harness 5000

[Rangatira]

16 hours ago, paleface adios said:

What about sky major doing good job at stud hope he got some good mares 

$1000 ?

[mikeynz]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

a slap in the face for a Great Sport . great work, and Why not have a good time with it ? . Jump Ship ? while all the sports and Pokies continue to rake in not millions , BUT  billions from all the sport and machine gambling. 

Pick on one poster enjoying the Sport instead ?? and jump ship ?   couldn't organize a chook raffle you blokes. 

Everyone has to live within their means, if the government is propping up Entain that isnt a good and then for how long, or is the Greyhound man in charge telling porkies as he has a are to grind?

[Gammalite]

2 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

Everyone has to live within their means, if the government is propping up Entain that isnt a good and then for how long, or is the Greyhound man in charge telling porkies as he has a are to grind?

I Reckon the Government would love ENTAIN Mikey. they help greatly with the  collect of the gambling dollar from all those punters/gamblers out there , that get carried away and are spending their money , just chasing more money lol. 

Governments Just love the Gambling/alcohol and tobacco taxes. worth billions. 

They should help Entain collect some of it. Mad if they don't ?. 

Some supporters of the Harness sport . Like HRNZ for example , are just trying to Support the Sport. They have introduced new schemes , incentives , all sorts of things like the EXcellent Slot races at Cambridge and Show Day at Addington to attract the BEst horses.

even this thread the Harness 5000 , seems they are trying to exclude the Best on this occasion  🤣😂 to give the poor folk a go at bigger prizemoney lol. worth a try I spose. 🤔

The Golden Gait at Auckland gave 'loyal' local folk a go at some bigger bucks , etc .  Excellent Stuff !! 🏆

Alas every idea the HRNZ comes up with is met with strong  criticism here , even the rating system of horses and races put on . Nothing is right.  But at least the HRNZ still Put races On , all round the country. good on em' .   and that Keeps the participants in the sport for now . 

 

 

[the galah]

16 hours ago, TAB For Ever said:

Now days I find the stud service fee to be of little concern.

its the day to day homing ,feeding ,training that takes its toll on the funds then the vet services can be eyewatering .

And all these are much higher in the North ,even the hay is way more expensive !

Sadly the issues you have pointed out will only get worse.

i've commented on them for many years now. Actually i've made suggestions how hrnz could have mitigated the impact,more recently suggesting HRNZ should have used their forbury money, to purchase strategically situated land and developed it for the purposes of supplying specific harness industry activity land use and harness industry related professional services, at rates which could have had the two fold effect of reducing costs for owners/breeders/trainers while at the same time being run in a way that was profit generating for the industry,that profit being reinvested in the industry .

In effect a business model similar to that used by the exclusive brethren. 

but ,the way HRNZ operate and think, thats never going to happen.

the north island being more expensive. Well its been like that for decades.I remeber noticing that 30 years ago when i travelled to the north island.And the reasons for that have only got more significant. Land values,land use,urban sprawl,population growth all factors which have negatively impacted on people who own horses.

Look at those obvious factors i just mention,they directly are related to why some provinces have only large scale harness horse trainers and very few small time trainers.

Auckland is the best example,yet for reasons which i find totally illogical,you get so many people telling us to ignore the population based causes and base ones thinking on population growth being a good thing.

as i've said before,the same thing is playing out in canterbury,urban sprawl,the negative flow on impacts to harness racing will and are happening there.

farm use,i.e .dairy farming is another factor which had a major impact on the harness industry. Just look at the land use in southland and how the dairying transformation there resulted in a different type of farmer with different interests. The sheep farmers with the harness horses in their paddocks cashed up and were replaced by dairying,with no horses.

anyways,so much of what has significantly impacted the harness industry,e.g.land use,has been outside the industries control,but sadly they have never taken steps to mitigate the damage anyway.

