Here come the Nutters! Becks Nairn. Thanks Winnie.

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There you are @curious and @Thomass you have a haveer girl for your crusade.

[curious]

15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

There you are @curious and @Thomass you have a haveer girl for your crusade.

She does raise a few pertinent points in there though. E.g., the attempted muzzling of licence holders, which we've seen recent evidence of, and the simplicity of some welfare monitoring which would potentially allay (or otherwise) negative public perceptions.

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[TAB For Ever]

I wondered where Duncan Garner had gone .

But I wasted 20 mins of my day listening to this attention seeking loser of a young woman who has decided to turn on the Horse Industry [ especially Harness] cos she obviously unable to take up and earn a living from her passion she developed as a kid !

Obviously she adored horses and developed an interest in re-homing horses. The idea of a charitable trust to fund her interest/passion had appeal ....but she obviously not a team player ,obviously ,cos others never really knew what they were doing ....cos she has been dedicated ,educated , invested in and worked with world class people ....certainly over-intoxicated in her own exuberance but had her nose put out of place when she couldnt get her own way and turned on HRNZ when they chose the HERO program as their official rehomer. This has festered away !

Most of her horrific dramatic story is nearly 3 yrs old...the terrible Donegal case in Kaikoura ,from which she seems to be seething from being pushed aside by the Police,Vets and Govt agencies .

She admits to getting a lot of help ,a lot of funding[expected more] etc etc but now seeking revenge since her 3 page Document and informal chat with a vet friend was ignored 3 years ago....obviously she hasnt reconciled and got back on the horse !

Duncan let her talk...then said.....[sounds like widespread corruption ]....put the words into her mouth. Click bait !

What she talking about are isolated , exceptions ,and policies and conventional wisdom that has been developed over the years.More and more checks and balances have been introduced into the Industry over the year , but license holders etc need to play their role and  play by the rules and look after the animals .She said the Kaikoura breeder was a troubled person ,ditto her earlier example when a family hit by tragedy ! Exceptions !

Most  horses ,in my experience are treated extremely well  definitely when racing, usually get happily rehomed when retired ,sadly some go to the dogs !

 

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[Special Agent]

Yes, she definitely likes to be the centre of attention, and not cast aside for better options.  More than a few comments don't add up.  What was wrong with the best three from Kaikoura ending up in training?  If she selected the most appropriate rehomers at the trainers properties how good is she at her job to still have to put down 30% of those horses as finally deemed unsuitable?

As she went on it was clear she'd forgotten her earlier comments with contradictions filtering in.  I'm guessing most viewers would have switched off part way through.  She was well off the mark with numbers she was quoting and authority practices re traceability etc.

I hope she isn't related to the harness trainer of the same name.

I think she may have saturated her brain with a bit much Silent Witness in her formative years as she'd have to be the only Horse Post Mortem Technician on the latest Census.  Any sanity questions for me were answered quite early in the interview when she explained how one of her horse related injuries was a blow to the head.

 

[Special Agent]

Did anyone else read the article which I don't think was from the UK, rather Scandanavia or Europe, about the mother who donated her daughter's pony to the zoo to feed the lions?  That particular animal park sourced various horse meat for the big cats via donations through public means.

I think slow ones in Singapore used to feed the lions and tigers in their zoo.

When you think about it, Orana Park could be a good avenue for unwanted, old or injured South Island horses, and Wellington and Auckland zoos have a whole North Island to supply food for a lot of hungry mouths.

[hesi]

7 hours ago, TAB For Ever said:

I wondered where Duncan Garner had gone .

But I wasted 20 mins of my day listening to this attention seeking loser of a young woman who has decided to turn on the Horse Industry [ especially Harness] cos she obviously unable to take up and earn a living from her passion she developed as a kid !

Obviously she adored horses and developed an interest in re-homing horses. The idea of a charitable trust to fund her interest/passion had appeal ....but she obviously not a team player ,obviously ,cos others never really knew what they were doing ....cos she has been dedicated ,educated , invested in and worked with world class people ....certainly over-intoxicated in her own exuberance but had her nose put out of place when she couldnt get her own way and turned on HRNZ when they chose the HERO program as their official rehomer. This has festered away !

Most of her horrific dramatic story is nearly 3 yrs old...the terrible Donegal case in Kaikoura ,from which she seems to be seething from being pushed aside by the Police,Vets and Govt agencies .

She admits to getting a lot of help ,a lot of funding[expected more] etc etc but now seeking revenge since her 3 page Document and informal chat with a vet friend was ignored 3 years ago....obviously she hasnt reconciled and got back on the horse !

