Newmarket Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Now you 3 Stipes. How about answering a question for me. We know that every punter, owner and trainer are looking for consistency. So come on do it, seems you favour some. Look at Scarlett Banner, raced yesterday 5th Jan at Rangiora, broke lost all chance. NO WARNING. 23rd Dec, Broke at Start, paced. NO WARNING. 14th Dec, Connections stated in foal, trotted roughly, could not be driven out. NO WARNING. 6th Dec, Paced at 2nd attempt at start, lost ground. NO WARNING. 30th Nov, Switched to pace, lost chance. NO WARNING. 13th Nov, Broke Start, switched to pace. NO WARNING. What the hell does this horse have to do to get a warning??? Please let me know 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Well, where does one start. Form line is probably just as important as the breaking : 2;P;9;7;2;13;14 It is a trotter so can pretty much break all it wants. The fact it goes out near enough favourite every start and it had a second three starts ago helps too so they may take the attitude the breaking comes with the territory with Scarlett Banner. A key factor which I can't answer is whether or not Scarlett Banner interferes with other horses when it breaks. That can draw more attention to it. The pacing is more of an issue. It should be required to trial satisfactorily (trot the whole way) If it is pacing as the punters are not getting a fair go. A trotter should be trotting! As for the stipes, I joke about the 'Beragio rule' where he broke 8 times in a row and they did nothing but that is about the standard they set. Breaking is not really on their radar. Probably requires too much follow up work etc so they can't be bothered. I see Andrew Stuart's horse Phoenix Arizona got a warning after only 2 breaks in a row. Even though its third to last start was a win from a stand! And Thornley can drive the way he did at Oamakau on Balraj and nothing is even asked yet then someone else can do the same and get hammered. I am confused. As an aside, Scarlett Banner is another horse the TAB really love as there is always money on it but no sane punter would touch it with a stipes report like what she has. Consistency? Don't hold your breath. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 Nice reply Happy, Going to compare this horse with a few others recently, that have had warnings. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Yet they will ask the stupid questions like why did Queen Bee Bardon seemingly improve from her run at Omakau. You are brain dead if you can not see it was obvious after getting beaten at Omakau against the open class pacers when driven with a 25sec first quarter in a race run in a 1:54 mile rate with a last 800m in 55.9, compared to her win yesterday in a 2:02 mile rate where she did no work early and jogged home against much weaker opposition in 58. Stop asking the stupid questions and come down harder on serial breakers and drivers who do not give favourites every chance to win! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 4, 2019 Author Share Posted January 4, 2019 46 minutes ago, Nowornever said: Yet they will ask the stupid questions like why did Queen Bee Bardon seemingly improve from her run at Omakau. You are brain dead if you can not see it was obvious after getting beaten at Omakau against the open class pacers when driven with a 25sec first quarter in a race run in a 1:54 mile rate with a last 800m in 55.9, compared to her win yesterday in a 2:02 mile rate where she did no work early and jogged home against much weaker opposition in 58. Stop asking the stupid questions and come down harder on serial breakers and drivers who do not give favourites every chance to win! Too true, some of the questions they ask trainers regarding a form reversal makes you laugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 is any one concerned with late scratching of days of change race 10 oamaru on december 1st Stewards: S Renault (Chairman), S Wallis, K Coppins DAYS OF CHANGE - refused to leave the pre-race circle and then shifted outwards onto the grass area on the outside of the track with the gelding unable to score up. Declared a non runner by Stewards under Rule 213(1)(e). Stood down to complete one satisfactory trial. and the non late scratching of kotare yolande race 8 central otago on january 2nd Stewards: V Munro (Chairman), N McIntyre, K Coppins KOTARE YOLANDE - broke in the score-up checking IDEAL DRAW, necessitating a false start be declared. Driver J Dunn elected to remain in his allotted position for the restart, however after further indiscretions the filly was sent to the Unruly position on the outside of the second line by the Starter Mr B Ward pursuant to Rule 860(8). A warning was placed on the mobile barrier record of the filly. Initially refused to exit the pre-race circle of the restart with the other runners and was very slow to begin, losing all chance. Following the running of this event the All Clear was withheld until the Stewards had viewed the replays and were satisfied this runner had not been denied a fair start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Well, where does one start. Form line is probably just as important as the breaking : 2;P;9;7;2;13;14 It is a trotter so can pretty much break all it wants. The fact it goes out near enough favourite every start and it had a second three starts ago helps too so they may take the attitude the breaking comes with the territory with Scarlett Banner. A key factor which I can't answer is whether or not Scarlett Banner interferes with other horses when it breaks. That can draw more attention to it. The pacing is more of an issue. It should be required to trial satisfactorily (trot the whole way) If it is pacing as the punters are not getting a fair go. A trotter should be trotting! As for the stipes, I joke about the 'Beragio rule' where he broke 8 times in a row and they did nothing but that is about the standard they set. Breaking is not really on their radar. Probably requires too much follow up work etc so they can't be bothered. I see Andrew Stuart's horse Phoenix Arizona got a warning after only 2 breaks in a row. Even though its third to last start was a win from a stand! And Thornley can drive the way he did at Oamakau on Balraj and nothing is even asked yet then someone else can do the same and get hammered. I am confused. As an aside, Scarlett Banner is another horse the TAB really love as there is always money on it but no sane punter would touch it with a stipes report like what she has. Consistency? Don't hold your breath. Scarlett Banner would have to be one of the unluckiest horses around. I think you will find it has received more checks than Brodie has likes. