Thomass Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 Do you know whether they all got breath tested Freda...after a night in the Hoki pub?? And did the local constable allow an all nighter...and they rolled up blind rotten? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 4 minutes ago, Thomass said: Do you know whether they all got breath tested Freda...after a night in the Hoki pub?? And did the local constable allow an all nighter...and they rolled up blind rotten? Thank God that the j.c.a. genius from up in Auckland wasn't involved. Probably would have promoted the last horse to first because it didn't get a fair chance? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 52 minutes ago, Freda said: ....and nine riders, multiple barrier staff as WELL as the starter, two clerks of the course, the vet, and one stipe.....and no-one noticed. The buck stops with Wadley (the blind stipe) .... is he on a fixed salary, if so how much please ??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 16, 2019 Share Posted January 16, 2019 10 minutes ago, billy connolly said: The buck stops with Wadley (the blind stipe) .... is he on a fixed salary, if so how much please ??? Apparently the "buck stops" with the starter well actually he is the one that lost the "bucks." It's a classic the Captain (the starter) must have it right which was the factor in a many avoidable air craft accidents. Hence the implementation of Crew Resource Management systems where every participant was expected to take responsibility and speak up. I suspect the Apprentices are still in the "Yes Sir/No Sir" mode of their careers. I remember when doing my amateur harness driving course we had a session with a Stipe. One of the topics was how he should be addressed - Mr x and Sir. Authority only obtained through title and position NOT credibility, skill and experience. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 5 hours ago, Thomass said: No Fred, she started from the outside...that's why the starter lost his fee and more .. ...after losing his marbles No Thomas -she was in stall one which was the outside one -the numbers on the stalls were effectively back to front because it was a right handed track Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 This debacle is similar to the Riccarton Park episode a couple of years back where "road cones" were left on the track for the field to hurdle in the first race! Is it too hard for a stipe to at least drive around the track and ensure all is in order before the meeting commences? Why pay a blind stipe (Wadley) to stand around at the start in a suit and do absolutely nothing of any consequence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Shit yeah...remember that very clearly....! Just as well Lee Callaway was in front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Freda said: Shit yeah...remember that very clearly....! Just as well Lee Callaway was in front. That caused me to cancel my CJC membership with immediate effect. Hard to believe that not a single CJC staff member let alone a stipe had bothered to drive round, let alone walk round the course on race morning before sending a bunch of unsuspecting horses and riders round on a race day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 19 hours ago, Fred said: No Thomas -she was in stall one which was the outside one -the numbers on the stalls were effectively back to front because it was a right handed track So the numbers on the back are interchangeable when it comes to going the other way... Because Donnelly couldn't clear the sleep out of his eyes in time...he didn't slip the numbers out of their slots by the first... So you're right when you say Hirini started in the '1' stall.... ...and she questioned the starter...apparently in ear shot of the Stipe ...who all ignored her... A senior Jockey would probably have remonstrated more...got off..kicked the wheel...etc. Whereas poor Danielle accepted her fate...at the hands of a country bumpkin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Even if the starter (Donnelly) isn't the sharpest axe in the shed he has far more on his plate at the start than the useless dreamer stipe Wadley, yet the starter is relieved of $450 and Wadley walks free! An incredible and preposterous episode that will undoubtedly be swept under the carpet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitman Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 A similar thing at Gore hardly a thing said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 hours ago, billy connolly said: Even if the starter (Donnelly) isn't the sharpest axe in the shed he has far more on his plate at the start than the useless dreamer stipe Wadley, yet the starter is relieved of $450 and Wadley walks free! An incredible and preposterous episode that will undoubtedly be swept under the carpet. Is Wadley a cross coder or strictly Thoroughbreds? Donnelly used the excuse he only does 4/5 meetings a year... That requires instant dismissal straight off after he said that... Then the protocols need changing... The assistant starter needs to cross reference the Starters protocols as well In the event of a rider questioning the correct barrier they should be required to inform the Stipendiary Steward at the start Because the starters in the Sth Is. can't be relied upon given these last two instances.. Of RIDERS QUESTIONING THE STARTER... THEN BEING IGNORED its that simple ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 As I said in an earlier post the same hierarchical management scenario has been a factor in numerous plane crashes. Apprentices are trained to call the starter and stipe Sir and Mr and not to challenge. In the Hokitika scenario the jockey's were largely inexperienced and can be excused for not speaking out however they had probably got used to just sitting on the horse, not remembering their gate number and while focussed on staying balanced on the horse were happily led in by the attendants. Although I'm sure those that had drawn the outside to suddenly find themselves on the inside at Hokitika were probably inclined to think "yahoo bonus" - although they were probably left in two minds when it came to the first corner - "do I turn left or right?" In my opinion the buck stops with the Starter, his assistant and the Stipe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: As I said in an earlier post the same hierarchical management scenario has been a factor in numerous plane crashes. Apprentices are trained to call the starter and stipe Sir and Mr and