Ben from Betcha?

[Nowornever]

There is either no money in the pools and a couple of hundred dollars can massively shift the market or they are getting hit all over the place and are plugging holes. 

I have never seen anything like it tonight with the market moves.

 

[Nowornever]

the above example was race 9 but race 8 was just as bad.

[Nowornever]

Four Wise Women opening $4.60  and out to 31.00 WTF is that all about.

Yes the trial was ok but that was against horses who would be 101 or above in this field.

Was always going to be double figures closing. Wow can not wait for the grass track racing.. 

[Brodie]

Nowornever, I can assure you that it tskes very very little money going on to make the so called Bookies to slash fixed odds drastically.

They are now not letting you on for anything like they were and even the small amount they let you on for they slash the odds several times.

The thing is if one punter gets a small amount in and then slash the odds that is the end of money going on that horse from others, as any value is gone.

They are just so risk averse except from taking bets from one or two ounters who have more money than sense!

Last night on Trackside they announced a big bet alert!

$1k @ $1.65 LOL.

Gee they must be very scared with that?

 

[Gammalite]

On 6/8/2025 at 7:31 PM, Gammalite said:

I've got a special for you Mr Galah . you're a good judge who does know a good horse when you see one ,that is actually worth investing on.  100-1 Leap To Fame. you're a big chance.

He won brilliantly last night yet again . burying them off starting off a 30m handicap over the short 2100m . 

you're asking how do we get 100-1. ?  

well I went along last night to see him go and Grant said he has the winner of the Rising Sun as well . FATE AWAITS. he won quite brilliantly last night too. ( and won this time last year in 1.50 as a 2 year-old) he is certainly the real deal.

Our Best trainer driver here Pete McMullen also won with Fast trotter GUS. Gus waltzing away from them in a 2100m stand off 30m as well. Not an easy feat by any stretch of the imagination. Pete said he has him 'cherry ripe for the Interdominion'  trot home town advantage next month. Make no mistake, without the defending Champion The Locomotive nor Keayang Zahara attending this Interdom Trot , he is a huge chance.

so there you go. 

I've only put a tenner on so far to win 1000 but will likely take more. ( plus some Emma Stewart and the Janitor savers)

Fate Awaits ($7.00 in the Rising Sun July5th) x GUS ($11.00 for the Interdomion trot Grand Final July 19th)

into Leap To Fame  ( $1.30 for the Interdominion Pacers Grand Final July 19th) 

7 x 11 x 1.3 = 100-1  riding on Leap To Fame . you won't get that everyday 😆. our winning Fate Awaits lol 😉💰 

don't say I don't look after you  . better keep it quiet from the Brodster though 😉.

STEP 1 Complete . Fate Awaits mugs em' nicely in the $300k  Rising Sun Group 1. 

The Janitor a Brave 2nd with the Saver too  , and a $30 Quinella in Da Bank .  you can't help but win on these Top horses. 

Bring on Gus and Leap To Fame in 2 weeks time . could be the 2 Interdominion Champs then. Cheer em' On !!! 

 

[the galah]

27 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

STEP 1 Complete . Fate Awaits mugs em' nicely in the $300k  Rising Sun Group 1. 

The Janitor a Brave 2nd with the Saver too  , and a $30 Quinella in Da Bank .  you can't help but win on these Top horses. 

Bring on Gus and Leap To Fame in 2 weeks time . could be the 2 Interdominion Champs then. Cheer em' On !!! 

