Trackside?

[Newmarket]

So there is an enquiry at Trentham…. so nobody in the Trackside team has nothing to say? Next race about to go, what is the point of having them o course? Was a time when you could get info direct from enquiry room?

[Newmarket]

Any enquiry that goes this long…. should let placings stand….

[SLB2.0]

It stands

I found Sweeney funny this morning. Interviewing the track manager (or someone like that) and he stuffed up his intro so he did the intro again, but he clearly wasn't aware he was live.

Love Trackside comedy show

[Newmarket]

34 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said:

It stands

I found Sweeney funny this morning. Interviewing the track manager (or someone like that) and he stuffed up his intro so he did the intro again, but he clearly wasn't aware he was live.

Love Trackside comedy show

Was a joke alright…

Who is this woman Erin Leighton? Just wondering how she fits in. Been poor today, the whole team.

[Wingman]

The Oaks meeting has finished yet they are still advertising to get your bets on for Oaks day...Doh

[Freda]

1 hour ago, Newmarket said:

Was a joke alright…

Who is this woman Erin Leighton? Just wondering how she fits in. Been poor today, the whole team.

Erin's all right.  Does a good job IMO and doesn't need her confidence bashed.

She's a former jockey employed by Wexford.  Gives good input i think and can only improve with more exposure. 

[All The Aces]

25 minutes ago, Freda said:

 

.  Gives good input i think and can only improve with more exposure. 

Don't think taking her dress off will help with selections Freda. 

[Huey]

2 hours ago, Newmarket said:

 

Who is this woman Erin Leighton? Just wondering how she fits in. Been poor today, the whole team.

I thought she did really well today , added some much needed colour & her enthusiasm appears to be genuine which is refreshing. 

Crowd was poor.

[Jim Green]

I only watched a few races but I did see the Oaks and Erin Leighton picked a horse paying $19 out of the yard and it ran 2nd just beaten. Must have a reasonable idea. 

A mate thinks she rides trackwork in matamata so probably worth a few dollars on when she picks matamata horses like Dubai Gold. He took the Quinella. I didnt

 

[Newmarket]

Only asking who Erin was, not knocking her. 

The presenters at Wellington were hopeless, only knew there was an inquiry when looking at TAB result…. then woman came on in studio and said enquiry about 15 mins later, didn’t even mention it was 2nd & 3rd against winner. 
They wank on about anything…. yet when you really want the info they go into hiding. 

[Wingman]

The fault ultimately lies with Entain. They are a European bookmaking giant who thinks all punters are mugs and should be treated accordingly. This is why the viewer now gets waffle over substance. 

A few examples from todays coverage from Trentham, part of me was still in mourning at how the champagne turf is now yesterdays dregs.

Example 1; Race 2 roughie wins but really difficult to line up 2nd and 3rd, a nose in it and the fav eventually got the nod for 2nd. A lot of people would have been sweating on that result, particularly from a quinella perspective but not one word from the studio as to the official result

Example 2; Race 7 and 8. This one is 101 how to shoot yourself in the foot. After R7 they decided to put the result up in graphics. First 4 not struck and 26K carried forward. No mention of guaranteed pool so I look on the TAB website and it shows a pool of 32K with the word 'guaranteed' next to it. A minute or so before the start of the Oaks I had another look and the pool was now approx 132K, so I am guessing a 100k guarantee but incredibly on channel 62 no hype about it. 

Example 3; Race 9.  Platinum Attack was continually backed over two days into favouritism, a lot of chat about that however a late surge of support brought Glamour Tycoon into a similar price. The cameras meantime showed the horses walking around the birdcage and the presenters starting with number 1 and numerically working their way down the field gave us their waffle on each horse in picture. Platinum Attack was number 12 and the viewer was not shown the horse in the birdcage as the presenters ran out of time.

In summary re example 1 and 2, how hard is it to tell the viewer the judges call, and how difficult is it to advise the viewer of a carry over and a guaranteed pool? 

With birdcage commentary and preliminaries the obvious thing to do is ensure the favoured runners are always shown first however that is exactly what a bookmaking company does not want to do as it gives the experienced punter a potential advantage. That is why with horse racing the fairest betting medium is the tote when bookies are nowhere to be seen. Stranger things can happen. Maybe one day the likes of HK, NZ and Victoria will be one happy tote family. In the meantime whilst chasing a younger base, Entain are losing their older established customers turnover at an alarming rate.

[Bill]

6 hours ago, SLB2.0 said:

It stands

I found Sweeney funny this morning. Interviewing the track manager (or someone like that) and he stuffed up his intro so he did the intro again, but he clearly wasn't aware he was live.

Love Trackside comedy show

Or it was pre recorded and someone didn’t edit it properly is the more likely explanation 

[Bill]

36 minutes ago, Wingman said:

The fault ultimately lies with Entain. They are a European bookmaking giant who thinks all punters are mugs and should be treated accordingly. This is why the viewer now gets waffle over substance. 

