TAB accepts $40k bet on Telfer horse?

[Nowornever]

Still something funny going on with the TAB algorithms. Some real movers happening in the last 5mins. If you are lucky you can get nearly double the closing dividend in the last five minutes on some runners. When the money goes on a favourite the others drift big time before coming in again in the last few minutes.

 I had a couple of decent multis teed up ready to run to the tote but Tim Williams has ruined my plans on the biggest of them. I took Vesta at 12 dollars but you could have gotten 26 in the last few minutes so was a bit worried about the drift, was expecting it to get in to about 7 or 8 dollars.

Don't you hate it when your horse never gets a run and in doing so ruins the dividend for next time. Not sure he was trying that hard or got out driven, either way it was robbed.

Edited 13 hours ago by Nowornever

[Brodie]

5 minutes ago, Nowornever said:

Still something funny going on with the TAB algorithms. Some real movers happening in the last 5mins. If you are lucky you can get nearly double the closing dividend in the last five minutes on some runners. When the money goes on a favourite the others drift big time before coming in again in the last few minutes.

 I had a couple of decent multis teed up ready to run to the tote but Tim Williams has ruined my plans on the biggest of them. I took Vesta at 12 dollars but you could have gotten 26 in the last few minutes so was a bit worried about the drift, was expecting it to get in to about 7 or 8 dollars.

Don't you hate it when your horse never gets a run and in doing so ruins the dividend for next time. Not sure he was trying that hard or got out driven, either way it was robbed.

The TAB alter the fixed odds far too late to be able to wager apart from on account!!

As I said the other night if someone gets a wee bit on they slash the divs and then they get very little money on it unless it moved out and that is often far too late!

not going to name them but there have been some very poor drives this week that shows lack of nous from some.

Hard to fathom why some trainers keep on putting on the same driver week in and week out when they are less than average in the cart?

Maybe the owners have more money than sense?

[Nowornever]

6 minutes ago, Brodie said:

The TAB alter the fixed odds far too late to be able to wager apart from on account!!

As I said the other night if someone gets a wee bit on they slash the divs and then they get very little money on it unless it moved out and that is often far too late!

not going to name them but there have been some very poor drives this week that shows lack of nous from some.

Hard to fathom why some trainers keep on putting on the same driver week in and week out when they are less than average in the cart?

Maybe the owners have more money than sense?

Yes I spotted a couple of real shockers from some repeat serial offenders who shall remain nameless but have been upgraded to my list of drivers who wouldn't get room in a one horse field. 

[Brodie]

52 minutes ago, Nowornever said:

Yes I spotted a couple of real shockers from some repeat serial offenders who shall remain nameless but have been upgraded to my list of drivers who wouldn't get room in a one horse field. 

Not sure what is going on at the moment with junior drivers?

We are fortunate that we have  females in the harness industry and of the 8 horses in the juniors race just now at Addington 6 were driven by females.

I appreciate that We have our best juniors in Canterbury in Oz at the moment and yes they are the best!

 There have been some very poor drives by Juniors this weekend and it just shows how much of a difference in ability between the ones in Oz representing NZ apart from a couple and the rest!

Questioning how many will be able to make a career in harness after they are out of their Junior claims?

Edited 11 hours ago by Brodie

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Nowornever said:

Still something funny going on with the TAB algorithms. Some real movers happening in the last 5mins. If you are lucky you can get nearly double the closing dividend in the last five minutes on some runners. When the money goes on a favourite the others drift big time before coming in again in the last few minutes.

 I had a couple of decent multis teed up ready to run to the tote but Tim Williams has ruined my plans on the biggest of them. I took Vesta at 12 dollars but you could have gotten 26 in the last few minutes so was a bit worried about the drift, was expecting it to get in to about 7 or 8 dollars.

Don't you hate it when your horse never gets a run and in doing so ruins the dividend for next time. Not sure he was trying that hard or got out driven, either way it was robbed.

i backed that one as well.yes,i guess if it starts in the same field next week it will only pay $3,which will be unders, with no guarantee it will get the same nice run.

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

The TAB alter the fixed odds far too late to be able to wager apart from on account!!

As I said the other night if someone gets a wee bit on they slash the divs and then they get very little money on it unless it moved out and that is often far too late!

not going to name them but there have been some very poor drives this week that shows lack of nous from some.

Hard to fathom why some trainers keep on putting on the same driver week in and week out when they are less than average in the cart?

Maybe the owners have more money than sense?

sometimes the good drivers don't get it right as well. Like j dunn on beautiful crazy,i thought it very obvious if he pulled it out craig thornley would pull out in front of him and give him the 1/1.He could have done that well before he did. R Cameron just ended up outdriving him and won the race. Not sure beautiful crazy would have placed anyway as it just battled,but did seem to miss an obvious opportunity.

