Tuesday- 2 low class meetings competing against each other?

[Brodie]

Not too sure why HRNZ would program Addington and Cambridge meetings running against each other on Tuesday?

Surely they are competing for the same dollar and personally believe they couldve run one of the meetings on a different day?

There will be more wagering on Addington and Cambridge turnover will be poor!

Is there anyone with business sense got any good reason why this is happening?

Just seems crazy on a Tuesday!

They seem on a route of trying to reduce turnover in several ways, Entain obviously has its reasons?

 

[Nowornever]

Nothing surprises me anymore with the programming.

Actually I was expecting it. 

 

[Doomed]

Entain appear to have no idea how racing works in NZ, and don't get much help from the two codes who appear to have even less idea.

Nothing Entain does regarding programming seems designed to maximise turnovers. The Sunday congestion is another example of that. And the enormous gaps between races on Sundays means they no-longer see Sundays as an opportunity to encourage on course attendances.

I can only assume that a lot of their decisions are based on overseas theories. If something works overseas they assume it will work in NZ. They don't seem to realise we are a special case, for better or worse.

[Chief Stipe]

14 minutes ago, Doomed said:

Nothing Entain does regarding programming seems designed to maximise turnovers.

Why do you think ENTAIN sets the programme?  They may have input but I thought the codes set the calendar/programme.  Now the codes have less incentive to work together so some of the issues are due to competition.

[Brodie]

43 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Why do you think ENTAIN sets the programme?  They may have input but I thought the codes set the calendar/programme.  Now the codes have less incentive to work together so some of the issues are due to competition.

They need to be working together Chief, to get the best result.

It really does show that there is not much leadership going on and HRNZ are acting as if this dosh  that Entain is throwing in with gay abandon is never ending?

The industry needs to wake up as it is going to get a rude awakening.

[mikeynz]

I would imagine the new calendar will be released someday soon.

[Chief Stipe]

4 hours ago, Brodie said:

They need to be working together Chief, to get the best result.

It really does show that there is not much leadership going on and HRNZ are acting as if this dosh  that Entain is throwing in with gay abandon is never ending?

The industry needs to wake up as it is going to get a rude awakening.

I don't disagree but HRNZ have shown poor judgement in this area a long time before ENTAIN turned up.  Now that dogs are going HRNZ need to step up.  Excuse the pun but it's dog eat dog.

[Doomed]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

I don't disagree but HRNZ have shown poor judgement in this area a long time before ENTAIN turned up.  Now that dogs are going HRNZ need to step up.  Excuse the pun but it's dog eat dog.

It's quite sad to see the way the trots have lost their way in the south. They appear to be just floundering around at present and gradually fading away. Who would have thought back in the 70s and 80s that Riccarton would eventually take over from Addington as the big show in town.

Does anyone have any thoughts about when and why it all went wrong?

[Nowornever]

11 minutes ago, Doomed said:

Who would have thought back in the 70s and 80s that Riccarton would eventually take over from Addington as the big show in town.

Does anyone have any thoughts about when and why it all went wrong?

Not sure either is a big show in town.  Public are not turning up at both venues like they once did as far as I know.

When trackside started broadcasting free to air I stopped going to the races like I once did. Much easier to sit in the comfort of your own home and watch the races and other sports without filling in the 30mins between races.

[Nowornever]

Stopping the pick six and place six also stopped a lot of punters in my opinion. Where they once competed with lotto they can not do that anymore. 

Give us some bet types that will pay hundreds of thousands not thousands to get those players back in the game.

 

[the galah]

the 2 meetings on a tuesday is an interesting concept.

Maybe it has something to do with easter,but on the face of it,it would appear to make more sense to run one of those meetings on a wednesday.

looking at the sky racing schedule,its indicates neither meeting will get any sky racing 1 coverage. Just sky racing 2. Some nz midweek harness meetings do get some races covered by sky racing 1,but the tuesday meetings don't,going by this months schedule.

So that means the turnovers  are going to be small.

