Te Akau secure South Island Trainers’ Premiership

[Chief Stipe]

Also the BS from @Scooby3051 about a SI trainer NEVER being able to win a SI Premiership flies in the face of his previous anti-Te Akau comments were he said they only send down their worst horses and have a shocking strike rate!  Which wasn't true either.

Anyway it looks like @Pitman has been feeding @Scooby3051 posts to post so he can avoid public scrutiny while still stirring the pot.  All @Pitman needed to do with his 429 starters was improve his strike rate from 10.73 to 9.23 and he would have bolted in.  Perhaps that is something a competitive trainer should aim for.

 

[curious]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

 It is still listed under the Riccarton stable but we all know that NZTR are notoriously slow at paperwork.  

Don't agree with that at all. In my experience NZTR are extremely prompt and efficient with this sort of thing. More likely busy trainers a bit delinquent with their change of stable paperwork if that is necessary here.

Edited Friday at 11:34 PM by curious

[Chief Stipe]

40 minutes ago, curious said:

Don't agree with that at all. In my experience NZTR are extremely prompt and efficient with this sort of thing. More likely busy trainers a bit delinquent with their change of stable paperwork if that is necessary here.

Perhaps it is their website that is slow to update.  Particularly changes of ownership.

But I guess the point is that Malmaison was domiciled at the Riccarton Stables for the first four months of the last season.  Now back in the North.  Who knows could still be heading back to Riccarton but would appear to be on a comeback from that last race at Trentham.

[Muzza]

1 hour ago, curious said:

Don't agree with that at all. In my experience NZTR are extremely prompt and efficient with this sort of thing. More likely busy trainers a bit delinquent with their change of stable paperwork if that is necessary here.

But don't hot shot stables employ office staff to do the paperwork.

[Chief Stipe]

31 minutes ago, Muzza said:

But don't hot shot stables employ office staff to do the paperwork.

Geez now we are down to worrying about paperwork.  Who knows perhaps Malmaison is heading back to Riccarton after his Taupo comeback trial.

[Huey]

On 2/08/2025 at 11:26 AM, Chief Stipe said:

Also the BS from @Scooby3051 about a SI trainer NEVER being able to win a SI Premiership flies in the face of his previous anti-Te Akau comments were he said they only send down their worst horses and have a shocking strike rate!  Which wasn't true either.

Anyway it looks like @Pitman has been feeding @Scooby3051 posts to post so he can avoid public scrutiny while still stirring the pot.  All @Pitman needed to do with his 429 starters was improve his strike rate from 10.73 to 9.23 and he would have bolted in.  Perhaps that is something a competitive trainer should aim for.

 

Good to see someone finally see the light, old scoobs is 100% right in this case it is a rort,  nothing unusual there when the chiefs favorites are involved. 

[Muzza]

3 minutes ago, Huey said:

Good to see someone finally see the light, old scoobs is 100% right in this case it is a rort,  nothing unusual there when the chiefs favorites are involved. 

Correct. 

[All The Aces]

Not sure why anyone really cares to be honest. Why are people getting their tits in a tangle? 

There is no official award or prize to the best of my knowledge and certainly no mention of it in the awards at Horse Of The Year next month.

NZTR only shows National tallies for both trainers and jockeys throughout the year.    

 

[curious]

57 minutes ago, All The Aces said:

Not sure why anyone really cares to be honest. Why are people getting their tits in a tangle? 

Bloody good question

[Huey]

1 hour ago, All The Aces said:

Not sure why anyone really cares to be honest. Why are people getting their tits in a tangle? 

There is no official award or prize to the best of my knowledge and certainly no mention of it in the awards at Horse Of The Year next month.

NZTR only shows National tallies for both trainers and jockeys throughout the year.    

 

Then why advertise it as such ?

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Huey said:

Then why advertise it as such ?

Ask @Pitman why it matters so much.

[Huey]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Ask @Pitman why it matters so much.

Why?

[Chief Stipe]

6 hours ago, Huey said:

Why?

My point exactly.

[Chief Stipe]

At the end of the day looking at it without any complexity.  The number of wins in the South Island was:

Te Akau 49 Strike Rate 6.22

Pitman 40 Strike Rate 10.5

So much for those saying Te Akau have an "appalling Strike Rate in the South Island" - it is actually better than their NZ average. 

@Scooby3051

[Huey]

8 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

At the end of the day looking at it without any complexity.  The number of wins in the South Island was:

Te Akau 49 Strike Rate 6.22

Pitman 40 Strike Rate 10.5

So much for those saying Te Akau have an "appalling Strike Rate in the South Island" - it is actually better than their NZ average. 

@Scooby3051

Here we go trying to justify it! 

How about the 8 week clause?

[Chief Stipe]

7 minutes ago, Huey said:

Here we go trying to justify it! 

How about the 8 week clause?

Justify what?  Pitty throwing his toys out of the cot - AGAIN!  Or the fact Te Akau had 49 wins in the South Island at a strike rate of 6.22?  

Te Akau started their horses 305 times in the South Island and arguably lifted the quality of those races they competed in.  South Island racing benefited.  

Pitman crying a river isn't the South Island way that I was brought up on.  Imagine if Canterbury rugby moaned that Auckland and Waikato had all the advantages and they didn't.  

[curious]

49 minutes ago, Huey said:

How about the 8 week clause?