Not that long ago HRNZ put out a press release about approaching racing clubs to see if their land could be better utilised for harness racing. Having seen for years how tracks work and be run,i know thats a loser of an idea.HRNZ mean well with those thoughts,but in my opinion shouldn't waste their time working with that. They should either address the issue themselves without partnering racecourses ,or not at all.

One thing HRNZ did do which i thought was good was they tried to set up a registry of agistment properties so people could use that as a starting point when looking to find somewhere for their horses. That was good thinking. But,i don't know whether they got much of a respeonse to that as i'm not on facebook,but my guess is they would have been disappointed with the response from people advising they could take horses in for grazing.From my own personal experiences of looking for somewhere to graze your horses at affordable rates,you can take years and approach hundreds,sometimes thousands of property owners with nothing in their paddocks and still find no one interested. .

[the galah]

7 minutes ago, the galah said:

Sadly the issues you have pointed out will only get worse.

i've commented on them for many years now. Actually i've made suggestions how hrnz could have mitigated the impact,more recently suggesting HRNZ should have used their forbury money, to purchase strategically situated land and developed it for the purposes of supplying specific harness industry activity land use and harness industry related professional services, at rates which could have had the two fold effect of reducing costs for owners/breeders/trainers while at the same time being run in a way that was profit generating for the industry,that profit being reinvested in the industry .

In effect a business model similar to that used by the exclusive brethren. 

but ,the way HRNZ operate and think, thats never going to happen.

the north island being more expensive. Well its been like that for decades.I remeber noticing that 30 years ago when i travelled to the north island.And the reasons for that have only got more significant. Land values,land use,urban sprawl,population growth all factors which have negatively impacted on people who own horses.

Look at those obvious factors i just mention,they directly are related to why some provinces have only large scale harness horse trainers and very few small time trainers.

Auckland is the best example,yet for reasons which i find totally illogical,you get so many people telling us to ignore the population based causes and base ones thinking on population growth being a good thing.

as i've said before,the same thing is playing out in canterbury,urban sprawl,the negative flow on impacts to harness racing will and are happening there.

farm use,i.e .dairy farming is another factor which had a major impact on the harness industry. Just look at the land use in southland and how the dairying transformation there resulted in a different type of farmer with different interests. The sheep farmers with the harness horses in their paddocks cashed up and were replaced by dairying,with no horses.

anyways,so much of what has significantly impacted the harness industry,e.g.land use,has been outside the industries control,but sadly they have never taken steps to mitigate the damage anyway.

Not that long ago HRNZ put out a press release about approaching racing clubs to see if their land could be better utilised for harness racing. Having seen for years how tracks work and be run,i know thats a loser of an idea.HRNZ mean well with those thoughts,but in my opinion shouldn't waste their time working with that. They should either address the issue themselves without partnering racecourses ,or not at all.

One thing HRNZ did do which i thought was good was they tried to set up a registry of agistment properties so people could use that as a starting point when looking to find somewhere for their horses. That was good thinking. But,i don't know whether they got much of a respeonse to that as i'm not on facebook,but my guess is they would have been disappointed with the response from people advising they could take horses in for grazing.From my own personal experiences of looking for somewhere to graze your horses at affordable rates,you can take years and approach hundreds,sometimes thousands of property owners with nothing in their paddocks and still find no one interested. .

oh and i do agree withyou  tabman that entain have done many good things for the industry.

Mr shannon appeared very switched on when it came to what makes harness racing and punters tick.Him going from entain is very unfortunate.Having said that i didn't agree with everything he pushed. 

personally i always wonder ,did the nz governement,when negotiating with tabcorp,realise the significance of the things that drive turnover. i.e. pre race coverage and betting pools sizes. Like tabcorp run the sky channel and they have their own pools on nz racing.Entain obviously was the better short term deal,but did those that negotiated the deal ever consider ,if they could have coerced tabcorp to agree to the deal and include guaranteed pre race lead in time for nz racing on their sky 1 channel and got undertakings from them to work to enable commingling with their pools on nz racing. Doesn't it make sense  that could have been a better deal long term for the nz racing industry.