Some trainers are very loyal. d mcgowan one of those. I backed one of his the other night paying $21,which i found hard to believe and all it had to do was pull off the inside to win,but it didn't . I guess thats why it was paying $21 and i should have known what to expect.i.

having said that,most of the drivers are consistent. Its the ones that every now and again pull off when they don't normally,that can be the ones that are frustrating.

That last race ,a big win mover was sweet dreams. Now j howe is another trainer who is very loyal.fair enough,He puts the same drivers on ,even when  you get the odd one that doesn't suit that driver.sweet dreams is a horse like that. Its certainly no champ, but r holmes drove it the week before and asked it to be a racehorse and it tried and ran 2nd.i know r close is a good driver and  punters keep backing it.Then again j howe may think its best going to the back and inside devery time.If thats the case r close would be a genious. I know r close is a good driver but not sure why punters keep backing that horse.

some of the form during the winter can be a bit inconsistent. That royal deidre who won that race just run i've noticed go a couple of good races but never the same week to week .Next week it can have every chance and stops,then again good and bad. Well today it sat parked and won easy.I see m cross tipped it. Maybe hes got it worked out.

Edited 11 hours ago by the galah

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

Not sure what is going on at the moment with junior drivers?

We are fortunate that we have  females in the harness industry and of the 8 horses in the juniors race just now at Addington 6 were driven by females.

I appreciate that We have our best juniors in Canterbury in Oz at the moment and yes they are the best!

 There have been some very poor drives by Juniors this weekend and it just shows how much of a difference in ability between the ones in Oz representing NZ apart from a couple and the rest!

Questioning how many will be able to make a career in harness after they are out of their Junior claims?

i posted last week that theres actually more women junior drivers currently in nz than there are men.

some very good drivers amongst them .

o thornley is good. i think g thornley lost her driving form beofre she had the break, but has come back and is driving very well. Horses run for both of them.

I think the reason theres more women is,men look at the industry and say ,can i make a living and have a family down the track as well. And the answer is ,unless your in the top handful,no you won't make a resonable living . And being able to look after a women financially of course is part of the attraction process. women know,no point marrying a good guy who's got no money. Its not easy for a wife who does that.I know,my wife,god bless her soul,reminds me of that every time i moan about not having enough money.oops,i've gone off track.

anyways,back to the driving.Whereas the females look at it and say,well my priority is doing something i enjoy over finacial considerations, and down the track i can marry someone who earns enough to support me,then they can come back into it again when they want.

actually, one thing i've noticed is woman who are drivers and can make a living,don't seem to have too many chidren Now thats just an observation,but then again women in general, don't seem to have as many children these days.Wheres all the catholics when you need them.

Actually talking about children,i remember the days when addington had that big grandstand .

About the 150 metre from the finsih,at the top of the stand,there used to sit enough young members of the butt families to fill a bus.Ok.maybe not that many,but there was a lot of them.No need for family reunions. They had one every week. You don't see that these days.I remember those days. My aunty would come occasionally and admire the le lievre families wonderful hair. Obviously that was a few years ago as i think their hair lines may receded a bit since then. Then i remember one day,my uncle pointing out a racecourse inspector chasing a bloke who wasn't allowed on course. I'm not sure whther he went on to own a nz cup winner or maybe that was his brother.

ah the memories,anyways again,back to the junior drivers. 

as to your point about how many will make it after their junior status ends. 

Thats the thing isn't it.

Hrnz focus on the juniors and neglect those very same people when they lose their junior status.

I mean ask yourself.Say you may have got 4 drives a week,well if you throw in a stablehands wage, then you could probably pay the bills. But then you lose your junior status,,you now only get 1 or 2,so your income drops by $200.

Who needs the free boots,skivvy,harness,free licence renewals,helmets,vests,everything is free.. 

The persosn who's just lost their junior status is more likely to have financial commitments..Yet they have to pay for everything and cross subsidise the juniors free stuff,even though the juniors are getting more drives and earning more.

So thats why you see mnay drivers disappearing. Especially the males.

Also the smaller the field size,whether it be at the races or the trials ,the less opportunity the drivers who drive will get.

 

Edited 10 hours ago by the galah

[Brodie]

Very accurate posting Galah.

Do we know how many new Junior drivers have been licensed over the last year or so?

I acknowledge that it is the love of the horse and industry that makes these Juniors want to be a driver nowadays rather than any monetary return.

Very hard way to make a living, early morning starts, long hours and physically very demanding.

Why would you want to be employed in the industry if there is not much future in it?

I have no idea how much Junior drivers are earning, but the ones with UDR’s that are low will not be getting that much as winning % would be the icing on the cake.

We need a constant number of young ones coming thru the stables and driving and training to replace the ones that are giving up driving and training for the industry to continue.

HRNZ have told us that things are looking very rosey and suppose if they say it is then we have to believe it LOL

Thing is why is this Committee needed to be formed and also just read that the Gallops and Harness are getting together to work for the one cause!

When has this ever needed to happen in NZ  racing bearing in mind there will be no greyhounds this time next year!

 

Edited 6 hours ago by Brodie