Rangatira Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 16 hours ago, paleface adios said: What about sky major doing good job at stud hope he got some good mares $1000 ? Quote
mikeynz Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 1 hour ago, Gammalite said: a slap in the face for a Great Sport . great work, and Why not have a good time with it ? . Jump Ship ? while all the sports and Pokies continue to rake in not millions , BUT billions from all the sport and machine gambling. Pick on one poster enjoying the Sport instead ?? and jump ship ? couldn't organize a chook raffle you blokes. Everyone has to live within their means, if the government is propping up Entain that isnt a good and then for how long, or is the Greyhound man in charge telling porkies as he has a are to grind? Quote
Gammalite Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 2 minutes ago, mikeynz said: Everyone has to live within their means, if the government is propping up Entain that isnt a good and then for how long, or is the Greyhound man in charge telling porkies as he has a are to grind? I Reckon the Government would love ENTAIN Mikey. they help greatly with the collect of the gambling dollar from all those punters/gamblers out there , that get carried away and are spending their money , just chasing more money lol. Governments Just love the Gambling/alcohol and tobacco taxes. worth billions. They should help Entain collect some of it. Mad if they don't ?. Some supporters of the Harness sport . Like HRNZ for example , are just trying to Support the Sport. They have introduced new schemes , incentives , all sorts of things like the EXcellent Slot races at Cambridge and Show Day at Addington to attract the BEst horses. even this thread the Harness 5000 , seems they are trying to exclude the Best on this occasion 🤣😂 to give the poor folk a go at bigger prizemoney lol. worth a try I spose. 🤔 The Golden Gait at Auckland gave 'loyal' local folk a go at some bigger bucks , etc . Excellent Stuff !! 🏆 Alas every idea the HRNZ comes up with is met with strong criticism here , even the rating system of horses and races put on . Nothing is right. But at least the HRNZ still Put races On , all round the country. good on em' . and that Keeps the participants in the sport for now . Quote
the galah Posted 6 hours ago Author Posted 6 hours ago 16 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Now days I find the stud service fee to be of little concern. its the day to day homing ,feeding ,training that takes its toll on the funds then the vet services can be eyewatering . And all these are much higher in the North ,even the hay is way more expensive ! Sadly the issues you have pointed out will only get worse. i've commented on them for many years now. Actually i've made suggestions how hrnz could have mitigated the impact,more recently suggesting HRNZ should have used their forbury money, to purchase strategically situated land and developed it for the purposes of supplying specific harness industry activity land use and harness industry related professional services, at rates which could have had the two fold effect of reducing costs for owners/breeders/trainers while at the same time being run in a way that was profit generating for the industry,that profit being reinvested in the industry . In effect a business model similar to that used by the exclusive brethren. but ,the way HRNZ operate and think, thats never going to happen. the north island being more expensive. Well its been like that for decades.I remeber noticing that 30 years ago when i travelled to the north island.And the reasons for that have only got more significant. Land values,land use,urban sprawl,population growth all factors which have negatively impacted on people who own horses. Look at those obvious factors i just mention,they directly are related to why some provinces have only large scale harness horse trainers and very few small time trainers. Auckland is the best example,yet for reasons which i find totally illogical,you get so many people telling us to ignore the population based causes and base ones thinking on population growth being a good thing. as i've said before,the same thing is playing out in canterbury,urban sprawl,the negative flow on impacts to harness racing will and are happening there. farm use,i.e .dairy farming is another factor which had a major impact on the harness industry. Just look at the land use in southland and how the dairying transformation there resulted in a different type of farmer with different interests. The sheep farmers with the harness horses in their paddocks cashed up and were replaced by dairying,with no horses. anyways,so much of what has significantly impacted the harness industry,e.g.land use,has been outside the industries control,but sadly they have never taken steps to mitigate the damage anyway. Not that long ago HRNZ put out a press release about approaching racing clubs to see if their land could be better utilised for harness racing. Having seen for years how tracks work and be run,i know thats a loser of an idea.HRNZ mean well with those thoughts,but in my opinion shouldn't waste their time working with that. They should either address the issue themselves without partnering racecourses ,or not at all. One thing HRNZ did do which i thought was good was they tried to set up a registry of agistment properties so people could use that as a starting point when looking to find somewhere for their horses. That was good thinking. But,i don't know whether they got much of a respeonse to that as i'm not on facebook,but my guess is they would have been disappointed with the response from people advising they could take horses in for grazing.From my own personal experiences of looking for somewhere to graze your horses at affordable rates,you can take years and approach hundreds,sometimes thousands of property owners with nothing in their paddocks and still find no one interested. . 1 Quote