[Rangatira]

On 23/06/2025 at 11:05 AM, TAB For Ever said:

Firstly cos it on the same time as Invercargill Cup day ,the big day down South and close to the rich Golden  Gait day in Auckland.

Looks like Harness 5000 on Sunday 21st.

Invercargill Cup and Golden Gait on Friday 19th which is nutty and Premier drivers will have to choose one or other.

Harness 5000 as a grass roots event could restrict it to drivers that drive a car that cost less than $5000 and is neither warranted or registered.

Edited June 25 by Rangatira

[Brodie]

2 hours ago, Gammalite said:

the casino's (and TAB's) love to see a winner . That keeps them coming back. And they will lose more often than they win. 

Exactly as you said 'the Odds are ALways in their favour."  tables , horses, Pokies , whatever. 

They have Limits . you can't just have a bloke walk in and put $10,000 on the Red in Roulette for example.

THIS just encourages Desparate people to have a Life Changing 'Fling at glory'. As they will mostly lose. and lose Bigtime.

RESTRICTIONS help the PUNTER to control the urge of losing Large amounts in one go .

It is VITAL they do this or a heap of people around will Lose their House, their family, their livelihood and all as they are pretty Stupid Brodster. especially after a loss.  . You know this !!. So should encourage Limits of spending 😉. 

Just an example for you mate, I had a nice friend who had a good job as a company Director, he used to patronise my small business before I sold it to the Chinese, and loves his horse racing. seemed a rational , normal bloke to me . But one Monday he came in and said he had flown down to Randwick on the Saturday as 'Had a good thing" to bet on. It didn't win . He chased the loss hard and told me he had spent $72,000 on the company card. when normally he wouldn't even use that. He did manage to keep his job but was a shell of a person afterwards I thought, hiding his secrets (and losses) you need Limits mate . that was an intelligent man lol . There's a LOT of not so intelligent folk around WHO WOULD LOSE EVERYThing  if they were cut loose with out the restrictions that you say should be removed.      

Gamma, no problem whatsoever with the TAB putting maximum amounts being wagered by punters!

My point and always has been is  that the TAB discriminate against certain punters by restricting them and not others!
They restrict Brodie and others to pathetically low amounts and yet they allow others to offload $13k and $40k without any problem!!

The fact that  this punter is  not be a good punter should not give him/her any more rights from the TAB than the restricted punters!

They are ethically and morally wrong and the punter that had the $40k on and won will not have restrictions placed on them despite winning $80k!

Have restrictions and minimum amounts you are allowed to win but every punter should have the same opportunity!

 

 

 

[paleface adios]

3 hours ago, Rangatira said:

$1000 ?

Yep

[mikeynz]

Just reading the story again about the government funding Entain, it says it's in the agreement, well that is a bit different, if that's what it is sobeit, it dont appear to be a bailout, should they though, that's up for debate.

Edited June 25 by mikeynz

[the galah]

On 23/06/2025 at 9:45 AM, the galah said:

so hrnz have come up with a series designed to support the people who bred their mares to stallions who cost $5000 or less.

They say the concept is to support people at the grass roots level.

a $720,000 stakes raceday consisting of 12 races run for $60,000.

Now i get what HRNZ are trying to do. They have received significant criticism for prioritising the top end and doing next to nothing for the grassroots level.

So,i give them points for trying with this new concept.

But what i don't get is why they came up with the concept of only people with horses who spent under $5000 on a stallion.

My criticism of HRNZ has always been for 2 main reasons.

1)they haven't been fiscally responsible with their spending on stakes on top end races. put simply,they aren't erning enough to spend as they have been.

so,its apparent how they think,in effect overspend even more to keep more people happy by providing races with good stakes.

i just don't get how that makes any sense.

2)you can't prioritise one group ahead of another, In other words everyone has to get a fair go.

When they have limited the series to stallions $5,000 or under,they have prioritised that group of people. And the strange thing about that is how they seem to think $5000 is the magical figure that grass roots people max out on when breeding their mares.

