda]

On ‎29‎/‎12‎/‎2018 at 6:01 AM, Freda said:

There is little doubt that Messara didn't make his recommendations on his own research - on this and other tracks - which fact disappoints me greatly.  I did have great hopes [ naively,  obviously ] for his report.

Advice on this particular travesty came from very close at hand.....the local administration - who felt that ' sitting on the hill overlooking the races '  was a valid reason for retaining a shithole of a track that attracts little patronage generally apart from one stable.

46 runners.

[Chief Stipe]

16 of them Pittys.

Only 6 races.

[curious]

Not a lot of excitement to watch sitting on the hill overlooking the races I would have thought.

Might be better to just go have a NY's day picnic on the hill and not worry about holding the races?

Edited December 31, 2018 by curious

[JasonMc]

Great crowd hot weather kids enjoyed their day out. But amateur people on course at least twice overspoke commentator once after the gates opened  something about fashions in the field ?

Not a very good viewing track unsure why the would retain this track

[Arsenic]

7 minutes ago, JasonMc said:

Great crowd hot weather kids enjoyed their day out. But amateur people on course at least twice overspoke commentator once after the gates opened  something about fashions in the field ?

Not a very good viewing track unsure why the would retain this track

Didn’t  think you were allowed on a racecourse.

[JasonMc]

18 minutes ago, Arsenic said:

Didn’t  think you were allowed on a racecourse.

Well you would be wrong ????? , your obsession of following me from thread to thread is getting boring. 

[Arsenic]

2 minutes ago, JasonMc said:

Well you would be wrong ????? , your obsession of following me from thread to thread is getting boring. 

No not interested in following you Jenny .

[JasonMc]

7 minutes ago, Arsenic said:

No not interested in following you Jenny .

Well run along and get your hand off it then.

Referring to my weight does not bother me but you can continue your dribble if you want. Thought this was BOAY not a school playground?????. But if chief stipes wants to allow bullying thats his choice

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, Arsenic said:

No not interested in following you Jenny .

Let it go Arsenic.  Do you have anything to say relevant to the thread?

[Kakama]

I see today in aus....they showed races from Burrumbeet? I had to google it, 15 mins west of Ballarat. 

Only race once a year, reminded me of Kumara, only track was far better. 

Interesting that it was the first time all races were shown live on aussie race channel?