HRNZ never talk about sky 1 being a consideration in their allocation of dates.Given it has such significant impact on turnovers,you wonder why.

another couple of things about the 2 meetings races being run 10 minutes apart,of course means lots of people who do happen to follow the 2 meetings,will only be financial enough to go from race to race and given it seems to take the current tab so long to confirm races or post results,turnover will be impacted to a degree because of that

If they think people put double in their accounts to spend, because theres 2 meetings on. or those who would normally bet on every race,will do so when 2 meetings are run on the same day,simply don't understand punters.

but i do think,big picture, these type of meetings are good for the industry.

The only thing about them that i don't agree with is the allocation of more of them to areas which have the least horses and the running of so many more races with penalty free conditions in the north island. Why the preferential treatment for them in that respect,when compared to canterbury.

Edited Monday at 07:28 AM by the galah

[Brodie]

To be fair, the TAB along with the Clubs have both contributed to the fact that the numbers that now attend on course has dwindled so much without doubt!

Firstly they have brought in massive betting restrictions on those that would significantly increase their turnover and bring other people with them.

Punters that would be betting before going on course are now not bothering, which is going to continue to haunt the clubs and TAB.

Secondly and very importantly, the totally pathetic $1k Anti Money Laundering limit is dramatically stopping wagering!

The TAB are actually breaking the law by having the limit of $1k when the law actually states a limit of $10k or such!

The reason they adopt such a low limit is so they can control the punters, but it is to their detriment financially and otherwise!

 

Edited Monday at 07:39 AM by Brodie

[Nowornever]

The TAB never think about the flow on effects for many of their idiotic decisions. When you limit betting opportunities and shut down the potential for big payouts, you also kill the excitement and mystique that surrounds those rare, life-changing collects. The buzz disappears, fewer people talk about them, and the dream of landing a big win fades. That ripple effect doesn’t grow the game—it shrinks it.

[Chief Stipe]

On 13/04/2025 at 6:04 PM, Brodie said:

Not too sure why HRNZ would program Addington and Cambridge meetings running against each other on Tuesday?

Are they competing against themselves or the SEVEN Australian Harness meetings on the same night?  Yes it isn't an exact overlap but doesn't it give the NZ meetings first crack at the punters dollar?

[Brodie]

5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Are they competing against themselves or the SEVEN Australian Harness meetings on the same night?  Yes it isn't an exact overlap but doesn't it give the NZ meetings first crack at the punters dollar?

But there are not that many punters that would be wanting to punt on harness on a Tuesday let alone Cambridge?

[mikeynz]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

But there are not that many punters that would be wanting to punt on harness on a Tuesday let alone Cambridge?

Some of those races at Winton, turnover looks pretty modest.

I'm just going by win pools and Quaddies, gotta have something to use as a yardstick.

Edited Thursday at 05:03 AM by mikeynz

[Brodie]

The interesting thing is that certain punters are restricted to pathetically low amounts by the TAB!

These punters would be increasing turnover dramatically if they were not so restricted and  also having betting options withdrawn from them!

And yet, the NZ TAB is prepared to lose significant amounts on many of their meetings that they run, knowingly?

This can not continue,  and they will one day realise that they are very poor decision makers, and will not end well!

 

[mikeynz]

Strangely a big spike in turnover for the last at Winton. 5 15 or so, must have got some Xtra with no Auckland and pubs maybe filling up, who knows.

[the galah]

23 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

Strangely a big spike in turnover for the last at Winton. 5 15 or so, must have got some Xtra with no Auckland and pubs maybe filling up, who knows.

yes ,that always happens when they are run in those timeslots near ther end of the working day. like you said,it would be people in pubs,people home from work,with the australian $ invested significantly impacting turnovers around that time.

Most likely that last race also got some ok lead in sky coverag as well.

another factor with that last race was there was a false start and the race was delayed. Whenever that happens and its in a good time slot to start with,the pools always increase.The tabcorp win pool on the last race  was $11,000.more than double any other ace.And 5 times more than the early races for them.

from my observations,a part of that increase has to be a lot of people,most likely in australia,betting on what they think is the next race to go. About a year ago i gave the example of how a win pool for a race at the gore trots run in the right time slot,got to just under $20,000 after being delayed for close to half an hour,but it continued to pop up as the next race to go every 10 minutes or so..

it just goes to show who's really betting.

Only problem with those delayed races is they sometimes won't get shown on aussie tv so people over there wouldn't be too impreesed they had bet on a race from nz that they may not even get to see sometimes..