hesi Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) Further to what people like Mardigras, Barry, Curious, VC, FTF and any others have been talking about, I am trying to put together a comp, probably for March/April Suggestions? Format? Duration? Prize? etc etc Not over the top, like with 20-30 bets/ week, as someone has to run the thing Unless of course unless somebody offers with better spreadsheet skills than me. That should not be too hard, as I have none, don't even have Excel I am upgrading and reskilling this year. My youngest son, having just completed the first year of a Computer Science degree, helps PS: Only posted on this section, as many don't regularly read the Comps section, but would be run in the Comps section. No mulligans either N1MUE Edited January 3, 2019 by hesi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) I quite like what Barry was talking about takes away that lotto result also Benny said he had a few ideas I think Bazza would be the early favourite 4-1 Maybe pin it for a week or two Hesi Edited January 3, 2019 by Ghost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brown fox Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Would love to know Wolfs logic.He seems very consistent.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 A quick response now as away for the next few days. Some ideas. A set starting bank. A maximum bet size for any single event. Maybe a percentage of bank (say 10%) or other ideas. Ability to put a bet up any time but must be posted on site clearly before official planned start time. Not after that, even if race is running late. Bet allowed to be placed with any provider showing that odds defined are available through that provider (and if betfair being used, sufficient amount is available at price stated for bet). To keep it interesting, minimum number of bets per week. Minimum spend per week. Open to ideas. When placing bet, can state either closing fixed odds NZ TAB, closing tote odds NZ TAB or fixed odds from alternate provider, with simple image of odds from provider being claimed. I think there needs to be a rule around when the bet needs to be put up if quoting odds from another provider. Winner? Highest balance at end of comp? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted January 3, 2019 Author Share Posted January 3, 2019 Plenty of time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, hesi said: Plenty of time Mardigras has some good ideas Hesi, but will be complicated for most that enter comps. Majority on here will only have nz tab account, so going to be at a huge disadvantage when they bet on winner at tab paying $10, while someone gets $20 from Aus operator. Unless of course this comp is for those that have several accounts, and are more serious punters, which would work. Just my opinion, i think it is a good idea to get the more serious punters going in a comp, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, mardigras said: A quick response now as away for the next few days. Some ideas. A set starting bank. Yep, say a grand A maximum bet size for any single event. Maybe a percentage of bank (say 10%) or other ideas. Yep. But I'd say maybe 5% or for easier scoring 5% of starting bank. Trying to lessen the fluke/lottery factor. Ability to put a bet up any time but must be posted on site clearly before official planned start time. Not after that, even if race is running late. Yep + see below. Bet allowed to be placed with any provider showing that odds defined are available through that provider (and if betfair being used, sufficient amount is available at price stated for bet). Yep. You don't have to have accounts with other providers to see their odds Newmarket and make a hypothetical bet. To keep it interesting, minimum number of bets per week. Minimum spend per week. Open to ideas. Yep, depending how long comp runs, maybe 10-20% starting bank? Also, maybe a max? To make it manageable for the scorer/s. When placing bet, can state either closing fixed odds NZ TAB, closing tote odds NZ TAB or fixed odds from alternate provider, with simple image of odds from provider being claimed. I think there needs to be a rule around when the bet needs to be put up if quoting odds from another provider. Yep. On the latter, suggest that bets at FO need to be posted say within 30 minutes of the posted odds being available with a time stamped image? Winner? Highest balance at end of comp? Yep. Prize? Maybe ask the TAB to sponsor it! Any jurisdiction? Limited to NZ racing? Pretty much agree. Comments above. Edited January 4, 2019 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VC! Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Not too keen on limiting it to NZ racing prefer NZ and Australia as can’t even access the NZ Tab website The NZ TAB is not accessible from your current location. For more information please contact our customer services team on helpdesk@tab.co.nz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 hours ago, mardigras said: Ability to put a bet up any time but must be posted on site clearly before official planned start time. Not after that, even if race is running late. That might not suit the likes of Thomass and the BP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Curious, yes i understand you do not have to have overseas accounts to show bets in comp. But lets be realistic, how many are going to navigate other agencies sites to gain best value just for this comp. Thats the reason i said many that use only nz tab odds will be hugely disadvantaged. Logistics of what has been suggested seems like a heap of work, so what are you going to have, hundreds of screenshots of odds from around australasia? I am not being negative, and i am keen to be involved, but it would be good to include everyone on a level playing field. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I take your point Newmarket, but a big part of successful punting is getting the best price as Barryb has said on a number of occasions, so for the purpose of this type of comp, that is part of the skill being tested I think. It's a simple matter (a couple of clicks) to go somewhere like https://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/wolverhampton/19:45/winner and find the best price for any selection and decide if that amounts to value. The idea I think is in part to get away from comps where you have to bet hours before the race and have no clue at the time what the price you get in the comp will be. That's part of what makes those kind of comps a lottery rather than a test of skill to me. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Might I add - that posts can't be edited in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 17 minutes ago, curious said: I take your point Newmarket, but a big part of successful punting is getting the best price as Barryb has said on a number of occasions, so for the purpose of this type of comp, that is part of the skill being tested I think. It's a simple matter (a couple of clicks) to go somewhere like https://www.oddschecker.com/horse-racing/wolverhampton/19:45/winner and find the best price for any selection and decide if that amounts to value. The idea I think is in part to get away from comps where you have to bet hours before the race and have no clue at the time what the price you get in the comp will be. That's part of what makes those kind of comps a lottery rather than a test of skill to me. Yep, fair enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Sounds like a huge logistical exercise for whoever is running this. All well and good but I'm not that serious about this stuff so I'm out. I do understand the appeal though. It just seems that the wider the parameters the more work it is for the bloke running it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, VC! said: Not too keen on limiting it to NZ racing prefer NZ and Australia as can’t even access the NZ Tab website The NZ TAB is not accessible from your current location. For more information please contact our customer services team on helpdesk@tab.co.nz There is a way of navigating around that VC. My son in Perth showed me how . There may be some on here that have enough tech savvy to do the same. The comp may end up for only those really serious and with enough time and money to spend . That may limit it to a small few, which is fine. I watch with interest the comments of Mardigras , Curious and co. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk2_Zephyr Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) ... Edited January 4, 2019 by Mk2_Zephyr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 MK2, looks like he likes the 3 dot approach. This could be a new betting system the tab are just about to release. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandpiper Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Id ask that the minimum number of bets per week be low as am in the category of only having time to find a few value picks per week. No multiples or exotics also just to prevent higher variance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) Let's keep the input going for a while to see what materialises Duration of the comp? Would it just be for races on a Sat? Would it be restricted to Aus/NZ? Would there be a limitation on the number of bets per week? A suggestion, that posters score their own entry each week and someone just tabulates the scores, as a way around any excessive admin Your credibility as a poster is on the line if you deliberately tried to cheat, and someone is going to pick you up on it. Edited January 4, 2019 by hesi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 While some have said they would be disadvantaged by only going with NZ TAB FF prices, you could look at it as a challenge to take on those with a lot more sophistication in their modus operandi. A thorough beating may cause those to review the way they bet etc etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 I can score it if necessary. If it's simply, Competitors provide date, meeting, race, runner# (name), odds or odds basis, amount. No problems. Happy with NZ only but as VC suggests, Oz is a decent option. From a scoring perspective, I'd be happy with any jurisdictions. It can still be fun for those that just bet NZ TAB. It's similar to other comps except you choose the races and the amounts like doing your best bets etc in those comps. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, hesi said: A suggestion, that posters score their own entry each week and someone just tabulates the scores, as a way around any excessive admin Your credibility as a poster is on the line if you deliberately tried to cheat, and someone is going to pick you up on it. Can't see why that wouldn't work. Scorer would only have to do a verification of the apparent winner before declaring them then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crucible Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, hesi said: A suggestion, that posters score their own entry each week and someone just tabulates the scores, as a way around any excessive admin Your credibility as a poster is on the line if you deliberately tried to cheat, and someone is going to pick you up on it. I think you've hit the nail on the head here Hesi. To be a true test of ability to make a return, it needs to be free form and is very hard for one person to score (spreadsheet or no spreadsheet). Particularly difficult for someone to score centrally if you allow lots of different betting agencies. Honesty based self scoring with the knowledge that others are watching is the way to go. I don't think you need to set a minimum number of bets - different people will have different methods and some may go for a period of time without finding a bet that they like. I think you should run it over a reasonable period of time - a number of months, not weeks. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Crucible, that would allow for those who say only have time to post bets on a Saturday to join in, along with others who may have a few every raceday in whatever jurisdiction. So, the comp more resembles real life betting activity for the different posters. Those that only use NZTAB can do so or they can experiment with using other operators hypothetically without opening accounts with them. I'd suggest say a couple of months, say 1 March to April 30. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mk2_Zephyr Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 3 entrants all mouths, they can do they own scoring. It won't keep any of the three from bleating for 2 months, but at least they all be in their own little sandpit. Tomo can be referee .. I have but two questions for these fantastic value pickers, 1: Do you still have a mortgage ? 2: What type of car do you drive ? Answer me those two questions honestly and I will decide how valuable your tips are ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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