not to challenge. In the Hokitika scenario the jockey's were largely inexperienced and can be excused for not speaking out however they had probably got used to just sitting on the horse, not remembering their gate number and while focussed on staying balanced on the horse were happily led in by the attendants. Although I'm sure those that had drawn the outside to suddenly find themselves on the inside at Hokitika were probably inclined to think "yahoo bonus" - although they were probably left in two minds when it came to the first corner - "do I turn left or right?" In my opinion the buck stops with the Starter, his assistant and the Stipe. I don't think too many of the jockeys call them Mr or Sir any more And as I said previously Fantasy Flight was not in stall 1 but stall 4(there being only nine starters the outside three - 1 2 and 3 - would be empty) I do not think the Riccarton cones or starter assistant being run over(twice!) got more posts than this incident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 32 minutes ago, Reefton said: I don't think too many of the jockeys call them Mr or Sir any more And as I said previously Fantasy Flight was not in stall 1 but stall 4(there being only nine starters the outside three - 1 2 and 3 - would be empty) I do not think the Riccarton cones or starter assistant being run over(twice!) got more posts than this incident Your first point - I can only speak from experience when involved more closely with the harness industry and particularly when I did my amateur drivers license course. Second point - I don't understand it. Please can you elaborate. Third point - I assure you as this incident happened when I was on deck at the other channel it did get a lot of posts. Especially when the retired "champion" jockeys got going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Your first point - I can only speak from experience when involved more closely with the harness industry and particularly when I did my amateur drivers license course. Second point - I don't understand it. Please can you elaborate. Third point - I assure you as this incident happened when I was on deck at the other channel it did get a lot of posts. Especially when the retired "champion" jockeys got going. The gates are numbered 1 to 12. So when they are at Hoki the inside is 12 and the outside 1 ( though if my memory serves me correctly we got magnetic numbers specifically to allow them to be switched when they arrived at Hoki - certainly those gates can be steered from either end specifically for dealing with the Hoki way of going) So if you have a nine horse field and the inside is #12 then the horse drawn widest will be #9. The three unoccupied gates will be 3 2 and 1. So it cannot be used as an excuse that he loaded them based on the numbers on the gates. He made a mistake pure and simple. And we all make plenty of those. Remarkably I managed to back the winner even though it started from the extreme opposite gate to that intended. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 4 hours ago, Reefton said: The gates are numbered 1 to 12. So when they are at Hoki the inside is 12 and the outside 1 ( though if my memory serves me correctly we got magnetic numbers specifically to allow them to be switched when they arrived at Hoki - certainly those gates can be steered from either end specifically for dealing with the Hoki way of going) So if you have a nine horse field and the inside is #12 then the horse drawn widest will be #9. The three unoccupied gates will be 3 2 and 1. So it cannot be used as an excuse that he loaded them based on the numbers on the gates. He made a mistake pure and simple. And we all make plenty of those. Remarkably I managed to back the winner even though it started from the extreme opposite gate to that intended. I think that should read that the horse drawn widest will be in gate #4, not gate #9? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 1 hour ago, curious said: I think that should read that the horse drawn widest will be in gate #4, not gate #9? Yeah sorry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 6 hours ago, Reefton said: Remarkably I managed to back the winner even though it started from the extreme opposite gate to that intended. It may be remarkable that you backed the winner , but less so that it started from a different gate than expected imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 14 hours ago, Reefton said: I don't think too many of the jockeys call them Mr or Sir any more And as I said previously Fantasy Flight was not in stall 1 but stall 4(there being only nine starters the outside three - 1 2 and 3 - would be empty) I do not think the Riccarton cones or starter assistant being run over(twice!) got more posts than this incident You're simply wrong FF did start from the stall marked 1...the outside The 3 inside gates...'the rail'...were empty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 16 minutes ago, Thomass said: You're simply wrong FF did start from the stall marked 1...the outside The 3 inside gates...'the rail'...were empty Thomaas is correct. I just reviewed the video on the NZRacing website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, mardigras said: It may be remarkable that you backed the winner , but less so that it started from a different gate than expected imo. Imagine if you will... The energy she could have saved and the extra she would have won by If she hadn't had to kick up to pass the inside runners before the bend ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 She was probably lucky...less interference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 2 hours ago, mardigras said: It may be remarkable that you backed the winner , but less so that it started from a different gate than expected imo. Yeah I wasn't there at that stage but heard the Commentator say it was drawn the outer so must say I was surprised I hadn't noticed that when scanning the fields. Anyway it worked out OK but would be a bit irritated had it got beat from the wrong draw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted January 18, 2019 Share Posted January 18, 2019 43 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Thomaas is correct. I just reviewed the video on the NZRacing website. Makes a change. And his response was coherent. Wonderful! Nice of him to interrupt his family holiday (where is he now? Somewhere on the EAST coast of the SI I hope?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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