Do you mean the 8 week clause saying the stable has to have been present in the SI for 8 weeks? Don't see how that comes into play when the Walker/Bergerson winning one has been there all season?

[Chief Stipe]

14 minutes ago, curious said:

Do you mean the 8 week clause saying the stable has to have been present in the SI for 8 weeks? Don't see how that comes into play when the Walker/Bergerson winning one has been there all season?

Correct.  The noise from one quarter is pittiful.

[Gammalite]

Seems to me it's Pitman stable who are missing out if they are a NZ leading stable.

In the trotting circles of light the 2 leading NZ barns of Dunns and Telfers compete very strongly out of Satellite Stables in the North Island for many wins , as well as maintaining their Strong South Island Base.

Te Akau seem to perform well in the South with a it's wins from the Satellite stable there. so good on em'.

Maybe the Young Pitman should set up in the North Island a team ? and leave dad to manage the South team? and get some of the good prize money on offer there with a Satellite Stable. He could enjoy the Better weather too 😂 than the freezing old South, and take it up to Te Akau on their 'Own Turf' . even go right handed on occasion 😅   

[Newmarket]

17 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Seems to me it's Pitman stable who are missing out if they are a NZ leading stable.

In the trotting circles of light the 2 leading NZ barns of Dunns and Telfers compete very strongly out of Satellite Stables in the North Island for many wins , as well as maintaining their Strong South Island Base.

Te Akau seem to perform well in the South with a it's wins from the Satellite stable there. so good on em'.

Maybe the Young Pitman should set up in the North Island a team ? and leave dad to manage the South team? and get some of the good prize money on offer there with a Satellite Stable. He could enjoy the Better weather too 😂 than the freezing old South, and take it up to Te Akau on their 'Own Turf' . even go right handed on occasion 😅   

Come on, be realistic. The pitman stable is mostly filled with ex northeners or cheap purchases, which they do well with. 
 

Te Akau have big syndicates and owners happy to throw big bucks to the stable, pitty hardly going to compete with big Nth Island stables on a regular basis….

I think satellite stables should not be part of trainers awards, only main operating stable. Its unfair, although Chief loves the stable so im gonna cop a bit 🫣

[Chief Stipe]

10 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Come on, be realistic. The pitman stable is mostly filled with ex northeners or cheap purchases, which they do well with. 

Yes that appears to be @Pitman 's business model and the strike rate of 10.7 reflects that.

10 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Te Akau have big syndicates and owners happy to throw big bucks to the stable, pitty hardly going to compete with big Nth Island stables on a regular basis….

@Pitman has the same opportunities to adapt the same model as Te Akau to the South Island conditions.  Don't forget he has won two National Premierships from his South island base.  So not impossible.

12 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

I think satellite stables should not be part of trainers awards, only main operating stable. Its unfair, although Chief loves the stable so im gonna cop a bit 🫣

How is it "unfair"?  I've yet to see anyone post anything anywhere online that convinces me that it is unfair.  Riccarton and South Island racing in general would be all the poorer without Te Akau's significant investment in their Riccarton stables and other support services.

I don't understand why everyone is so quick to knock Te Akau for any reason they can find.  Riccarton isn't a "satellite stable" whatever that really means.  It is a full time operation from which horses raced 305 times last season representing 37% of Te Akau's starts nationwide.

Only Pitman and Carston had more.

@Newmarket are you becoming NZ Racing's Prince of Darkness?

 

[Gammalite]

16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Riccarton isn't a "satellite stable" whatever that really means.  It is a full time operation from which horses raced 305 times

you know what a Satellite stable is Chief. 😎

It's where horses are based on behalf of a Non-Attending NAMED Horse trainer for those horses.

For example s : Young Jacob Dunn does all the work with a few horses in the North Island for the named Dunn stable Title of 'Robert and Jenna Dunn'. therefore he (Jacob) operates a Satellite stable for that operation. 

Chris Waller has a Permanant thoroughbred base in Queensland. He trains it/them by computer . who knows who does the REAL hands on work, but it's a 'Satellite Stable' for Waller. he's not in physical attendance (much at all) being based in Sydney of course. 

If the Named Te Akau trainers are Not In Attendance with any frequency,  at the South Island unit, that makes it a satellite stable. simple. 

[Chief Stipe]

3 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Chris Waller has a Permanant thoroughbred base in Queensland. He trains it/them by computer . who knows who does the REAL hands on work, but it's a 'Satellite Stable' for Waller. he's not in physical attendance (much at all) being based in Sydney of course.

Waller has two stables in Sydney, one on the Gold Coast and one in Victoria.  His wins in each location count for each States Premiership.

He has one assistant Trainer and several foreman.

Te Akau have two trainers (Mark Walker and Sam Bergerson) and 3 Assistant Trainers.  Reese Trumper (Matamata), Ben Gleason (Cranbourne) and Hunter Durant (Riccarton).

What's wrong with that?  

10 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

If the Named Te Akau trainers are Not In Attendance with any frequency,  at the South Island unit, that makes it a satellite stable. simple. 

But they do attend.  Really @Gammalite you really need to catch up with the programme.  Modern technology and systems allows a Trainer to manage effectively from a remote location.  However you still need skilled and licensed individuals on the ground.  Be it Assitant Trainers or Foreman.  Te Akau has invested heavily in acquiring young talented staff.  Why should they be slayed for it?

Surely you are not suggesting that Chris Wallers winners in Queensland and Victoria shouldn't count because he lives in NSW?