 

good tipping there gammalite.Once it got the run behind its stablemate it always looked good.the dixons do that a lot,the slightly more favoured runner does the work and the stablemate gets the economical run. The draws meant they could do that and your tip was good enough to capitalise on the nice run it got.  

the horse quality is high tonight,but the racing i thinks not been very exciting.

it seems in every race tonight they settle in their positions,no one moves up,then only go average speed, then they sprint home from the 800m and the ones up front naturally don't stop.

it was like in every race the drivers were witing for next week. a bit like watching racing at auckland,but just had more horses in them.

acrually you mention gus. I watched some of his runs before and after you tipped him a month ago. I'm sure hes the best trotter there,i just don't have  much confidence in the driver,p mcmullen.He just keeps getting beaten by just following them around ,seemingly waitng for next week.Again he drove a poorly judged race tonight.i'm sure if he had say b orange driving he would have won all his recent starts,apart from the one he galloped at the start in.bet and win the only other chance in the final.

the way leap to fame won,it looked like he might even be getting better,if thats possible.

anyway,you've got the first of the three legs in.2 to go.

Edited yesterday at 11:11 AM by the galah

[the galah]

9 minutes ago, the galah said:

good tipping there gammalite.Once it got the run behind its stablemate it always looked good.the dixons do that a lot,the slightly more favoured runner does the work and the stablemate gets the economical run. The draws meant they could do that and your tip was good enough to capitalise on the nice run it got.  

the horse quality is high tonight,but the racing i thinks not been very exciting.

it seems in every race tonight they settle in their positions,no one moves up,then only go average speed, then they sprint home from the 800m and the ones up front naturally don't stop.

it was like in every race the drivers were witing for next week. a bit like watching racing at auckland,but just had more horses in them.

acrually you mention gus. I watched some of his runs before and after you tipped him a month ago. I'm sure hes the best trotter there,i just don't have  much confidence in the driver,p mcmullen.He just keeps getting beaten by just following them around ,seemingly waitng for next week.Again he drove a poorly judged race tonight.i'm sure if he had say b orange driving he would have won all his recent starts,apart from the one he galloped at the start in.bet and win the only other chance in the final.

the way leap to fame won,it looked like he might even be getting better,if thats possible.

anyway,you've got the first of the three legs in.2 to go.

i just watched another race before i go to bed and the commentator said the same,just a sprint home,the backmarkers had no chance..

[Gammalite]

33 minutes ago, the galah said:

good tipping there gammalite.Once it got the run behind its stablemate it always looked good.the dixons do that a lot,the slightly more favoured runner does the work and the stablemate gets the economical run. The draws meant they could do that and your tip was good enough to capitalise on the nice run it got.  

the horse quality is high tonight,but the racing i thinks not been very exciting.

it seems in every race tonight they settle in their positions,no one moves up,then only go average speed, then they sprint home from the 800m and the ones up front naturally don't stop.

it was like in every race the drivers were witing for next week. a bit like watching racing at auckland,but just had more horses in them.

acrually you mention gus. I watched some of his runs before and after you tipped him a month ago. I'm sure hes the best trotter there,i just don't have  much confidence in the driver,p mcmullen.He just keeps getting beaten by just following them around ,seemingly waitng for next week.Again he drove a poorly judged race tonight.i'm sure if he had say b orange driving he would have won all his recent starts,apart from the one he galloped at the start in.bet and win the only other chance in the final.

the way leap to fame won,it looked like he might even be getting better,if thats possible.

anyway,you've got the first of the three legs in.2 to go.

I always say the racing is ruined by too many in a race. they start to get in each others way a fair bit more than normal. With Many horses chasing a start in these Big money races this Month,  they decided to start 12 horses every race instead of our usual 10.  it just causes issues. there's traffic jams.  USA is way best with 8 runners all the time . They all get a chance every race. even from the back of the field. is hard to get held up. 

1 hour ago, the galah said:

acrually you mention gus. I watched some of his runs before and after you tipped him a month ago. I'm sure hes the best trotter there,i just don't have  much confidence in the driver,p mcmullen.He just keeps getting beaten by just following them around ,

Gus was enormous . He was at the back from his unruly position and 12 lengths from the lead a lap out and beat just half head at the end. A sensational effort looping 4 wide from the quarter way up outside Oscar B.  and beat him by 2 lengths at the end. the Longer races coming up next 2 weeks will be more his liking too. A fabulous trotter.  