I just don't get how thats fair to people at the grassroots level who have spent more than $5,000 on a stallion.

I just look out the window and see a couple we have and think,well that would have excluded them had we still been going, as we spent $6,000.  But whether it be $5,000 or $10000 or whatever,isn't the point,the point is the type of races and the level at which they participate.

and also lets not forget,even the elite like the jones /hopes/dalgeties and the like have owners/breeders who race many bred and butter horses,whom are by sires they paid relatively high stud fees for. Why are the owners of those horses not included.

so i don't think prioritising any group is a good thing.

so Hrnz are at least trying,but I just don't think they have come up with a way that gets the greatest impact.

actually is was watching a programme on the catholic church in poland the other night and it was discussing declining numbers that were going to churches over there. 

They highlighted how a couple of churches were doing great numbers wise and bucked the trend. They interviewed the priest at one of thoses busy churches and he said the church should be focussing on connecting with people at the grassroots level more like he was and not focussing as much as what goes on higher up..No matter what it may be,that is always the way things should flow.

so i didn't think the harness 5000 was a bright idea from the start and its proved worse than even i had anticipated.

A 4 horse field running in the 3 year old fillies race with one of the starters not having run any better than 10th in non win races in recent starts.

a race where a couple of horses that ran in the trotting derby can race against maidens.

A race where a rating 82 horse takes on a 10 horse field which includes a totally out of form non win southland horse. 

the idea of including 3 year olds was dumb,,but not even i realised just how comical it would turn out.

anyone with any brains would have realised that you would get full fields in the 5 year old and older,because that was for horses aged .5,6,7,8,9,10,11 plus . So all those grouped into one.

But the 3 year olds, who already are getting preferential treatment with their penalty free wins and age group races they can run in,supposedly considered to deserve their own race ..

there was many things that this series of races had wrong with it concept wise and they have just played out pretty much as expected,if not worse.

So you've had this harness 5000, the 2 year old bonuses and the harness plus schemes and the promoting bonuses that you knew would be cancelled in the future like the nz bred based sire bonuses.

everyone of them anyone with much sense could have told you beforehand, there were major flaws in the concepts.

this is yet another,i told you so moment.

why should people have any conficedence in the decision makers when they get it wrong all the time.Beats me.

Edited yesterday at 02:18 AM by the galah

[mikeynz]

41 minutes ago, the galah said:

so i didn't think the harness 5000 was a bright idea from the start and its proved worse than even i had anticipated.

A 4 horse field running in the 3 year old fillies race with one of the starters not having run any better than 10th in non win races in recent starts.

a race where a couple of horses that ran in the trotting derby can race against maidens.

A race where a rating 82 horse takes on a 10 horse field which includes a totally out of form non win southland horse. 

the idea of including 3 year olds was dumb,,but not even i realised just how comical it would turn out.

anyone with any brains would have realised that you would get full fields in the 5 year old and older,because that was for horses aged .5,6,7,8,9,10,11 plus . So all those grouped into one.

But the 3 year olds, who already are getting preferential treatment with their penalty free wins and age group races they can run in,supposedly considered to deserve their own race ..

there was many things that this series of races had wrong with it concept wise and they have just played out pretty much as expected,if not worse.

So you've had this harness 5000, the 2 year old bonuses and the harness plus schemes and the promoting bonuses that you knew would be cancelled in the future like the nz bred based sire bonuses.

everyone of them anyone with much sense could have told you beforehand, there were major flaws in the concepts.

this is yet another,i told you so moment.

why should people have any conficedence in the decision makers when they get it wrong all the time.Beats me.

I think in the main pacers races at Alexandra Park a rating 90 is racing some who are in the 50s, they call noms and then make the fields but is that competitive like for like racing, can't blame connections putting horses up for racing but a 35 points variance, that's a lot, at least the Cup at Invercargill is rating 70 with handicap, good they didn't have to adjust to a 55+ or something, just to make up numbers.

