Brodie Posted May 24 Posted May 24 Just had a count up on the TAB web site and was wondering whether we could have more meetings to bet on? Only 47 different meetings today, but bit quieter tomorrow Sunday only 43! Seriously how many punters in NZ actually do wager on races that they actually have no idea where it is or any form?? If you do then I suggest you are not betting to make money but are more a gambling addict? Maybe wrong but why both to offload on a horse or dog when you have no idea of what you are betting on? Does anyone on BOAY do this? 1 Quote
mikeynz Posted May 24 Posted May 24 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Brodie said: Just had a count up on the TAB web site and was wondering whether we could have more meetings to bet on? Only 47 different meetings today, but bit quieter tomorrow Sunday only 43! Seriously how many punters in NZ actually do wager on races that they actually have no idea where it is or any form?? If you do then I suggest you are not betting to make money but are more a gambling addict? Maybe wrong but why both to offload on a horse or dog when you have no idea of what you are betting on? Does anyone on BOAY do this? More than likely most of us don't bother but someone might complain if they got rid of them, but Entain just keep pushing more and more, got to get every cent they can. Myself personally I don't watch a lot of trackside, does my head after a while, overnight, sports betting is probably where it's at, European Soccer and Tennis. You talk about restrictions on punters but I'm sure there must be some large punters on head to heads in many sports, maybe they have some elite punters but just don't disclose their spending levels. But yes betting on many of these races and some of the sports tends to suggest some have issues. Edited May 24 by mikeynz Quote
Brodie Posted May 24 Author Posted May 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, mikeynz said: More than likely most of us don't bother but someone might complain if they got rid of them, but Entain just keep pushing more and more, got to get every cent they can. Myself personally I don't watch a lot of trackside, does my head after a while, overnight, sports betting is probably where it's at, European Soccer and Tennis. You talk about restrictions on punters but I'm sure there must be some large punters on head to heads in many sports, maybe they have some elite punters but just don't disclose their spending levels. But yes betting on many of these races and some of the sports tends to suggest some have issues. See thats where it is hypocritical Mikey! You say they try to get every cent when their actions are quite the opposite! They have punters who wish to punt and yet they want to stop them? They are targeting the small time mug punters to help them out at the mo. The fact that they consider a $1k bet to be a big bet is quite astounding in this day and age surely. Yes there are plenty of people who bet on sports and that is where the TAB mskes the money and is why Entain bribed The NZ TAB and racing industry with this money shell out for 5 years! At the end of the 5 years racing will suffer significantly in many ways. Happy to be very wrong but it does appear to be what will happen by many of the decisions being made. Nothing being done for infrastructure or future to protect racing with this cash splash! It is very surprising that we have not heard anything from the big players in the industry about this? Edited May 24 by Brodie Quote
mikeynz Posted May 24 Posted May 24 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Brodie said: See thats where it is hypocritical Mikey! You say they try to get every cent when their actions are quite the opposite! They have punters who wish to punt and yet they want to stop them? They are targeting the small time mug punters to help them out at the mo. The fact that they consider a $1k bet to be a big bet is quite astounding in this day and age surely. Yes there are plenty of people who bet on sports and that is where the TAB mskes the money and is why Entain bribed The NZ TAB and racing industry with this money shell out for 5 years! At the end of the 5 years racing will suffer significantly in many ways. Happy to be very wrong but it does appear to be what will happen by many of the decisions being made. Nothing being done for infrastructure or future to protect racing with this cash splash! It is very surprising that we have not heard anything from the big players in the industry about this? I'm just watching trackside, I do sometimes and they are flashing up big bet alert, some trying to win 5 or 6 grand yet I though 2 grand was your limit, on a fixed win bet. Most of them are losers so who is winning at this game? Edited May 24 by mikeynz Quote
mikeynz Posted May 24 Posted May 24 (edited) Awatere in the last at Te Rapa, 3000 at 3 90, logic would tell me as insurance you would stack more on for top 3 or 4, horse ran second I think. Strangely Awatere started at 4 50 Edited May 24 by mikeynz Quote
Brodie Posted May 24 Author Posted May 24 2 hours ago, mikeynz said: I'm just watching trackside, I do sometimes and they are flashing up big bet alert, some trying to win 5 or 6 grand yet I though 2 grand was your limit, on a fixed win bet. Most of them are losers so who is winning at this game? The minimum you are allowed to net on a win bet is $2K not maximum. Quote
Shab Posted May 24 Posted May 24 3 hours ago, mikeynz said: I'm just watching trackside, I do sometimes and they are flashing up big bet alert, some trying to win 5 or 6 grand yet I though 2 grand was your limit, on a fixed win bet. Most of them are losers so who is winning at this game? 2k is the minimum they have to let you on to win not the limit. If you are happy to take way under the likely SP you can get on for lots more. Quote