I have a high opinion of his driver Pete's driving which differs to yours , but that's fine. it's just opinion.

I looked up his season record and they put last 10 drives there too. Pete McMullen had 1 win and 4 second places in his last 10 drives so just average I spose. Grants last 10 drives were a win with Leap to Fame and 2 x 3rds  . so seems quite average as well 🤔  . Races are VERY hard to win Mr Galah 😅. these 2 are our very best still. 

Have near 10,000 race WINS between them . incredible stuff.  

for this season Pete has 480 drives for 116 wins so not too bad at all so far .  Usually has about 1500 drives per year for about 300 wins per year.   and Grant Dixon has about 1000 drives per year for around 150-200 wins so not quite as good as Pete. 

Pete McMullen taking about half as 'outside' drives from his own horses too , and Grant hardly any at all.

[Brodie]

23 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

I always say the racing is ruined by too many in a race. they start to get in each others way a fair bit more than normal. With Many horses chasing a start in these Big money races this Month,  they decided to start 12 horses every race instead of our usual 10.  it just causes issues. there's traffic jams.  USA is way best with 8 runners all the time . They all get a chance every race. even from the back of the field. is hard to get held up. 

Gus was enormous . He was at the back from his unruly position and 12 lengths from the lead a lap out and beat just half head at the end. A sensational effort looping 4 wide from the quarter way up outside Oscar B.  and beat him by 2 lengths at the end. the Longer races coming up next 2 weeks will be more his liking too. A fabulous trotter.  

I have a high opinion of his driver Pete's driving which differs to yours , but that's fine. it's just opinion.

I looked up his season record and they put last 10 drives there too. Pete McMullen had 1 win and 4 second places in his last 10 drives so just average I spose. Grants last 10 drives were a win with Leap to Fame and 2 x 3rds  . so seems quite average as well 🤔  . Races are VERY hard to win Mr Galah 😅. these 2 are our very best still. 

Have near 10,000 race WINS between them . incredible stuff.  

for this season Pete has 480 drives for 116 wins so not too bad at all so far .  Usually has about 1500 drives per year for about 300 wins per year.   and Grant Dixon has about 1000 drives per year for around 150-200 wins so not quite as good as Pete. 

Pete McMullen taking about half as 'outside' drives from his own horses too , and Grant hardly any at all.

McMullen’s when they trained used to have very weak finishing horses a decade or two ago.

They used to pull hard and then stop but then again they were poorly bred even though they would win races at Parklands!

MELTON was the prefix and they were trained I believe by John McMullen and Peter was driving them often, so he must've improved a lot from driving better stockz,

[the galah]

9 hours ago, Gammalite said:

I always say the racing is ruined by too many in a race. they start to get in each others way a fair bit more than normal. With Many horses chasing a start in these Big money races this Month,  they decided to start 12 horses every race instead of our usual 10.  it just causes issues. there's traffic jams.  USA is way best with 8 runners all the time . They all get a chance every race. even from the back of the field. is hard to get held up. 

Gus was enormous . He was at the back from his unruly position and 12 lengths from the lead a lap out and beat just half head at the end. A sensational effort looping 4 wide from the quarter way up outside Oscar B.  and beat him by 2 lengths at the end. the Longer races coming up next 2 weeks will be more his liking too. A fabulous trotter.  

I have a high opinion of his driver Pete's driving which differs to yours , but that's fine. it's just opinion.

I looked up his season record and they put last 10 drives there too. Pete McMullen had 1 win and 4 second places in his last 10 drives so just average I spose. Grants last 10 drives were a win with Leap to Fame and 2 x 3rds  . so seems quite average as well 🤔  . Races are VERY hard to win Mr Galah 😅. these 2 are our very best still. 

Have near 10,000 race WINS between them . incredible stuff.  

for this season Pete has 480 drives for 116 wins so not too bad at all so far .  Usually has about 1500 drives per year for about 300 wins per year.   and Grant Dixon has about 1000 drives per year for around 150-200 wins so not quite as good as Pete. 