[Westview]

4 hours ago, the galah said:

so i didn't think the harness 5000 was a bright idea from the start and its proved worse than even i had anticipated.

A 4 horse field running in the 3 year old fillies race with one of the starters not having run any better than 10th in non win races in recent starts.

a race where a couple of horses that ran in the trotting derby can race against maidens.

A race where a rating 82 horse takes on a 10 horse field which includes a totally out of form non win southland horse. 

the idea of including 3 year olds was dumb,,but not even i realised just how comical it would turn out.

anyone with any brains would have realised that you would get full fields in the 5 year old and older,because that was for horses aged .5,6,7,8,9,10,11 plus . So all those grouped into one.

But the 3 year olds, who already are getting preferential treatment with their penalty free wins and age group races they can run in,supposedly considered to deserve their own race ..

there was many things that this series of races had wrong with it concept wise and they have just played out pretty much as expected,if not worse.

So you've had this harness 5000, the 2 year old bonuses and the harness plus schemes and the promoting bonuses that you knew would be cancelled in the future like the nz bred based sire bonuses.

everyone of them anyone with much sense could have told you beforehand, there were major flaws in the concepts.

this is yet another,i told you so moment.

why should people have any conficedence in the decision makers when they get it wrong all the time.Beats me.

I do wonder what modeling was done on the age categories but Brad Steele has stated if things aren't working he will step in and change it , timing of the series doesn't make much sense with the golden gate at Alex Park along with the Invercargill cup meeting all in the same weekend obviously having a dramatic effect on horses traveling. 

[Nowornever]

2 hours ago, Westview said:

timing of the series doesn't make much sense with the golden gate at Alex Park along with the Invercargill cup meeting all in the same weekend obviously having a dramatic effect on horses traveling

I am surprised they didn't try to program Ashburton and Invercargill on the same day. Wouldn't be the first time.

[the galah]

2 hours ago, Westview said:

I do wonder what modeling was done on the age categories but Brad Steele has stated if things aren't working he will step in and change it , timing of the series doesn't make much sense with the golden gate at Alex Park along with the Invercargill cup meeting all in the same weekend obviously having a dramatic effect on horses traveling. 

its well and good to say they will learn from it and change,but when many of the issues  seemed obvious in the first place wouldn't you have to ask,how much poor decision making does there have to be, before people realise there is a pattern.

as to mr steele saying if things aren't working he will step in and change it.

Does anyone take that seriously.What about the ATC?

[Brodie]

9 hours ago, the galah said:

its well and good to say they will learn from it and change,but when many of the issues  seemed obvious in the first place wouldn't you have to ask,how much poor decision making does there have to be, before people realise there is a pattern.

as to mr steele saying if things aren't working he will step in and change it.

Does anyone take that seriously.What about the ATC?

Geez, it is just so frustrating for us to see just how poorly managed harness racing is at the moment!

If things arent working he will step in and change things?

Seriously, does he really not realise the consequences of poor financial decisions?

At the end of the day the free money is going to stop and then what?

Read the article on the thoroughbred site of BOAY and anyone with half a brain will be able to see what is going on with Entain, and it is not going to be pretty for harness racing in two years time!

Its ok though we can afford to pay out $60k for a 4 horse race that is going to generate nothing.

Crazy stuff, but its all good, Brad Steele says things are positive for harness 😂 

Edited 9 hours ago by Brodie

[Nowornever]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

Geez, it is just so frustrating for us to see just how poorly managed harness racing is at the moment!

If things arent working he will step in and change things?

Seriously, does he really not realise the consequences of poor financial decisions?

At the end of the day the free money is going to stop and then what?

Read the article on the thoroughbred site of BOAY and anyone with half a brain will be able to see what is going on with Entain, and it is not going to be pretty for harness racing in two years time!

Its ok though we can afford to pay out $60k for a 4 horse race that is going to generate nothing.