the galah Posted 5 hours ago Author Posted 5 hours ago 7 minutes ago, the galah said: Sadly the issues you have pointed out will only get worse. i've commented on them for many years now. Actually i've made suggestions how hrnz could have mitigated the impact,more recently suggesting HRNZ should have used their forbury money, to purchase strategically situated land and developed it for the purposes of supplying specific harness industry activity land use and harness industry related professional services, at rates which could have had the two fold effect of reducing costs for owners/breeders/trainers while at the same time being run in a way that was profit generating for the industry,that profit being reinvested in the industry . In effect a business model similar to that used by the exclusive brethren. but ,the way HRNZ operate and think, thats never going to happen. the north island being more expensive. Well its been like that for decades.I remeber noticing that 30 years ago when i travelled to the north island.And the reasons for that have only got more significant. Land values,land use,urban sprawl,population growth all factors which have negatively impacted on people who own horses. Look at those obvious factors i just mention,they directly are related to why some provinces have only large scale harness horse trainers and very few small time trainers. Auckland is the best example,yet for reasons which i find totally illogical,you get so many people telling us to ignore the population based causes and base ones thinking on population growth being a good thing. as i've said before,the same thing is playing out in canterbury,urban sprawl,the negative flow on impacts to harness racing will and are happening there. farm use,i.e .dairy farming is another factor which had a major impact on the harness industry. Just look at the land use in southland and how the dairying transformation there resulted in a different type of farmer with different interests. The sheep farmers with the harness horses in their paddocks cashed up and were replaced by dairying,with no horses. anyways,so much of what has significantly impacted the harness industry,e.g.land use,has been outside the industries control,but sadly they have never taken steps to mitigate the damage anyway. Not that long ago HRNZ put out a press release about approaching racing clubs to see if their land could be better utilised for harness racing. Having seen for years how tracks work and be run,i know thats a loser of an idea.HRNZ mean well with those thoughts,but in my opinion shouldn't waste their time working with that. They should either address the issue themselves without partnering racecourses ,or not at all. One thing HRNZ did do which i thought was good was they tried to set up a registry of agistment properties so people could use that as a starting point when looking to find somewhere for their horses. That was good thinking. But,i don't know whether they got much of a respeonse to that as i'm not on facebook,but my guess is they would have been disappointed with the response from people advising they could take horses in for grazing.From my own personal experiences of looking for somewhere to graze your horses at affordable rates,you can take years and approach hundreds,sometimes thousands of property owners with nothing in their paddocks and still find no one interested. . oh and i do agree withyou tabman that entain have done many good things for the industry. Mr shannon appeared very switched on when it came to what makes harness racing and punters tick.Him going from entain is very unfortunate.Having said that i didn't agree with everything he pushed. personally i always wonder ,did the nz governement,when negotiating with tabcorp,realise the significance of the things that drive turnover. i.e. pre race coverage and betting pools sizes. Like tabcorp run the sky channel and they have their own pools on nz racing.Entain obviously was the better short term deal,but did those that negotiated the deal ever consider ,if they could have coerced tabcorp to agree to the deal and include guaranteed pre race lead in time for nz racing on their sky 1 channel and got undertakings from them to work to enable commingling with their pools on nz racing. Doesn't it make sense that could have been a better deal long term for the nz racing industry. 2 Quote
Rangatira Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago (edited) On 23/06/2025 at 11:05 AM, TAB For Ever said: Firstly cos it on the same time as Invercargill Cup day ,the big day down South and close to the rich Golden Gait day in Auckland. Looks like Harness 5000 on Sunday 21st. Invercargill Cup and Golden Gait on Friday 19th which is nutty and Premier drivers will have to choose one or other. Harness 5000 as a grass roots event could restrict it to drivers that drive a car that cost less than $5000 and is neither warranted or registered. Edited 5 hours ago by Rangatira 3 Quote
Brodie Posted 4 hours ago Posted 4 hours ago 2 hours ago, Gammalite said: the casino's (and TAB's) love to see a winner . That keeps them coming back. And they will lose more often than they win. Exactly as you said 'the Odds are ALways in their favour." tables , horses, Pokies , whatever. They have Limits . you can't just have a bloke walk in and put $10,000 on the Red in Roulette for example. THIS just encourages Desparate people to have a Life Changing 'Fling at glory'. As they will mostly lose. and lose Bigtime. RESTRICTIONS help the PUNTER to control the urge of losing Large amounts in one go . It is VITAL they do this or a heap of people around will Lose their House, their family, their livelihood and all as they are pretty Stupid Brodster. especially after a loss. . You know this !!. So should encourage Limits of spending 😉. Just an example for you mate, I had a nice friend who had a good job as a company Director, he used to patronise my small business before I sold it to the Chinese, and loves his horse racing. seemed a rational , normal bloke to me . But one Monday he came in and said he had flown down to Randwick on the Saturday as 'Had a good thing" to bet on. It didn't win . He chased the loss hard and told me he had spent $72,000 on the company card. when normally he wouldn't even use that. He did manage to keep his job but was a shell of a person afterwards I thought, hiding his secrets (and losses) you need Limits mate . that was an intelligent man lol . There's a LOT of not so intelligent folk around WHO WOULD LOSE EVERYThing if they were cut loose with out the restrictions that you say should be removed. Gamma, no problem whatsoever with the TAB putting maximum amounts being wagered by punters! My point and always has been is that the TAB discriminate against certain punters by restricting them and not others! They restrict Brodie and others to pathetically low amounts and yet they allow others to offload $13k and $40k without any problem!! The fact that this punter is not be a good punter should not give him/her any more rights from the TAB than the restricted punters! They are ethically and morally wrong and the punter that had the $40k on and won will not have restrictions placed on them despite winning $80k! Have restrictions and minimum amounts you are allowed to win but every punter should have the same opportunity! Quote
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