Pete McMullen taking about half as 'outside' drives from his own horses too , and Grant hardly any at all.

I don't doubt what you say about mcmullen being a very good driver.

Its just the way he consistently drives gus which i lack confidence in.

I saw him interviewed before last nights the race and he said the interdom final has been there aim all season with gus and i think that shows. Its a bit like marketplace using lead in races to have it peak for the big races.And i think like marketplace,gus is deliberately being underdriven and punters can see that and when they see it happening over and over then they think thats just a bit dodgy.thats my opinion anyway.the all stars were our best example of trainers who could perepare their horses and drive them in a way where punters had confidence they were always trying.,unlike the way i see gus.

i'm of course looking at it from a punters perspective and how that impacts whether people bet on the races.

i woulldn't be surprised to see him make a move  in the final. That may turn out good for him if he doesn't have to work too hard after making the move,but it could also turn out bad for him because his horse has been conditioned to be a softie recently mentally and it may just say,this is harder than normal and gallop.

i actually think p mcmullen is the reason a lot of those races at albion park are a bit boring. Hes a clever driver who,if he drives a favorite with a nice draw,likes to position them on the front end,whether it be in front or parked. And when he sits parked,he dictates the pace to suit him and the rest of the drivers seem to get intimidated into worrying about having to work too hard to get past him if they make a move and simply just wait and in effect  throw away there chances.

that of course also comes back to the factor of faster tracks being more boring because its too hard for those at the back to make a move

Edited 15 hours ago by the galah

[Gammalite]

8 hours ago, Brodie said:

McMullen’s when they trained used to have very weak finishing horses a decade or two ago.

They used to pull hard and then stop but then again they were poorly bred even though they would win races at Parklands!

MELTON was the prefix and they were trained I believe by John McMullen and Peter was driving them often, so he must've improved a lot from driving better stockz,

Absolutely spot on Brodie  . John McMullen (Jnr)  is still going and does exactly that still . Has quite a large team out Marburg way (West Brisbane ) and they All race at the very slow meetings. He just has your everyday 'Westport' type horses that are worth nothing , and race for not much, and some still have the Melton prefix  too.

John junior's ( we always called him 'junior forever)  young daughter Taleah drives all those for him.  Pete drove them for his dad up to 7 years ago when Taleah left school and took over.  she is still quite young at 24 . but has over 600 winning drives already. so they do win some races alright. nearly every week.

 Just checked Redcliffe and YES, a winner last Wednesday as par usual 'Taylors Four; , and also having a start was 'Melton Insulted' for them . so the Melton prefix you indicated 👍 . I raced John many times and we had a few quinella's late last century. but we aren't/weren't good enough to have Metro class city horses. 

'Melton Insulted' with the ABSOLUTE  STOCK STANDARD form of a QLD country horse of 24 starts this year for 2 wins and 3 seconds. He'll probably double that exactly,  by the end of the year to Break even for his owners in the expenses.  none of Johns horses are worth anything but he has fun paddling around still . 

In contrast , Pete McMullen is an Absolute STAR of the show. Has all City class(near  Group racing quality horses) worth a HEAP of money (like The Janitor)  has Millionaire owners , like Mike TANEV that Canadian 'Aardie'  bloke , who has sent Pete a few horses including 2 full bred siblings of NZ champion mare Aardies Express. Pete is reaching the Stratisphere . ( just like Carter is there) 

and  i'm hoping Pete reaches the ultimate Peak of Interdominion Champion in 2 weeks time with GUS.  in the trot. Bit nervous about BET N WIN though 😎

[mikeynz]

5 hours ago, Gammalite said:

All race at the very slow meetings. He just has your everyday 'Westport' type horses that are worth nothing , and race for not much.