Crazy stuff, but its all good, Brad Steele says things are positive for harness 😂 

Don't worry Brodie they are going to class all the tracks into Metropolitan, Regional and Country that will fix it!

[Gammalite]

22 hours ago, the galah said:

everyone of them anyone with much sense could have told you beforehand, there were major flaws in the concepts.

this is yet another,i told you so moment.

why should people have any conficedence in the decision makers when they get it wrong all the time.Beats me.

Looks an amazing concept.

Can'tbelieve that NZ has got such great people running the show , they came up with this idea to give the Grass Roots players a go at some Big cash? this is great how it's panned out. 

The Very people (grass roots)  You and Brodie Call for all the time for the HRNZ to support instead of the Rich and famous at Auckland.? and yet you say it's a fail like every thing else?  .

Well the Owners and Trainers racing on the day Won't agree with you either . Barely a Allstars, Cullen, Kentuckiana, TELFER , Dunn, Jones or Todd runner in sight. All your Grass Roots trainers Getting a BIG Go at Great money instead. Fantistico old mate. 

Best of luck to Nigel with his Dunn runner though, and the many people Having a go at some $60,000 stakes. a very deserving man with his efforts for NZ harness racing.

Well done Ashburton !! and well done HRNZ once again . for looking after Grass roots. ( the big guys all got to play Cup week and did well against the Aussies) 

p.s Don't worry about the 4 horse field R1 so much . It's only One race cobber. You'll survive .😅  just congratulate the opportunity that Hanna, Negus, Twidle or Gameson on have to get a listed 3 yearold filly winner for themselves !! and their owners 🏆 this is just amazing 👍 and what you guys wanted not not long ago ?. Changed your mind it seems . Oh well. will be merry Christmas to those Ashburton anyway. BOAY will just have to 'weep' as usual 🤣  

 

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Looks an amazing concept.

Can'tbelieve that NZ has got such great people running the show , they came up with this idea to give the Grass Roots players a go at some Big cash? this is great how it's panned out. 

The Very people (grass roots)  You and Brodie Call for all the time for the HRNZ to support instead of the Rich and famous at Auckland.? and yet you say it's a fail like every thing else?  .

Well the Owners and Trainers racing on the day Won't agree with you either . Barely a Allstars, Cullen, Kentuckiana, TELFER , Dunn, Jones or Todd runner in sight. All your Grass Roots trainers Getting a BIG Go at Great money instead. Fantistico old mate. 

Best of luck to Nigel with his Dunn runner though, and the many people Having a go at some $60,000 stakes. a very deserving man with his efforts for NZ harness racing.

Well done Ashburton !! and well done HRNZ once again . for looking after Grass roots. ( the big guys all got to play Cup week and did well against the Aussies) 

p.s Don't worry about the 4 horse field R1 so much . It's only One race cobber. You'll survive .😅  just congratulate the opportunity that Hanna, Negus, Twidle or Gameson on have to get a listed 3 yearold filly winner for themselves !! and their owners 🏆 this is just amazing 👍 and what you guys wanted not not long ago ?. Changed your mind it seems . Oh well. will be merry Christmas to those Ashburton anyway. BOAY will just have to 'weep' as usual 🤣  

 

at least your consistent gammalite.

any time you see an inflated stake with a small field,you express the opinion its a good thing,while at the same time saying you see no problem with the plodders running in full fields for $6000 stakes.

1/3 of the races at ashburton are for 3 year olds and the field sizes range from 4-11.

thats right,not one of the 3 year old races could get enough interest from the whole of nz to run anywhere near a full field and that was even considering they are paying $1000 for every starter just to turn up.

they could very easily have come up with a concept with conditions that would have seen them get 12 full fields,but as usual they weren't smart enough to do so.Just dumb as really.

and have you even bothered to see what the tab ff odds indicate as to the gap in abilities of those competeing.

There are so many red hot favorites . The current prices of the favorites are  $1.50, 1.16 ,1.30, 1.70, 1.50, 2.15, 3.60, 2.10, 1.50,2.40, 1.10, 3.20.