mikeynz Posted Saturday at 11:54 AM Posted Saturday at 11:54 AM So effectively some of those bets today where someone's trying to win 5 or 6 grand are accepted at the TABs discretion, crazy thing is most of the bets lost so who are the winners? 1 Quote
Brodie Posted Saturday at 11:05 PM Author Posted Saturday at 11:05 PM (edited) 11 hours ago, mikeynz said: So effectively some of those bets today where someone's trying to win 5 or 6 grand are accepted at the TABs discretion, crazy thing is most of the bets lost so who are the winners? Most of the bets they showed as big bets on Friday night were very poor bets! If this is what the ones allowed more on than others bet on, then the TAB is going to do very well! This is why I say the NZ TAB does not not treat punters ethically equally and is what is going to be their downfall. They should be all treated equally as they are supposed to be s gambling agency, but they are not prepared to take the GAMBLE!!!! Edited Saturday at 11:05 PM by Brodie Quote
mikeynz Posted Saturday at 11:50 PM Posted Saturday at 11:50 PM 30 minutes ago, Brodie said: Most of the bets they showed as big bets on Friday night were very poor bets! If this is what the ones allowed more on than others bet on, then the TAB is going to do very well! This is why I say the NZ TAB does not not treat punters ethically equally and is what is going to be their downfall. They should be all treated equally as they are supposed to be s gambling agency, but they are not prepared to take the GAMBLE!!!! I didn't see the Friday ones but yesterday the gallops ones were mostly losers, Harness racing is probably treated differently, you could say too easy in some races, hence the restrictions for some, personally the simplest way to prosper would be backing top3 top4 place bets, they know that, that's why they don't promote place betting. Quote
Brodie Posted Sunday at 12:21 AM Author Posted Sunday at 12:21 AM 28 minutes ago, mikeynz said: I didn't see the Friday ones but yesterday the gallops ones were mostly losers, Harness racing is probably treated differently, you could say too easy in some races, hence the restrictions for some, personally the simplest way to prosper would be backing top3 top4 place bets, they know that, that's why they don't promote place betting. They should treat all punters equally just like you are meant to in all parts of life. Not all punters are allowed to bet Top 4! 1 Quote
paleface adios Posted Sunday at 01:05 AM Posted Sunday at 01:05 AM 23 hours ago, Brodie said: Just had a count up on the TAB web site and was wondering whether we could have more meetings to bet on? Only 47 different meetings today, but bit quieter tomorrow Sunday only 43! Seriously how many punters in NZ actually do wager on races that they actually have no idea where it is or any form?? If you do then I suggest you are not betting to make money but are more a gambling addict? Maybe wrong but why both to offload on a horse or dog when you have no idea of what you are betting on? Does anyone on BOAY do this? You have dollar each way in every race ? With 47 meetings on Quote
Brodie Posted Sunday at 03:50 AM Author Posted Sunday at 03:50 AM 2 hours ago, paleface adios said: You have dollar each way in every race ? With 47 meetings on that is what they want, the small investing punters that bet on every race. Thing is they are not attracting enough new ones, snd should be encouraging their existing lyal customer base, rather than trying to lose them! Reality is that it is a flawed business plan, but then again they do not care, while they are on the pay roll. Quote
Nowornever Posted Sunday at 04:25 AM Posted Sunday at 04:25 AM Easy to make money the way they have been pricing. It is like taking candy off a baby. Quote
Brodie Posted Sunday at 04:51 AM Author Posted Sunday at 04:51 AM 23 minutes ago, Nowornever said: Easy to make money the way they have been pricing. It is like taking candy off a baby. So they need to let all the punters on for significant amounts so they can cover your wins! They are just riding out the 5 year guarantee and then all hell will break loose! will need a new hobby. Quote
Shab Posted Sunday at 07:18 AM Posted Sunday at 07:18 AM 6 hours ago, Brodie said: Not all punters are allowed to bet Top 4! Cant you just go down to TAB and put your bets on at the terminal? Quote
Nowornever Posted Sunday at 08:10 AM Posted Sunday at 08:10 AM 3 hours ago, Brodie said: So they need to let all the punters on for significant amounts so they can cover your wins! They are just riding out the 5 year guarantee and then all hell will break loose! will need a new hobby. Unfortunately because they are not that good at setting the odds they have to stop punters winning to offset their bad pricing. It is a game of cat and mouse trying to get on at the good prices for me and at the moment I am winning. Quote
Nowornever Posted Sunday at 08:39 AM Posted Sunday at 08:39 AM 1 hour ago, Shab said: Cant you just go down to TAB and put your bets on at the terminal? You can only bet Top 4 through account as far as I know. 1 Quote
mikeynz Posted Sunday at 09:03 AM Posted Sunday at 09:03 AM 4 hours ago, Brodie said: So they need to let all the punters on for significant amounts so they can cover your wins! They are just riding out the 5 year guarantee and then all hell will break loose! will need a new hobby. So what are you restricted from, is it a certain amount, certain types of bets, I understand the 2k minimum scenario now for fixed win bets always had me confused, do they have minimums they have to let you on for place bets, I'm talking about anyone, Quote