👍 

Now come on Gamma why be negative about Westport ?..the Boxing Day meeting they run is one of the biggest event turnover wise for the season, if the funds generated went back to the Club then maybe they could run a Kaikoura type meeting instead of running a 25000 cup race thats seems to  begetting decimated more and more each year by running same ratings race in Canterbury 3 days later, why should they be subsidizing Auckland who are losing the industry money, gee got to stand up for the little guys here, it's not all about the ribbon of light.

[mikeynz]

3 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

Now come on Gamma why be negative about Westport ?..the Boxing Day meeting they run is one of the biggest event turnover wise for the season, if the funds generated went back to the Club then maybe they could run a Kaikoura type meeting instead of running a 25000 cup race thats seems to  begetting decimated more and more each year by running same ratings race in Canterbury 3 days later, why should they be subsidizing Auckland who are losing the industry money, gee got to stand up for the little guys here, it's not all about the ribbon of light. I can imagine the Westport Cup 20000 following on a week after the Invers Cup, no need to worry about Auckland Cup on New Years eve.

Maybe when Alexandra Park gets put out of its misery it's a goer.

 

Edited 9 hours ago by mikeynz

[Gammalite]

8 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

Now come on Gamma why be negative about Westport ?..the Boxing Day meeting they run is one of the biggest event turnover wise for the season, if the funds generated went back to the Club then maybe they could run a Kaikoura type meeting instead of running a 25000 cup race thats seems to  begetting decimated more and more each year by running same ratings race in Canterbury 3 days later, why should they be subsidizing Auckland who are losing the industry money, gee got to stand up for the little guys here, it's not all about the ribbon of light.

I'm not. Just saying the Westport type horses are not the quality that can win in the city. (Addington/Auckland , etc.

Of course they can have their meetings 😅  . Sundays are good  . We in QLD are running MARBURG right at this very minute Today , with No one watching , and no one worried about turnover, as No one is betting lol . Just some people having FUN with very Slow horses that can only run 29-30 second quarters so just go around for $4000 races with about $2300 to the winner , because that's about all the horses are worth anyway.  Is excellent they are putting races on for these 'Westport' /Marburg type horses. Harness racing not just for the Elite Trainers . Is a great Sport. 

Hell even 'Melton Insulted'  mentioned earlier today is in , about an hour from now.  No Punter in his right mind is gunna bet on these Westport - Marburg type horses that has Any respect for their money. These are just hobbyists having a good time. The Real CLASS Acts race on Friday night NZ and Sat night OZ . they are World Class and much more deserving of the Punting dollar. If you respect getting some quality for your dollar that is 😂

But shut Auckland if you must 🙄 , all those class acts of Herlihy, Stonewalls, Barry Purdon with that many records it's embarrassing, and many many more, big time owners and sponsors.  once they're gone, they're gone.  Auckland Cup a fine traditional race WON by Champions. un-sure why you hate it so much.( Gammalite even won it lol 🏆💰)

Long Live Westport and Marburg though 🏆🍻 

    

 

[mikeynz]

😁

[mikeynz]

44 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

 😅  

But shut Auckland if you must 🙄 , all those class acts of Herlihy, Stonewalls, Barry Purdon with that many records it's embarrassing, and many many more, big time owners and sponsors.  once they're gone, they're gone.  Auckland Cup a fine traditional race WON by Champions. un-sure why you hate it so much.( Gammalite even won it lol 🏆💰)

 

    

 

The Herilys and the like they could move, Pukekohes trainers may be soon if they're is no traing centre.😎

 

 

 

I'm really just taking the piss😁

Edited 8 hours ago by mikeynz

[Gammalite]

51 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

The Herilys and the like they could move, Pukekohes trainers may be soon if they're is no traing centre.😎

 

 

 

I'm really just taking the piss😁

That seems what they're trying to do . to get a few bucks. Steven Reid already gone to South Island to get away from the Pukekohe 'nightmare sale.'   is quite a poor solution for sure . 

