south island apprentice jockeys

[Chief Stipe]

6 hours ago, SLB2.0 said:

The only toxicity comes from you, Chief Stipe.

Bollocks.  Do you want me to list @Pete Lane 's posts for you?  Or even @nomates ?  Actually I might do the big reveal of Lanes behaviour when he spat the dummy here and set up the site with Hesi.  That was over him wanting to ban certain people because he didn't like them and I refused.  So if calling him a hypocrite is being toxic then yeah I'm into toxicity in spades!

6 hours ago, SLB2.0 said:

Take a good look at yourself. You are acting bitter and angry, and now you're having a go at me because I squashed my beef with Leigh. When I didn't like Leigh the most, I believed he was acting exactly as you are now. The tables have seemingly turned, and it's tough to watch.

Sort yourself out

Do you really think McKenzie has changed?  Bullshit.  Oh the irony of him getting a Bell Gully lawyer to send me a letter accusing me of the very things @Pete Lane had done and threatening legal action.  Oh doesn't the worm turn!!  @Pete Lane is nothing more than an unprincipled tart who when he doesn't get his own way goes to the next stable.  I'm about to publish all his stuff as well.

So quite frankly @SLB2.0 if you get really upset because someone disagrees with your analysis of a ride and you don't respond with evidence of what you allege and instead copy what you've hear elsewhere then perhaps you are better where there are no standards.

[Pete Lane]

3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Bollocks.  Do you want me to list @Pete Lane 's posts for you?  Or even @nomates ?  Actually I might do the big reveal of Lanes behaviour when he spat the dummy here and set up the site with Hesi.  That was over him wanting to ban certain people because he didn't like them and I refused.  So if calling him a hypocrite is being toxic then yeah I'm into toxicity in spades!

Do you really think McKenzie has changed?  Bullshit.  Oh the irony of him getting a Bell Gully lawyer to send me a letter accusing me of the very things @Pete Lane had done and threatening legal action.  Oh doesn't the worm turn!!  @Pete Lane is nothing more than an unprincipled tart who when he doesn't get his own way goes to the next stable.  I'm about to publish all his stuff as well.

So quite frankly @SLB2.0 if you get really upset because someone disagrees with your analysis of a ride and you don't respond with evidence of what you allege and instead copy what you've hear elsewhere then perhaps you are better where there are no standards.

What an absolute joke you've become. Knock yourself out posting whatever you want, nobody reads this bloody site any more.

Loser.

[Chief Stipe]

4 hours ago, the galah said:

so if you look up the average rainfall. christchurch is 55mm  and dunedin 63mm. not that much difference.

but theres a big difference when it comes to sunshine hours. christchurch average is 6.1 per day ,dunedin only 3. christchurch averages 7 days on which rain falls and dunedin 17.

so if your a trainer with a horse that doesn't like really deep heavy tracks,why would you target dunedin?

Have you noticed that the horse in question has about one race a month?  Did you notice that the meeting scheduled for the Riccarton Turf was transferred to the Synthetic?  They obviously didn't want to run on the AWT.

So there wasn't another Turf meeting at Riccarton until 21 June that would mean 8 weeks between runs at Riccarton. 

Haven't you seen posters on BOAY complaining about the lack of opportunities on the turf at Riccarton?

[Chief Stipe]

4 hours ago, the galah said:

so if your a trainer with a horse that doesn't like really deep heavy tracks,why would you target dunedin? .

so your commenrt about grandstand trainers is rather silly. dismissing my comments on the basis the trainers can win a premiership, i think thats very flawed logic.

No my comment isn't silly.  You are only considering one factor.  As I pointed out in my previous post their opportunities were limited especially with the transfer of the meeting at Riccarton from the Turf to the AWT.

The point I'm making is you in the grandstand don't have all the information available to you that the Premier trainer does.  So to suggest that the horse has been poorly placed doesn't consider all the factors.

Yes I'm pleased you didn't back it.  As I said I was surprised it was a short priced favourite given its draw, the Heavy 10 track and 4kg claimer on board.  Its price was not value at any stage and I'm surprised someone like @SLB2.0 thinks otherwise.

[Chief Stipe]

25 minutes ago, Pete Lane said:

What an absolute joke you've become. Knock yourself out posting whatever you want, nobody reads this bloody site any more.

Loser.

