On The Money

[Taku Umanga]

On what planet would the original conditions of the race have this part "Also horses with 1 win since 25/07/2025 if driven by a concession junior driver."

The original conditions (and fields) were out before Origin won on 25/7/2025.

The conditions were changed to align with the rules that allowed the horse to remain entered in its original position off the front.

  

[Brodie]

Taku is totally correct they altered the conditions of the race after Origin won on Friday night!

Yes very poor and is a continuation of some of the shocking decisions being made!

When Origin won, HRNZ had it up for a short time with Origin starting of 20 metres so I also didnt give it a great chance of winning.

Appalling decision by HRNZ once again and have never ever seen this done before ever!

Nothing surprises us anymore as there is preferential treatment for some  and also victimisation towards others in racing in NZ!

Look forward to getting the defense from HRNZ, but they will say nothing to see here?

Edited 9 hours ago by Brodie

[the galah]

well,i'm now consideing there is the possibilty that they put that condition in when the fields came out,that is prior to origin winninng on friday.

now i not saying that happened. i don't know.Others on here are saying,defintely not that.

But it does seem the only likely available escape route for those who handicapped that race,otherwise it seems corruption and favoritism,if whats alleged is true..

I just find it hard,even with my sometimes lack of confidence in how they run hrnz,,that  they couldn't possibly be that dumb as to score  an own goal of that magnitude. Could they really be that stupid?

Especially when they have people like mark jones already criticising the handicapping system and people.

But even on best case scenario for hrnz,the other  1 win horses were still excluded from being able to take advantage of starting off the front, if driven by a concession junior,like origin was

Does the owner or trainer of origin have some connection to the handicappers. 

or maybe someone at hrnz has deliberately sabotaged the handicappers ,so as to look corrupt.

corruption-i just goggled its meaning to confirm its the appropriate word"the process by which a word or expression is changed from its original state to one regareded as erroneous or debased"

seems thats the right word if what everyone is saying is true.

what more can you say.

Edited 7 hours ago by the galah

[Taku Umanga]

4 hours ago, the galah said:

well,i'm now consideing there is the possibilty that they put that condition in when the fields came out,that is prior to origin winninng on friday.

now i not saying that happened. i don't know.Others on here are saying,defintely not that.

But it does seem the only likely available escape route for those who handicapped that race,otherwise it seems corruption and favoritism,if whats alleged is true..

I just find it hard,even with my sometimes lack of confidence in how they run hrnz,,that  they couldn't possibly be that dumb as to score  an own goal of that magnitude. Could they really be that stupid?

Especially when they have people like mark jones already criticising the handicapping system and people.

But even on best case scenario for hrnz,the other  1 win horses were still excluded from being able to take advantage of starting off the front, if driven by a concession junior,like origin was

Does the owner or trainer of origin have some connection to the handicappers. 

or maybe someone at hrnz has deliberately sabotaged the handicappers ,so as to look corrupt.

corruption-i just goggled its meaning to confirm its the appropriate word"the process by which a word or expression is changed from its original state to one regareded as erroneous or debased"

seems thats the right word if what everyone is saying is true.

what more can you say.

 

As Brodie said, after the horse won on Friday it was initially shown in the fields as being re-handicapped off 20m.

Someone has obviously pointed out the rule (posted above) to the handicapper and the conditions of the race were changed to align with that rule.

How can it be "corruption" when the rules allow it?

Edited 2 hours ago by Taku Umanga

[Blackie]

I very much doubt you can change conditions after fields are published, they can after nominations to get the maximum field but surely not after a field is published. They should have not changed anything and just allowed the new rule to work (ie concession driver on so they can still start) if they knew about it, obviously not. That rule should be void for a maiden winner being able to start again against maidens, seems wrong. Own goal there.

[Taku Umanga]

29 minutes ago, Blackie said:

I very much doubt you can change conditions after fields are published, they can after nominations to get the maximum field but surely not after a field is published. They should have not changed anything and just allowed the new rule to work (ie concession driver on so they can still start) if they knew about it, obviously not. That rule should be void for a maiden winner being able to start again against maidens, seems wrong. Own goal there.

Changing the original conditions to fit the final fields has been happening for years.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Taku Umanga