Tony is an old man now,  and knows the End is near for harness. Not his fault . he still tried to buy yearlings for clients and get some of them to the races as best he could. He'll just retire when the time comes with the industry winding down . Has had a fabulous career , and got the very Big wins for his great 'Purdon In-laws' too driving to show the world class level he Always operated at. Winning NZ Cups for Roy and BarryP with Chokin ,Christopher Vance and Luxury Liner. that is quite a Hattrick !!! 🏆🏆🏆

'Bolt for Brilliance' was trotting Super late in Tony's career too , before the injury.  and gave him some real thrills last few years. 

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

That seems what they're trying to do . to get a few bucks. Steven Reid already gone to South Island to get away from the Pukekohe 'nightmare sale.'   is quite a poor solution for sure . 

Tony is an old man now,  and knows the End is near for harness. Not his fault . he still tried to buy yearlings for clients and get some of them to the races as best he could. He'll just retire when the time comes with the industry winding down . Has had a fabulous career , and got the very Big wins for his great 'Purdon In-laws' too driving to show the world class level he Always operated at. Winning NZ Cups for Roy and BarryP with Chokin ,Christopher Vance and Luxury Liner. that is quite a Hattrick !!! 🏆🏆🏆

'Bolt for Brilliance' was trotting Super late in Tony's career too , before the injury.  and gave him some real thrills last few years. 

its not all doom and gloom gammalite.

as i've said before ,never let a crisis go to waste.

i know we all think we are  experts on aucklandt,but really any half wit can see they should cut out  the dillusional thinking and start talking about where the auckland club will relaocate to.

As soon as they do that,they can then start talking positive and selling the future.

I wonder,are some people making decisions hanging onto to auckland at alexandra park because they see their own source of income being reduced.who knows but some of the things those people say are odd.

but anyways gammalite 

their last annual report(2024),which came out in november,said they had net assets of 93.4 million.At that point they said they only owed the bank $76 million,so that loan would may have gone up a bit,but say ,hypothetically they were able to sell everything they had tomorrow,they would still have ,at a guess get  between 80-90 million.

so  instead of making it all a long painful death of alexandra park,they should start thinking about the bright furure they have somewhere else..

hows that for a positive spin. that should qualify me for a  job at hrnz or the atc.

Edited 5 hours ago by the galah

[the galah]

5 minutes ago, the galah said:

its not all doom and gloom gammalite.

as i've said before ,never let a crisis go to waste.

i know we all think we are  experts on aucklandt,but really any half wit can see they should cut out  the dillusional thinking and start talking about where the auckland club will relaocate to.

As soon as they do that,they can then start talking positive and selling the future.

I wonder,are some people making decisions hanging onto to auckland at alexandra park because they see their own source of income being reduced.who knows but some of the things those people say are odd.

but anyways gammalite 

their last annual report(2024),which came out in november,said they had net assets of 93.4 million.At that point they said they only owed the bank $76 million,so that loan would may have gone up a bit,but say ,hypothetically they were able to sell everything they had tomorrow,they would still have ,at a guess get  between 80-90 million.

so  instead of making it all a long painful death of alexandra park,they should start thinking about the bright furure they have somewhere else..

hows that for a positive spin. that should qualify me for a  job at hrnz or the atc.

oh,i think we all realise that to go somewhere else ,they would have to have something like a 5 year plan to ensure continuity of enabling racing and training to continue before a new complex opened. 

 

[the galah]

 

23 minutes ago, the galah said:

their last annual report(2024),which came out in november,said they had net assets of 93.4 million.At that point they said they only owed the bank $76 million,so that loan would may have gone up a bit,but say ,hypothetically they were able to sell everything they had tomorrow,they would still have ,at a guess get  between 80-90 million.

 

Thats roughly 80-90 million left over after all debt repaid.Heck they could even put some in the bank if they wanted after relocating.

when they do relocate,it should be to somewhere where the racetrack and the training complex are one and the same. Imagine that. No transport costs for the owners whose trainers are based at the new racetrack. 

Edited 5 hours ago by the galah