About sums you up @Pete Lane.  You put the boot into RaceCafe when you got the pip and with Heslop joined here when I started BOAY.  You then got pissed off when I wouldn't ban the likes of @Thomass and @Transparency nor give you moderation access.  You and Hesi then team up and form your own site.  You got bored with that and then started to poke the borax here and back on RaceCafe.

I called you out on it and you got pissed off again posting numerous toxic posts.  You've now kissed and made up with @Comic Dog (I hope he took you for plenty) and are in partnership with him.  I guess @hesi is happy.

So who is the joke?

[SLB2.0]

Firstly.... where have I mentioned anywhere that I backed Bella Mio? You're pulling "facts" out of your ass, just like Leo used to do. Remember Leo? The guy you mentioned to me via PM today?

You then undermine me by stating I'm a "self-proclaimed betting analyst" knowing full well what I do for a living.

Chief Stipe - no one gives two shits. Only you care at this point, and you're making yourself look silly and paranoid, among other things. This isn't congress, it's an online horse racing forum FFS.

Your attitude atm will only increase your stress levels, which is demonstrated by your posts/messages today, you're under a lot of it.

And to fucking answer your question for the 100th time, I would have used effort in my ride, as opposed to just sitting on the horse as a dead weight. Did you get that answer? I was only asking for effort to be shown, so punters don't get royally fucked by a jockey who puts in no effort. Do you comprehend my answer now that I've said it again?

[Pete Lane]

25 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

About sums you up @Pete Lane.  You put the boot into Channel X when you got the pip and with Heslop joined here when I started BOAY.  You then got pissed off when I wouldn't ban the likes of @Thomass and @Transparency nor give you moderation access.  You and Hesi then team up and form your own site.  You got bored with that and then started to poke the borax here and back on Channel X.

I called you out on it and you got pissed off again posting numerous toxic posts.  You've now kissed and made up with @Comic Dog (I hope he took you for plenty) and are in partnership with him.  I guess @hesi is happy.

So who is the joke?

Not you mate. You seriously need psychiatric help.

[the galah]

30 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Have you noticed that the horse in question has about one race a month?  Did you notice that the meeting scheduled for the Riccarton Turf was transferred to the Synthetic?  They obviously didn't want to run on the AWT.

So there wasn't another Turf meeting at Riccarton until 21 June that would mean 8 weeks between runs at Riccarton. 

Haven't you seen posters on BOAY complaining about the lack of opportunities on the turf at Riccarton?

Yes i knew the horse has its races spaced and that a meeting was transferred to the all weather at riccarton.

sounds like your saying they decided to run on a track that was unsuitable at dunedin instead of running on a track that hasn't previously produced results at riccarton.

i don't know,that doesn't seem that clever to me,as wouldn't it cost the owners much more  to travel to dunedin and wouldn't a run on a really heavy track take more out of a horse that races only once a month,than a run on  a synthetic track.

personally i don't care where anyone runs their horses,all that matters to me is what you factor in when having a bet.Its their horse and they can run whereever they like. 

so i've just been saying the ride i highlighted to start this thread, was a ride where the jockey threw away a winning chance by an extremely poor tactical decision with 500m to go,and is a bit different from the bella mio ride,which personally i didn't think was good but the reason for that was not only the jockeys tactical decision,but involved other factors.

[Chief Stipe]

2 minutes ago, Pete Lane said:

Not you mate. You seriously need psychiatric help.

There we go ladies and gentlemen - that post is what you call a "toxic post".  You can imagine how things will be run elsewhere!  BTW Wightman and @Thomass are still welcome here but you have publicaly announced they are "not welcome on any forum I manage".

 

[Pete Lane]

7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

There we go ladies and gentlemen - that post is what you call a "toxic post".  You can imagine how things will be run elsewhere!  BTW Wightman and @Thomass are still welcome here but you have publicaly announced they are "not welcome on any forum I manage".

 

It was honest advice. I actually feel sorry for you.

Edited Monday at 07:17 AM by Pete Lane

[SLB2.0]

7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

There we go ladies and gentlemen - that post is what you call a "toxic post".  You can imagine how things will be run elsewhere!  BTW Wightman and @Thomass are still welcome here but you have publicaly announced they are "not welcome on any forum I manage".

 

And you have the nerve to call me a "sensitive petal" in a PM?

This is my last post on this site. Keep going and you'll have no one left.

[Pete Lane]

I also just cannot be bothered with this shit.

No more.

[Chief Stipe]

6 minutes ago, Pete Lane said:

I also just cannot be bothered with this shit.