Duncan let her talk...then said.....[sounds like widespread corruption ]....put the words into her mouth. Click bait !

What she talking about are isolated , exceptions ,and policies and conventional wisdom that has been developed over the years.More and more checks and balances have been introduced into the Industry over the year , but license holders etc need to play their role and  play by the rules and look after the animals .She said the Kaikoura breeder was a troubled person ,ditto her earlier example when a family hit by tragedy ! Exceptions !

Most  horses ,in my experience are treated extremely well  definitely when racing, usually get happily rehomed when retired ,sadly some go to the dogs !

 

Duncan Garner has been doing this podcast for just over 2 years now.  Very opinionated and you will note in the interview, when he could get a word in lol, all he really wanted an answer on, was how many horses were going to petfood each year.

Irresponsible journalism to increase his numbers

[hesi]

7 hours ago, Special Agent said:

Yes, she definitely likes to be the centre of attention, and not cast aside for better options.  More than a few comments don't add up.  What was wrong with the best three from Kaikoura ending up in training?  If she selected the most appropriate rehomers at the trainers properties how good is she at her job to still have to put down 30% of those horses as finally deemed unsuitable?

As she went on it was clear she'd forgotten her earlier comments with contradictions filtering in.  I'm guessing most viewers would have switched off part way through.  She was well off the mark with numbers she was quoting and authority practices re traceability etc.

I hope she isn't related to the harness trainer of the same name.

I think she may have saturated her brain with a bit much Silent Witness in her formative years as she'd have to be the only Horse Post Mortem Technician on the latest Census.  Any sanity questions for me were answered quite early in the interview when she explained how one of her horse related injuries was a blow to the head.

 

Colourful woman if you check her background.  Taxidermist for 18 years, does horse dissection, but no formal veterinary or pathology qualifications, which has been raised as a concern in the past

[Huey]

Bury your heads all you like the industry is in a fight for its future!

Many will get exactly what they deserve!

[Nowornever]

She will try to stop people owning cats and dogs next because she heard one person out 5 million abused their pet. 

The real cruelty is her weaponizing a couple of sad cases into a crusade against an entire industry.

 

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38 minutes ago, Nowornever said:

She will try to stop people owning cats and dogs next because she heard one person out 5 million abused their pet. 

Most pet dog owners do i.e. more than one in 5 million.

38 minutes ago, Nowornever said:

The real cruelty is her weaponizing a couple of sad cases into a crusade against an entire industry.

Unfortunately some of the Industry's own supposed supporters are doing it too.  For what purpose I cannot fathom other than they like digging pellets out of their feet.

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2 hours ago, Huey said:

Bury your heads all you like the industry is in a fight for its future!

Some of us wish you would bury your head.  Your cynicism and negativity aren't doing much to change things!

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Why did dog racing go before horses?

Firstly I’d like to say, I’m not pro or against anything. I think horse racing can be ethical if they would listen to changes. What I would like to talk about today is my experience with having owned an ex race dog and ex race horses.

Dyna varsity was a pretty good dog, he won around 40k on the race track. At the time my daughter tayla was training greyhounds and I am a curious sort so I visited the kennels. I was really impressed at how friendly all the dogs were and excited to see me. I saw puppy’s and young dogs in large paddocks playing with their pack. Throughout taylas career I visited the kennels many times and witnessed happy animals regularly being treated with PEMF blankets and therapeutic devices and all the basic needs. Anyway Vance and I locked eyes, I said to tayla who is that handsome boy!? She said he was likely to retire soon and I didn’t miss a beat, I said I’d love to have him….a few months later I was bringing him home. Did he piss in my house a few times….yes he did. Retraining them to pet life does requires patience but he was worth it.

Kiwikiwi hounds organised a fun day for the dogs to all get together at the race track and I was instantly intrigued…..how would Vance react to going back to the racetrack with a bunch of other dogs?

He had a blast! I witnessed a bunch of dogs all having a brilliant time, no one that I saw looked to be terrified to be there.

Vance’s biggest downfall and what caused his ultimate death was his love of racing things, particularly cars. I’m not going to sugar coat things, dogs naturally chase things, I have a whippet now and she does the same without being trained to do so.

Vance was the best dog for our family and we were all devistated after 3 wonderful years with him. He went out doing what he loved, it was instant and for that I am thankful. Dogs are predatory in nature and they hunt for their food so the experience of the race track for them is based more on a more positive basic instinct.

