Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 06:36 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 06:36 AM 7 minutes ago, Wingman said: Todays issue is a result of tracks being over used. No it's not. It's a factor of not maintaining them. Balcombe talks about tracks not coping with having 8 meetings a year versus 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wingman Posted Tuesday at 06:42 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:42 AM Well we will have to agree to disagree although at the risk of sounding fickle I believe we are both correct and on this I am unanimous 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted Tuesday at 07:02 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:02 AM 7 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: The negativity from the career racing folk was so huge that most in the racing community ,especially punters , were completely put off the Synthetic ...before it even started ...perception is reality ! Correct, that woman trainer from Riccarton is too thick to know that her third rate scrubbers aren't good enough to compete on firm grass/turf, whereas the Synthetic gives her a second crack. Her and the clown she's in bed with are also anti padded whips, yet the likes of J.B. Cummings and other successful horse personnel are/were pro non padded whips ! Elsewhere on this forum she referred to Winston Peters as clueless. If Peters is clueless, his predecessors were imbeciles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 07:03 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 07:03 AM 18 minutes ago, Wingman said: Well we will have to agree to disagree although at the risk of sounding fickle I believe we are both correct and on this I am unanimous Well just look at the number of meetings, trials and jumpouts that tracks like Cranbourne and Pakenham have per year. Bearing in mind that trials in OZ are the equivalent of races in NZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 07:04 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 07:04 AM 1 minute ago, billy connolly said: Elsewhere on this forum she referred to Winston Peters as clueless. If Peters is clueless, his predecessors were imbeciles. She is correct on both counts. Just ask Nathan Guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted Tuesday at 07:50 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:50 AM 6 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: If that's the case (which it isn't) how do you explain Te Akau entering 33 horses to trial at Taupo today when they don't sell their horses until they have finished racing? Te Akau are ONE stable the last time I looked. They plan carefully , and need to....they have a shit load of horses. 33 today , a lot of planning and organisation plus they stick closely to their processes generally getting two turf trials before horses race after a spell. On March 5 they had 31 trial at Taupo and a fewdays later had 17 at Ellerslie trials .In between they had 22 horses racing at 4 meetings including 11 on Champions day . Thats a shit load of planning and logistics. And they tell owners well in advance when their horses will be trialled . Often 6 x weeks in advance. Some stables would find it hard getting 3 x horses to trial on the same day let alone over 30 , twice within a couple weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted Tuesday at 07:55 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 07:55 AM (edited) 6 hours ago, curious said: Rubbish. Most horses trialing on turf are there to educate and condition them for racing on turf which is the majority of our racing. Wrong.....not rubbish ! I spoke to 3 x youngish ,emerging trainers recently and they emphasised how important the selling of young horses is to their operation. There was approx 100 2 yr olds hoping to run at Taupo today Edited Tuesday at 07:58 AM by TAB For Ever typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted Tuesday at 08:12 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:12 AM 9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: About 180 horses were to go round including 90 2yr olds. Apparently a lot of horses were balloted out as well. Te Akau had 33 horses entered! I was counting Lance O'Sullivan's entries and got up to 16 before NZTR started deleting the fields! Counting a problem aye Chief ! Help is available......closer to 120 x 2 yr olds entered there today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 08:16 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 08:16 AM 1 minute ago, TAB For Ever said: Counting a problem aye Chief ! Help is available......closer to 120 x 2 yr olds entered there today. Where do you get that figure from? NZTR deleted everything before I could finish counting. I counted 15 2yr old trials x 6 per trial. 15 x 6 = 90 does it not? Instead of waxing lyrical about how great things are and making off piste excuses why don't you just open your eyes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 08:17 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 08:17 AM 26 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: 33 today , a lot of planning and organisation plus they stick closely to their processes generally getting two turf trials before horses race after a spell. Yes but they weren't there as you asserted to win a trial so they could be "sold for big money". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 08:20 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 08:20 AM 23 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: There was approx 100 2 yr olds hoping to run at Taupo today You said 120 in a previous post. So between Wexford and Te Akau alone they had half the 2yr olds running around. They don't set up to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Tuesday at 08:53 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 08:53 AM 1 hour ago, billy connolly said: If Peters is clueless, his predecessors were imbeciles. Probably correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted Tuesday at 10:41 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 10:41 AM 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Where do you get that figure from? NZTR deleted everything before I could finish counting. I counted 15 2yr old trials x 6 per trial. 15 x 6 = 90 does it not? Instead of waxing lyrical about how great things are and making off piste excuses why don't you just open your eyes? No , they didnt delete everything...fields still there in Other meeting News. Right hand column under Taupo 25th march. Heats 22 to 26 were 1100m heats for 2 year olds....open your mind champ , you can't always be right ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Tuesday at 10:58 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 10:58 AM 17 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: No , they didnt delete everything...fields still there in Other meeting News. Right hand column under Taupo 25th march. Heats 22 to 26 were 1100m heats for 2 year olds....open your mind champ , you can't always be right ! Then why didn't you load the pdf here? I was counting the online version when they were deleted. But that aside - you assertion that the trails were for the purpose of selling horses is blatantly wrong. Now as has been pointed out to you there are many reasons for trialling a horse. Increasing fitness and education in race like conditions being the main reasons. Have you not been involved with racing much? Of does the marketing Kool-aid dull your memory? Racing Taupo Trials 25-03-2025 Acceptances.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Tuesday at 06:18 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 06:18 PM 11 hours ago, billy connolly said: Correct, that woman trainer from Riccarton is too thick to know that her third rate scrubbers aren't good enough to compete on firm grass/turf, whereas the Synthetic gives her a second crack. Her and the clown she's in bed with are also anti padded whips, yet the likes of J.B. Cummings and other successful horse personnel are/were pro non padded whips ! Elsewhere on this forum she referred to Winston Peters as clueless. If Peters is clueless, his predecessors were imbeciles. Probably be better to get rid of whip use in racing altogether then Snow, and we won't have to debate it any more, and you can concentrate on your bowls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted Tuesday at 09:56 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 09:56 PM 14 hours ago, billy connolly said: that woman trainer from Riccarton That Riccarton woman must feel flattered as you give her so much attention. Your mention of her sleeping arrangements suggest you must be lacking something warm and non verbal to snuggle up to. I think you are on the wrong channel to find what you are looking for. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted Tuesday at 11:29 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:29 PM 1 hour ago, Special Agent said: That Riccarton woman must feel flattered as you give her so much attention. Your mention of her sleeping arrangements suggest you must be lacking something warm and non verbal to snuggle up to. I think you are on the wrong channel to find what you are looking for. well said! I'm sure he will be outed sometime! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzenza365 Posted Tuesday at 11:51 PM Share Posted Tuesday at 11:51 PM I have watched this clown babble on continuously about Freda. I have known her for 50-plus years, and in that time, I would say that she is a very accomplished horsewoman. Yes, she doesn't get well-bred horses, and yes, again, a lot are cast-offs from other stables, but in my opinion, she has done a good job with what she has to work with. I have a clue who this clown is, but I will donate $100 to a charity to the person who can confirm tactfully who this Billy Connolly character is. When it is confirmed then I will critique his history and if it is the person I believe he is, it will be so much fun to embarrass his short career In Racing. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzenza365 Posted yesterday at 12:46 AM Share Posted yesterday at 12:46 AM I have just read Curious's post and I hope it is not the man I was thinking of. I thought he was a much better bloke from what I had seen in his Bully Boy comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted yesterday at 02:32 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:32 AM 3 hours ago, muzenza365 said: I have watched this clown babble on continuously about Freda. I have known her for 50-plus years, and in that time, I would say that she is a very accomplished horsewoman. Yes, she doesn't get well-bred horses, and yes, again, a lot are cast-offs from other stables, but in my opinion, she has done a good job with what she has to work with. M. Pitman didn't get fashionably bred stock either and he improved (considerably) every cast-off he got from other stables yet he started with less opportunity than the woman trainer in question and with a massive physical disability to boot. If I'd started in racing paying training fees to M. Pitman there's every chance I'd still be doing so 40 years later, if 40 years ago I'd started out with the (un)accomplished Riccarton horsewoman I'd have sacked her long ago. 3 hours ago, muzenza365 said: I have a clue who this clown is, but I will donate $100 to a charity to the person who can confirm tactfully who this Billy Connolly character is. Name is Connolly, Billy Connolly or Sir Billy Connolly to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muzenza365 Posted yesterday at 02:55 AM Share Posted yesterday at 02:55 AM 10 minutes ago, billy connolly said: M. Pitman didn't get fashionably bred stock either and he improved (considerably) every cast-off he got from other stables yet he started with less opportunity than the woman trainer in question and with a massive physical disability to boot. If I'd started in racing paying training fees to M. Pitman there's every chance I'd still be doing so 40 years later, if 40 years ago I'd started out with the (un)accomplished Riccarton horsewoman I'd have sacked her long ago. Name is Connolly, Billy Connolly or Sir Billy Connolly to you. 10 minutes ago, billy connolly said: M. Pitman didn't get fashionably bred stock either and he improved (considerably) every cast-off he got from other stables yet he started with less opportunity than the woman trainer in question and with a massive physical disability to boot. If I'd started in racing paying training fees to M. Pitman there's every chance I'd still be doing so 40 years later, if 40 years ago I'd started out with the (un)accomplished Riccarton horsewoman I'd have sacked her long ago. Name is Connolly, Billy Connolly or Sir Billy Connolly to you. What an arrogant prick,Sir. I am not disputing Micheal's record, arguably the best at placing horses to their best, Horses like Beks, El Chico etc You can have an opinion, equally, be ready to get a rebuttal on your opinion as it may come as a surprise to you, but when you single out anyone with your bully-boy tactics you will get a justified response. When I see Curious mention the name Snow and Bowls,I trust it is not the person I am thinking of.It would be so disappointing if it is,Just Saying. Now if you or anyone else wants $100 for exposing who this wolf in sheep's clothing is, just advise me in confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted yesterday at 03:01 AM Share Posted yesterday at 03:01 AM 28 minutes ago, billy connolly said: M. Pitman didn't get fashionably bred stock either and he improved (considerably) every cast-off he got from other stables yet he started with less opportunity than the woman trainer in question and with a massive physical disability to boot. If I'd started in racing paying training fees to M. Pitman there's every chance I'd still be doing so 40 years later, if 40 years ago I'd started out with the (un)accomplished Riccarton horsewoman I'd have sacked her long ago. Name is Connolly, Billy Connolly or Sir Billy Connolly to you. I'm struggling to see what on earth this has got to do with a fall in a trial at Taupo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 03:23 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 03:23 AM 50 minutes ago, billy connolly said: M. Pitman didn't get fashionably bred stock either and he improved (considerably) every cast-off he got from other stables yet he started with less opportunity than the woman trainer in question and with a massive physical disability to boot. If I'd started in racing paying training fees to M. Pitman there's every chance I'd still be doing so 40 years later, if 40 years ago I'd started out with the (un)accomplished Riccarton horsewoman I'd have sacked her long ago. Name is Connolly, Billy Connolly or Sir Billy Connolly to you. You're entitled to your opinion but I've had enough of your personal vendetta against @Freda. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 03:26 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 03:26 AM 22 minutes ago, Doomed said: I'm struggling to see what on earth this has got to do with a fall in a trial at Taupo. Agreed. However in saying that isn't it one of the issues with racing in NZ? We are quick to turn on our own for no reason at all. In doing so we become tribal and lose sight of the big issues like the state of the tracks. We reap what we sow. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted yesterday at 03:50 AM Share Posted yesterday at 03:50 AM (edited) 1 hour ago, billy connolly said: M. Pitman didn't get fashionably bred stock either and he improved (considerably) every cast-off he got from other stables yet he started with less opportunity than the woman trainer in question and with a massive physical disability to boot. Not sure about every cast-off but what you say is generally true though you left off the important bit about having a superb horse-woman at his side through out. Did something get up your nose on the weekend BC in order for you to launch this unprovoked vitriolic attack? Edited yesterday at 03:54 AM by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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