Will You Now Bet More With Tab / Betcha?

[Newmarket]

Hi All, 

Be interesting to see what % of everyone’s betting will now look like, let’s see if the reclaimed leakage will reward Entain. You know my views 🤣, I’m filthy, hate being told where and how I can spend my hard earnt…

Anyway, here is my split again, 

Sportsbet 45%, Betcha 45%, Tab 10%. 
 

Right, so Sportsbet gone now, I will never invest this money in NZ. 
Tab, dropped them bigtime lately, have withdrawn all money, I may take up a decent deposit match offer if it’s decent, otherwise will not use. 
So that leaves Betcha, have been given regular promos etc, still peeved so have decided to cut back as well for now. 

So now, here is my new spend, Betcha around the 25% turnover, Tab 0-10%…. so already a decrease for Entain. I’m sort of looking forward to more time,  especially on a Saturday doing other things, and of course more money in the pockets some weeks.

Whats your views, do anyone see themselves betting more in NZ 👍

[curious]

I'm currently about 10% TAB/Betcha, 60% various Oz providers, 30% UK/US.

I'll probably double my TAB/Betcha to about 20% of current turnover but the rest will not be bet at all.

I'll possibly stop betting altogether by the end of the year.

Edited 10 hours ago by curious

[Newmarket]

36 minutes ago, curious said:

I'm currently about 10% TAB/Betcha, 60% various Oz providers, 30% UK/US.

I'll probably double my TAB/Betcha to about 20% of current turnover but the rest will not be bet at all.

I'll possibly stop betting altogether by the end of the year.

Wow, is the reason you may stop betting end of year due to non overseas gambling ?

[curious]

Partly, but was thinking of "retiring" from that anyway. It's mainly been done to fund racing a horse or horses in recent years + the challenge and I'm on my last of those racehorses too and it will either be retired or paying its own way by then.

[Murray Fish]

9 hours ago, Newmarket said:

Whats your views, do anyone see themselves betting more in NZ 👍

100% no

1 hour ago, curious said:

I'll possibly stop betting altogether by the end of the year.

my date is march 2026

1 hour ago, Newmarket said:

Wow, is the reason you may stop betting end of year due to non overseas gambling

not personally! more so for me about the sad reality of me being rather seriously Bitter and Twisted! spite!  more on that sort of thing below!

1 hour ago, curious said:

but was thinking of "retiring"

Personally, my betting has been decreasing year on year, both the number of bets and the size of the bets. Mostly around the state of the tracks and the way racing has/is being shown on TV. Of course the take out rates on many bets are just vulgar and only a 'mug'  or fun punter would be playing into them!

Re the tracks, once when I was in a very privileged position of having the ear to the opinions of some very successful jockeys (and a couple of Trainers)  I learnt that once moister increases on a track then X horses don't gallop their best! Paradoxically, A horse that might like a track with some increased moister but still not actually gallop their best on the track presented on that day! With head office dictating that a track must be x at the start of the day has meant that x amount of water has to be put on! Leading to different parts of a track having a different x rating, Meaning a horse might be handling and not handling a track on any given day! Over the ditch there has been some interesting research showing this to be in play! Trying to pick a winner has got harder in my book for most punters!  though,  for a small vein of punters,  with connections to a leading rider/stable,  it might have got a tad easier because the depth of competition in many races is no longer there!  Hence, as the tracks have seriously play worse! My betting has massively decreased!  At certain tracks, where I used to do most of my serious punting, as they got so bad that I stopped betting on them! As in Trentham and Riccarton!

Re Coverage of Racing.  

A while back (20 years ago???) as the ever increasing quality of  digital camera technology came into being,  it was 'promised' that we would be getting better coverage from the Track.  In a very small way that has happen, as in Champions day.  ( a day in which I rather shocked myself by having 5 decent bets)  What has increased! massively  has be the number races are shown! The build up to most  races has decreased! Often you don't get to see all the horses! At times you don't even get to see all the favourites in a race! As a punter whose betting is 95% framed around how well 'my punting eye' see the horse in their prerace presentation, in how well they do their prelims and how well the look around at the starting stalls! More often than not! I ended up getting rather frustrated!!!  The reality of the 'a race every 5mins' and with that the lack of seeing the horses has meant that I slowly stopped watching lots of nz races, which meant that the number of horses that I had/have in my 'blackbook' has slowly but surely been decreasing and with that my number of bets have decreased as well! 

A while ago, 'marketing dept championed the halo effect',  once that was very true about me and my betting.  I was involved with a couple of betting syndicates. A couple of them turned over 100k plus, year on year.  My main key role in them was to find suitable horses for the black type races. As the reality of watering the tracks kicked in and I voiced my thoughts on them! I started to get some kick back from certain key paid players in the game! One even writing to many claiming that I need to be 'blackballed' out of Industry! I would like to think that my directed criticism did help in changing the reality around "it is no longer acceptable to send the riders around in the 1st to Prove that the track is not safe!!!"  I tip my hat to 'the stipes' who now front up and will make the call to stop racing on any given day!  Sadly, the historical problems with many tracks is still being played out!

Perhaps something on Sports betting!

It has been something that I have always had a interest, going back way before the TAB got involved.  Back when I use to run a Billiards Room I use to 'run a book'   Once the TAB offered their odds! Team R&B winning rather a lot was very profitable! I only wound down as Rugby became rather boring to watch!  It surprises many today when I stop watching/betting.  Jumping to the present, for the last couple of years my betting has moved over to NFL in a very minor way! MLB now has my focus, I love how there is so much info re this sport, if you want to find it and use it. If I was ever to get serious and be trying to pay the rent via betting on anything, then this would be the sport!  If I was going to be doing so! then I don't see how you could be successful enough betting with the TAB,  as I think serious abridging would be need to grind out a profit! Betting with multiple bookies would be needed!  I reckon for modern betting, lots of focused brain power is needed,  age  negates that so! leaving,  it be off to the punters retirement home..

Also, one thing that has keep me in, not betting related! is the reality of my 'racing photo collection'. I'm slowly getting it better organised, am working on doing some sort of 'final showing', sigh.... What I do know is the end of my interest re 'things racing' is on track to me being gone! Knowing that there are other areas in my life that I can be getting a lot more joy from!

rave over!!

ps, I could say  that I have been hanging in there as backroom support for a certain jockey, that has now came to a end....

 

[PeterLambFan]

13 hours ago, Newmarket said:

Whats your views, do anyone see themselves betting more in NZ 👍

I personally don't think I will spend any more than I already did with the TAB. In fact I may even spend less as I won't be putting as much time into looking at the odds and working out where I see value.

I do a bit of live betting as I can often find value there or even arbitrage opportunities, obviously the latter becomes more difficult with one operator and I do find there website live delays quite frustrating. 

I would suspect the type of punters they will pick up are the ones betting into your first try scorer and sports multi markets.

I have shares in 4 horses at present, I am fairly confident these will be my last four (not because of this decision) as I am loosing a bit of interest in racing and the Entain money will run out in a few years.

 

 

 

[Freda]

Sadly, many I speak with voice the same opinions.  Not totally do with the TAB stuff, but that as well as general dissatisfaction with so much of the operational decisions.  The programming, the obvious bias against the south, the awareness [ which has been slow to come to many ] that the lolly-scramble will run out in another 2 and a half years - unless there really is a rabbit in the hat - is sapping the enthusiasm of so many participants.