Horses on the other hand are prey animals and so aside from playing the only time they would be running as a herd is away from danger or a predator. Anyone who’s involved in racing can argue this but the behaviour they display pre racing is anxious. You only have to look at the incidents of lung bleeds and ulcers to see the results of stress on the horses. Are there good trainers who prepare their horses well and are calm ofcourse! There are also bad eggs in dog racing. But I have taken ex race horses back to the race track and their anxiety is palpable, they physically shake. Obviously some of the older very successful exrace horses are paraded around on race days and they cope fine….they are the exception. I have been to competitions as a sport horse beside race tracks and allot of the ex race horses are losing it. Comparing prey and predators experiences will be called apples and oranges but I’m giving my experiences anyway.

Dog racing was low hanging fruit, the public loves dogs….it was easy to gain public support to shut it down. The greyhound industry actually has the highest success rates of rehoming, tracebility and accountability in racing, period! They have been transparent and have done everything the government asked of them. More dogs die annually in pounds than in dog racing. In horse racing they are forced to have zero accountability, no numbers on horse put down post racing are required. Even in rehoming, the rehomers are stifled by NZTR to put down unsuitable horses. They have zero pathways for the rehomers to take unsuitable horses out of circulation. In HRNZ they are spouting 90 percent success rates in rehoming and the other 10 percent retained hy industry, I have evidence this is a blatant lie and they are willfully covering the truth.

Horses need to be put down post racing, it’s the ugly truth….there aren’t enough homes. Be transparent with the public and if society decides that’s not an acceptable collateral damage then so be it. It doesnt effect me if all racing goes but its a slippery slope to all animals from there….. think about the biggger picture.

The government calls the race industry a sunset industry behind closed doors, they just won’t give it to you straight because that’s what politicians do.

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Elen Nicholas

Becks Nairn I wish you spoke in your interview about positive ideas and outcomes for the issues you spoke about in the industry instead of just saying “racing should be banned”.

You made it sound like you’re bitter after having an unfortunate accident being kicked in the head and you failed to help re-home those 14 Standardbreds that were unfortunately pts, would this not have been a perfect opportunity to use your voice to gain more government support to fund a more positive outcome for any neglect cases in the future?

I have the absolute privilege of riding these wonderful horses, and I can tell you that riding down onto the track (that is harrowed and rolled to perfection every day so that they have a nice surface to work on) the horses half the time literally squeal with excitement as they step onto the track - they have their ears pricked up, they work around in company and they’re always marching out to work and happy to go back to their stables / paddocks to have their breakfast after they work.. - these aren’t animals beaten and trembling in fear as you’re describing. They are fit, professional athletes that love their jobs. I can tell you I meet more people with ‘anxiety’ than horses.

I would applaud you if you tried to help weed out the ‘bad eggs’ of a racing industry where horses were being mistreated but I think when you tar the whole industry with the same brush you loose credibility and also - what’s next? Horse riding is cruel?

Because let’s be honest, riding your dressage horse or your happy hacker is unnatural. Humans, with our eyes on the front of our skull- like a predator - getting up onto the back of a prey animal is not natural.

So where do you draw the line???

 

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Elen Nicholas tell me you didn’t watch the interview with out telling me….

 

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Becks Nairn listened to the whole thing  you spoke about your experiences of working within the industry. Mainly it was about harness racing in the South Island. You spoke about horses being injected with vodka, ping pong balls in Australia.

I see issues with the facilitators of the actions rather than the industry as a whole.

 

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Becks Nairn I have also followed your Facebook page for years due to interest in your work dissecting horse carcasses, I originally thought you were a vet. But the hypocrisy caused me to clock out about 6months ago.

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Thanks @hesi for posting that.  I do like Elen Nicholas as a Jockey.  Time we all pushed back against some of the crap.  Point the shotgun level instead of at our feet.  BTW that's a bastardised metaphor.

[hesi]

Yes, not just very well written, but also articulated by Elen Nicholas.  She certainly showed up Becks Nairn's muddled narrative.

Agree that it is time to take the gloves off and front foot some of these issues

 

[curious]

2 hours ago, hesi said:

Elen Nicholas

Becks Nairn I wish you spoke in your interview about positive ideas and outcomes for the issues you spoke about in the industry instead of just saying “racing should be banned”.

I may have watched a different interview but I'm pretty sure when asked the question that Becks said no, it shouldn't be banned. Can't be bothered watching it again, but I think that's flat wrong.

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