A few examples from todays coverage from Trentham, part of me was still in mourning at how the champagne turf is now yesterdays dregs.

Example 1; Race 2 roughie wins but really difficult to line up 2nd and 3rd, a nose in it and the fav eventually got the nod for 2nd. A lot of people would have been sweating on that result, particularly from a quinella perspective but not one word from the studio as to the official result

Example 2; Race 7 and 8. This one is 101 how to shoot yourself in the foot. After R7 they decided to put the result up in graphics. First 4 not struck and 26K carried forward. No mention of guaranteed pool so I look on the TAB website and it shows a pool of 32K with the word 'guaranteed' next to it. A minute or so before the start of the Oaks I had another look and the pool was now approx 132K, so I am guessing a 100k guarantee but incredibly on channel 62 no hype about it. 

Example 3; Race 9.  Platinum Attack was continually backed over two days into favouritism, a lot of chat about that however a late surge of support brought Glamour Tycoon into a similar price. The cameras meantime showed the horses walking around the birdcage and the presenters starting with number 1 and numerically working their way down the field gave us their waffle on each horse in picture. Platinum Attack was number 12 and the viewer was not shown the horse in the birdcage as the presenters ran out of time.

In summary re example 1 and 2, how hard is it to tell the viewer the judges call, and how difficult is it to advise the viewer of a carry over and a guaranteed pool? 

With birdcage commentary and preliminaries the obvious thing to do is ensure the favoured runners are always shown first however that is exactly what a bookmaking company does not want to do as it gives the experienced punter a potential advantage. That is why with horse racing the fairest betting medium is the tote when bookies are nowhere to be seen. Stranger things can happen. Maybe one day the likes of HK, NZ and Victoria will be one happy tote family. In the meantime whilst chasing a younger base, Entain are losing their older established customers turnover at an alarming rate.

Champagne turf is a title that should have been removed after 1999.

everytime I hear or read it, just makes me cringe. A title from the Rod & Rachel days

Edited 19 hours ago by Bill

[Shab]

3 hours ago, Jim Green said:

I only watched a few races but I did see the Oaks and Erin Leighton picked a horse paying $19 out of the yard and it ran 2nd just beaten. Must have a reasonable idea. 

A mate thinks she rides trackwork in matamata so probably worth a few dollars on when she picks matamata horses like Dubai Gold. He took the Quinella. I didnt

 

Most of these yard commentators have no idea. Maybe she knows what to look for.

I accidentally found myself watching The Form and Pam Gerard said she was super confident. Not a place bettor but I should have had a go at  $4.50 on the exchange. Went to back the winner earlier in the day and odds dropped on me from $1.50 to $1.45 so I left it. Shame to see the trainer of the winner lose the horse so hopefully he got well compensated.

[Backondryland]

10 hours ago, Wingman said:

The fault ultimately lies with Entain. They are a European bookmaking giant who thinks all punters are mugs and should be treated accordingly. This is why the viewer now gets waffle over substance. 

A few examples from todays coverage from Trentham, part of me was still in mourning at how the champagne turf is now yesterdays dregs.

Example 1; Race 2 roughie wins but really difficult to line up 2nd and 3rd, a nose in it and the fav eventually got the nod for 2nd. A lot of people would have been sweating on that result, particularly from a quinella perspective but not one word from the studio as to the official result

Example 2; Race 7 and 8. This one is 101 how to shoot yourself in the foot. After R7 they decided to put the result up in graphics. First 4 not struck and 26K carried forward. No mention of guaranteed pool so I look on the TAB website and it shows a pool of 32K with the word 'guaranteed' next to it. A minute or so before the start of the Oaks I had another look and the pool was now approx 132K, so I am guessing a 100k guarantee but incredibly on channel 62 no hype about it. 

Example 3; Race 9.  Platinum Attack was continually backed over two days into favouritism, a lot of chat about that however a late surge of support brought Glamour Tycoon into a similar price. The cameras meantime showed the horses walking around the birdcage and the presenters starting with number 1 and numerically working their way down the field gave us their waffle on each horse in picture. Platinum Attack was number 12 and the viewer was not shown the horse in the birdcage as the presenters ran out of time.

In summary re example 1 and 2, how hard is it to tell the viewer the judges call, and how difficult is it to advise the viewer of a carry over and a guaranteed pool? 

With birdcage commentary and preliminaries the obvious thing to do is ensure the favoured runners are always shown first however that is exactly what a bookmaking company does not want to do as it gives the experienced punter a potential advantage. That is why with horse racing the fairest betting medium is the tote when bookies are nowhere to be seen. Stranger things can happen. Maybe one day the likes of HK, NZ and Victoria will be one happy tote family. In the meantime whilst chasing a younger base, Entain are losing their older established customers turnover at an alarming rate.

They certainly are losing their customer base. Only 2 pods in Kaikoura these days and often not working as was the case yesterday again. I have online but I watched 3 potential customers unable to get a bet on getting really upset. Pitiful to see. They don't seem to care