No more.

You never were "bothered" you just used to drive by occasionally and lob the odd grenade or more like a smart arse comment.  Clear what your motive was.  I actually told a few members months and months ago what you were up to.  You tell your new mate @Comic Dog what I told you and @hesi when you wanted to use personal messenger on RaceCafe to attract members here.  I'll remind you - I said "do what you want but I neither condone nor want any part of it".  LOL didn't think you'd do it again when you both set up the third channel!  

[Chief Stipe]

16 minutes ago, Pete Lane said:

It was honest advice. I actually feel sorry for you.

LOL really?  You don't feel sorry for anyone as evident from the toxicity in your posts.  

[Chief Stipe]

16 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said:

And you have the nerve to call me a "sensitive petal" in a PM?

This is my last post on this site. Keep going and you'll have no one left.

LOL.  You have a short memory.  It was only a few weeks ago you were complaining to me that @Comic Dog was calling you all the names that Leo used to call you like Sunloon Boy etc.  I laughed and told you that he wasn't original enough to come up with his own insults which you laughed at!  

[Chief Stipe]

54 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said:

Firstly.... where have I mentioned anywhere that I backed Bella Mio? You're pulling "facts" out of your ass, just like Leo used to do. Remember Leo? The guy you mentioned to me via PM today?

Right you didn't back it yet you felt motivated to bag a young 4kg claimer aprentice Jockey? 

59 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said:

You then undermine me by stating I'm a "self-proclaimed betting analyst" knowing full well what I do for a living.

What you actually ARE a betting analyst?  Then you would have realised that the horse wasn't a value bet.

1 hour ago, SLB2.0 said:

Chief Stipe - no one gives two shits. Only you care at this point, and you're making yourself look silly and paranoid, among other things. This isn't congress, it's an online horse racing forum FFS.

You obviously give three shits.  You win.

1 hour ago, SLB2.0 said:

Your attitude atm will only increase your stress levels, which is demonstrated by your posts/messages today, you're under a lot of it.

Yep one from the @Pete Lane playbook.  But keep it personal - I'm not.  Other than upsetting your feelings by inferring you were a "betting analyst"!

1 hour ago, SLB2.0 said:

And to fucking answer your question for the 100th time, I would have used effort in my ride, as opposed to just sitting on the horse as a dead weight. Did you get that answer?

Touchy.  She rode it exactly the same way as she did the previous start when it rang second at Riccarton.  The difference being it drew wider and the track was better than the notified Rating of a Heavy 10 at Riccarton.  She didn't sit on the horse as a dead weight (hyperbole).  I gather you wanted her to flog the shyte out of the horse or ride it with heaps more vigour but given no one but her was riding the horse we have to accept that the horse wasn't actually travelling that well.  I also gather you wanted her to lose ground and move wider on the course when able and then presumably make up that ground and...win?

 

1 hour ago, SLB2.0 said:

I was only asking for effort to be shown, so punters don't get royally fucked by a jockey who puts in no effort. Do you comprehend my answer now that I've said it again?

Oh Ok you are crusading for the punters by bagging the ride on a horse you didn't back.  Makes sense...

So do you know the disgruntled owners you quoted? 

 

[Chief Stipe]

48 minutes ago, the galah said:

i don't know,that doesn't seem that clever to me,as wouldn't it cost the owners much more  to travel to dunedin and wouldn't a run on a really heavy track take more out of a horse that races only once a month,than a run on  a synthetic track.

Perhaps but we don't have all the information for the decision.  As many have said on BOAY the programming in the South Island especially Riccarton isn't much chop.

50 minutes ago, the galah said:

so i've just been saying the ride i highlighted to start this thread, was a ride where the jockey threw away a winning chance by an extremely poor tactical decision with 500m to go,and is a bit different from the bella mio ride,which personally i didn't think was good but the reason for that was not only the jockeys tactical decision,but involved other factors.

I wouldn't have backed for similar reasons you did however one of the factors was the experience of a 4kg claimer on a horse drawn very akwardly for the conditions.  Observing the video a couple times I felt the horse was never travelling well to make up the extra ground that it would have had to.

[Shab]

Hayley is going alright.  3 winners in next 10 rides after Bella Mio.  Ex Aye $8.10, Sense Of Timing $7.50, Ata Rangi $11.60.  Meanwhile in his last 17 rides Jmac has only managed to get 1 win with Voyage Bubble $1.80.