race 1 invercargill start

[the galah]

anyone watching that must have thought it was a shocker.

 jay bee hill charging the tapes and starting about 10m in front of the others off the front line. So with the advantage of 10m and a fast moving start it ended about 25m in front after 50m.

If your having a bet,watching another horse get such an unfair advantage seems quite unfair and silly.

and they want people to bet on those races

how the starter didn't see what happened or did see it and allowed it was rather ridiculous.

Edited yesterday at 12:06 AM by the galah

[WOLF]

Agree with above.      “They want people to bet on these races” but they are not , if they go by the tote figures.Abysmal.   Treble on race 1 got to 5k + but that is another story for another day??

[mikeynz]

I will say for what's it's worth, some of those maiden trots do struggle tote pool wise, would doubt too many big bets on fixed odds either, just a lottery.

[mikeynz]

Probably find too that the afternoon turnovers will pick up once all the churchgoers have finished their Sunday lunches lol.

[Brodie]

Tote pools are just not worth the effort for any serious punter that wants to win!

Industry is in serious trouble with the risk averse policy that the TAB Bookies have adopted.

Just not going to work but then again it is all about toiled to them rather than turnover and profit.

Unfortunately their policy has a bigger negative flow on for attracting any new owners and punters to harness racing.

Gammalite keeps saying that it is wealthy men subsidising harness racing in several states in Oz.

There is no one in NZ that is stupid enough to fund TAB shortfall so if they don’t change their policy then things will be dire.

[mikeynz]

Not everyone is a serious punter, Trifectas, First 4s, Quaddies Doubles are all tote, naturally for win and place, top3, 4 you would want fixed but when there is plenty of depth in field totes still well supported, always will be, many don't worry.

Harness will get better turnovers when they get better fields, will that ever happen, that's the big question.

[Nowornever]

15 hours ago, mikeynz said:

Harness will get better turnovers when they get better fields

Grass tracks starting in a month. I am getting excited 😁

[Chief Stipe]

19 hours ago, Brodie said:

Unfortunately their policy has a bigger negative flow on for attracting any new owners and punters to harness racing.

Why?  Stakes are better than ever.  Owners don't need to worry as much about winning on the punt.

[Brodie]

34 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Why?  Stakes are better than ever.  Owners don't need to worry as much about winning on the punt.

 They lose the promotion of racing by losing those that are the bigger punters.

No one races a horse for the stake money as an investment.

The returns are just not there nowadays that is why syndicates are increasing in numbers.

Turnover increase and profit would be greater if they actually like Bookies should.

Put up the odds. Take the wager and make the profit from the increased turnover.

When they take a wager and slash the fixed odds all they are doing is restricting turnover greatly as they don’t get anyone wagering on that horse again in sufficient amounts.

Hugely detrimental to the industry as serious punters are lost from punting and racing horses.

[Chief Stipe]

16 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Turnover increase and profit would be greater if they actually like Bookies should.

Put up the odds. Take the wager and make the profit from the increased turnover.

Right so you'd be happy to lose a million a year as long as you could have big bets?  

[Brodie]

8 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Right so you'd be happy to lose a million a year as long as you could have big bets?  

Chief, they are blowing money left right and centre from stakes, bonuses, and other poorly thought out implementations!

They are losing any opportunity to increase turnover and get new participants into harness racing.

They restrict punters that win and lose by adopting amounts that are pathetically low.

They put up odds as they think they should be at and then decide that no we don’t want punters wagering on them!

It is biting them in the proverbial!

[Chief Stipe]

6 hours ago, Brodie said:

Chief, they are blowing money left right and centre from stakes, bonuses, and other poorly thought out implementations!

So they are giving the money to Owners, Trainers and Drivers.  Hardly blowing it.

The only connection between the  Stakes for a race and the level of punting is that the latter part or in full pays for the former.

If Stakes were a dollar it wouldn't change the amount bet BUT very quickly there wouldn't be anyone providing any product to bet on. 

So the issue is providing a balance.  If the windfall profits are going into OTD pockets them just maybe they'll hang in there a bit longer.

You also assume that Owners and Trainers haven't had input into the racing programmes.  

[Brodie]

20 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

So they are giving the money to Owners, Trainers and Drivers.  Hardly blowing it.

The only connection between the  Stakes for a race and the level of punting is that the latter part or in full pays for the former.

If Stakes were a dollar it wouldn't change the amount bet BUT very quickly there wouldn't be anyone providing any product to bet on. 

So the issue is providing a balance.  If the windfall profits are going into OTD pockets them just maybe they'll hang in there a bit longer.

You also assume that Owners and Trainers haven't had input into the racing programmes.  

Chief, you know as well as I do that harness racing is not paying its way!

All the Entain money is  doing is giving a very false impression of the true state of play!

Frankly it is a poor indictment on the once great industry and to be having the financial lifeline that was the Entain  money,  used  the way it is just shows why the harness industry got it self in decline!

Anyway We cant worry about the inevitable and just have to wait and see how long it can continue once the money has run out!

[Chief Stipe]

39 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Chief, you know as well as I do that harness racing is not paying its way!

All the Entain money is  doing is giving a very false impression of the true state of play!

Frankly it is a poor indictment on the once great industry and to be having the financial lifeline that was the Entain  money,  used  the way it is just shows why the harness industry got it self in decline!

Anyway We cant worry about the inevitable and just have to wait and see how long it can continue once the money has run out!

@Brodie when did HRNZ ever pay its way?  Remember we went through the era of Pokie rort payments.  Then clipping the Sports income ticket.  The industry still relies on imported racing to keep funding.

The irony is for the moment it is paying its way because ENTAIN are willing to cover those previous subsidies and more.

You benefited more than most from the previous decades of largesse.

[the galah]

are you saying hrnz is doing a good job chief?

what about the field size for 2 year olds racing despite them pumping all that money into bonuses,the declining breeding numbers,the declining licence holder numbers,them declining average field size,the increased number of hot favorites you get in harness racing,the declining tote pools that result in discouraging punter participation,etc,etc. I 

all of the above ,hrnz said they were going to fix ,yet they get an f for fail on them all.

then throw in the blatantly obvious efforts involving throwing money attrying to revitalise auckland strategy, based on the flawed mistaken narrative that auckland has a large popualtion and economy.

and you seem to have come up with the reasoning that because hrnz spent more than they earned in the past,that its now ok for hrnz to do so.

you know some of us find that a rather unrealistic approach to the industries sustainablity.