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, Westview said: Scarlett Banner would have to be one of the unluckiest horses around. I think you will find it has received more checks than Brodie has likes. Unlucky? Hardly. Agree it has been in a couple of false starts, and has been checked in a couple of minor incidents, but majority of horses would have stayed in its gait. It is pacing more than trotting recently, so maybe it is unlucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Nowornever said: Yet they will ask the stupid questions like why did Queen Bee Bardon seemingly improve from her run at Omakau. You are brain dead if you can not see it was obvious after getting beaten at Omakau against the open class pacers when driven with a 25sec first quarter in a race run in a 1:54 mile rate with a last 800m in 55.9, compared to her win yesterday in a 2:02 mile rate where she did no work early and jogged home against much weaker opposition in 58. Stop asking the stupid questions and come down harder on serial breakers and drivers who do not give favourites every chance to win! Yes, Here is question that was asked yesterday. We all knew that horse had been butchered lately. Maybe if they had read trainers response from late last month? Explains the stipe bullshit lately 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 Lightworkofit, Galloped and disrupted field in five starts before recieving a warning? Well, how about getting the nag to perform well at trials 3 times first before it next races? Christ, the horse is old enough to vote, it only went well when the positive was found dont you think? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Newmarket said: Lightworkofit, Galloped and disrupted field in five starts before recieving a warning? Well, how about getting the nag to perform well at trials 3 times first before it next races? Christ, the horse is old enough to vote, it only went well when the positive was found dont you think? Ha, I have just seen this horse is racing today at Timaru from a mobile. I am picking another gallop and its last race. I see today Bronson Munro driving, that is 7 different drivers in 7 starts! Must be a record 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: Ha, I have just seen this horse is racing today at Timaru from a mobile. I am picking another gallop and its last race. I see today Bronson Munro driving, that is 7 different drivers in 7 starts! Must be a record Yep, galloped twice. Cant wait to see stipes report. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Don't hold your breath, might be like Scarlett banners last start where commentator called her being checked and stripes saw nothing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlid Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 17 hours ago, Newmarket said: Now you 3 Stipes. How about answering a question for me. We know that every punter, owner and trainer are looking for consistency. So come on do it, seems you favour some. Look at Scarlett Banner, raced yesterday 5th Jan at Rangiora, broke lost all chance. NO WARNING. 23rd Dec, Broke at Start, paced. NO WARNING. 14th Dec, Connections stated in foal, trotted roughly, could not be driven out. NO WARNING. 6th Dec, Paced at 2nd attempt at start, lost ground. NO WARNING. 30th Nov, Switched to pace, lost chance. NO WARNING. 13th Nov, Broke Start, switched to pace. NO WARNING. What the hell does this horse have to do to get a warning??? Please let me know They are incapable of letting you know Newmarket.. The R.I.U.'s complete structure is out of control and has been from the very beginning with that arsehole of a man Cameron George and his dispicable behaviour. We are looking here at "Integrity" and that is very hard to come by with consistency in any circumstances. The restructuring of this Unit needs to be overhauld completely but who the hell do you turn to in achieving this. ? The 3 codes on this forum are mostly united in the incompetant way the R.I.U. are functioning....Godber I reckon is on the take, Whiterod in the Greyhounds is about to get his beans and is reportedly is on his bike... The trouble is they have already started replacing him with Hazz beens.....Most of us interact with these so called do gooders and quite honestly I would be a better bet for Honesty, Consistency and Integrity than any of these people. The best we can do is pressure Winnie for some form of common sense towards a common sense outcome....Don't hold your breath.....I reckon they are all out of touch with the real people and all that we ask for.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 If I was younger I would like to be a stipe. I would try to do more than just look good in a suit. Just dreaming but no joke. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlid Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Not many would ever get the chance to realise that Happy...you can be a good Stipe now if you pocess the Qualities required. age shouldn't be a barrier Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Westview said: Don't hold your breath, might be like Scarlett banners last start where commentator called her being checked and stripes saw nothing. Anything seems to send it into a gallop. Looks like it was pacing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 8 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Anything seems to send it into a gallop. Looks like it was pacing Is very temperamental , but I wouldn't mind its record as a trotter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 27 minutes ago, cichlid said: if you pocess the Qualities required. 4 suits and a latte? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 20 minutes ago, Westview said: Is very temperamental , but I wouldn't mind its record as a trotter Yes True, Dont get me wrong, it seems talented. But I just wonder is it fair for punters sending it around well supported. Comes a time when a bit of a break is required Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 2 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Yes True, Dont get me wrong, it seems talented. But I just wonder is it fair for punters sending it around well supported. Comes a time when a bit of a break is required Is apparently in foal, so that time is coming up very soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 51 minutes ago, cichlid said: Not many would ever get the chance to realise that Happy...you can be a good Stipe now if you pocess the Qualities required. age shouldn't be a barrier Of course we may ask who sets the parameters upon which someone becomes a stipe of "quality. Old boys school through and through, and a monumental disgrace. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 33 minutes ago, Westview said: Is apparently in foal, so that time is coming up very soon Yes, i did state it was in foal in first post. That was another thought, do the stipes go easy on the horses connections just because it is nearly finished? Not fair to punters is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 22 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Yes, i did state it was in foal in first post. That was another thought, do the stipes go easy on the horses connections just because it is nearly finished? Not fair to punters is it Probably not but I reckon you mentioned a far worse trotter on this thread, what I hate is a horse that constantly checks other runners. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 5, 2019 Author Share Posted January 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Newmarket said: Lightworkofit, Galloped and disrupted field in five starts before recieving a warning? Well, how about getting the nag to perform well at trials 3 times first before it next races? Christ, the horse is old enough to vote, it only went well when the positive was found dont you think? Well, Horse gets final warning, so still free to line up and disrupt the field. Yet Darryl Kerrigan goes straight to the pool room until he trials? Go figure, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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