So half of the races will have favorites paying under $1.50 and 10 of the 12 favorites come from stables whose trainers are in the top 20 on the premiership.

 

Meanwhile we have another current thread about the stakes levels at methven. On that thread we have the methven man saying,well our club is the club that runs the races that generate the income to provide hrnz with the money to pay stakes.

Then in the next breath hes saying,their stakes are low ,because thats all hrnz fund them.

harness racing is an upside down world.

As far as you saying well done ashburton. Whats ashburton got to do with whether it was a good or bad concept. They are simply the track hrnz decided would be used. Ashburton wouldn't be silly enough to use their own money to run a race meeting that will run at a huge loss financially for them.  Thats what happens in the north island,not the south.e.g. cambridge and their slot races.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by the galah

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

any time you see an inflated stake with a small field,you express the opinion its a good thing,while at the same time saying you see no problem with the plodders running in full fields for $6000 stakes.

1/3 of the races at ashburton are for 3 year olds and the field sizes range from 4-11.

yes ,I'm just used to the 'normal ' horses running around for $6000. just seems normal to be the case for the hobby trainers. 

NZ giving the smaller bloke a go seems so magical ?  like this Sunday coming? so few chances for the hard workers to get some of the rewards

like the Golden Gait initiative at Auckland . how good was that ? . can't see a thing wrong with it myself. Australian STates just have 'Sires Stakes' racing for horses bred in that state (just as NZ does well as each year too), but the BIG stables still MUG the smaller ones 90% of the time in those races. in the  2 , 3 and 4 year old divisions. Is just the way it is . breeders and yearling buyers target those races.   Allstars won the 3 year old NZ one 10 years running.

(NZ Introducing the Betcha Pace, TAB trot for open class,  and Velocity and Ascent Slot races for 3 yearolds for the very best around. was also excellent . you've had about 12 of those events so far and they are 12 of the best races ever run in NZ, so is good for the BIG guy to get a go too. they support the industry and Mugs can buy a slot too , and enjoy a big win for the day. example = A team of South Australian people Won the $2,000,000 Eureka Slot (the richest Australia race)  with their horse defeating Leap To Fame into 2nd place.

Dreams can happen with great initiatives Mr Galah 🏆. no good just dabbling on the grass all the time. lol 😉

I hope the Ashburton meeting is successful Sunday for all you guys and HRNZ too. The owners who are going are sure to have a great day .  don't worry about the betting.

1 hour ago, the galah said:

Then in the next breath hes saying,their stakes are low ,because thats all hrnz fund them.

exactly right. they fund all the races from the annual allotment . whatever the Betting. so well done Entain and Ladbrokes too that have chipped in to help keep them high in New Zealand. 

Meanwhile , What do you think of this below ? Quite amazing such a big organisation worth millions could trade bust? this is the one you blokes should complain about . instead of hammering the brilliant HRNZ full of kiwi blokes Trying to keep your dying sport afloat ??

HRNZ aren't trading poorly like this mob of ATC , that obviously PAID OUT FAR too much in Prizemoney trying to compete with Victorian Racing . This is where Brodster could direct his Financial Failure's accusations , as seems this mob have done TERRIBLY , in an industry that wasn't dying. (Aus thoroughbreds) but some greedy Buggers have done something bad it seems. (taken or spent all the cash ?  lol 🤣)

The Australian Turf Club (ATC) has been placed into the hands of an administrator following an announcement by the sport's regulator on Monday.

Racing NSW (RNSW) said the industry's principal race club – which manages racing at Randwick, Rosehill, Warwick Farm and Canterbury – would enter an administration period to "provide an opportunity for the ATC to improve its financial performance and address serious financial issues".

The move follows Racing NSW issuing the ATC with a "show cause" notice back in September due to growing concerns about the club's ongoing solvency and corporate governance, following the shock resignation of board members Ban Bayot and Natalie Hewson in September.