Nowornever Posted Monday at 03:01 AM Posted Monday at 03:01 AM 17 hours ago, mikeynz said: So what are you restricted from, is it a certain amount, certain types of bets, I understand the 2k minimum scenario now for fixed win bets always had me confused, do they have minimums they have to let you on for place bets, I'm talking about anyone, If you are good enough they do not let you bet top four, the option is just missing from your account when you log in. Same with other bet types (eg same race multis). They let you on to win 2K but it is for win only (so if you are backing a $20 horse then they will let you bet $100 max and then the next bet you put will be at $12 and the next at $6). Good luck trying to win 2k for a place if you are on their watch list. I know a guy who is not a big bettor (A $25 bet would be big for him) and he is severely restricted on all fixed odds bets because he had a good run for a few weeks in a row. Guessing their risk team looks at over all profit first then the ratio of bets placed to winning bets before bringing down the ban hammer on those who cross the line. Whatever you do, do not back four or five double figure winners in a row. That would be a death blow to your account. They are text book copying the UK system of profile everyone via betting patterns and restrict sharp punters. 2 Quote
Rangatira Posted Monday at 03:30 AM Posted Monday at 03:30 AM 22 hours ago, Brodie said: will need a new hobby. 2 Quote
paleface adios Posted Monday at 03:52 AM Posted Monday at 03:52 AM 21 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Tab sick getting sleepers out of him they want his cash Quote
the galah Posted Monday at 08:27 AM Posted Monday at 08:27 AM (edited) On 25/05/2025 at 8:10 PM, Nowornever said: Unfortunately because they are not that good at setting the odds they have to stop punters winning to offset their bad pricing. It is a game of cat and mouse trying to get on at the good prices for me and at the moment I am winning. its always good to hear some punters are making money,as after all isn't that what we all try and do. my issue is not the prices they set. I think they pretty much get the opening prices about right and if they don't the horses concerned get heavily supported by only a small group of punters who bet soon after markets come out and those horses from that point on are unders. my issue is that harness racing is now becoming an unattractive product to bet on for the bulk of punters. the tote pools are so small they aren't worth betting on if your spending much,because your bet will cut the price too much. The ff's aren't attractive as the better chances are quicly dropped in to unrealistic odds because the small number of clever,winning early bettors have been identified by the tab and they use those punters to help price the markets ,thus providing unrealisrtically short odds for the 95% of punters who bet closer to start time. also,why would the tab have the whale on tv if he was a liabilty to the tab.It makes no sense. They must have him on because he can influence the punters to bet on his selections and the tab know that and price such horses in way that the tab will always ciome out on top in the long run. i've always thought the tab's strategy to dumb down the punters and get others to select for them will ultimately mean less horse,driver ,trainer recognition and ultimately less punter interest in the sport. Thats just a hunch,but the turnover trends induicate its certainly hasn't helped. but its not only that. Harness racing is providing a product where the winning chances are limited due to field size and often race patterns. All these sprint races at tracks like addington and auckland result in fewer moves as they never slow down and even the average punters know they have done their money after 400m and thats not something that makes the average punter, who doesn't mind losing smaller amounts,want to particpate. Thats not much fun. Edited Monday at 08:29 AM by the galah 1 Quote
Brodie Posted Monday at 08:47 AM Author Posted Monday at 08:47 AM (edited) Reality is that Entain are currently just playing out the remaining 2 years or so and then they will chop the funding for racing, unless someone from the TAB comes out and advises us otherwise? They are not these White Knights that the harness media splurged upon us, quite the opposite! Yes good funding for stakes, but that will end and then what? At the end of the day if you want to keep punting then that is our choice obviously, but they are effectively falsifying the turnover with the bonus bets and these so called bonus surges! What a load of rubbish, if you can afford to have these horses at these surged odds then just open them at that!!!! These bets that they try and sell us as “very special” are laughable arent they???? MAXIMUM BET $20!!!! TAB are victimising and treating punters differently, therefore they need to be reminded of their ethically wrong business actions! Edited Monday at 08:49 AM by Brodie 1 Quote
Chief Stipe Posted Monday at 09:49 AM Posted Monday at 09:49 AM 1 hour ago, Brodie said: TAB are victimising and treating punters differently, therefore they need to be reminded of their ethically wrong business actions! You need to be on the inside @Brodie https://simplywall.st/stocks/gb/consumer-services/lse-ent/entain-shares/news/insider-stock-buying-reaches-uk297m-on-entain Quote
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.