South Island vs North Island Premiership.

[Chief Stipe]

[Chief Stipe]

Really @Comic Dog are you that desperate for clicks?  I'm not!!

Just more crap from New Zealand's Anti-racing Forum.

[hesi]

Just remember Chief, form is temporary class and I would add intellect is permanent.  If you don't have class and intellect, you can never acquire it as much as you may think you can

 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, hesi said:

Just remember Chief, form is temporary class and I would add intellect is permanent.  If you don't have class and intellect, you can never acquire it as much as you may think you can

 

Yeah but the dumb arse forgets that @Pitman has won a National Premiership based in the South Island.  

Maybe his desperate sycophants could quietly point that out.

[Freda]

7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Yeah but the dumb arse forgets that @Pitman has won a National Premiership based in the South Island.  

Maybe his desperate sycophants could quietly point that out.

Yes, Pitty certainly did...but that was in the days before a dedicated Sth island base for TA.  For a good number of years,  the Guineas hopefuls and a few others were based at Rangiora early in the season but not in any great numbers.

As far as all this goes, there is no 'award' given for leading sth island stable, someone will correct me if that isn't the case, so any distinction is purely academic. 

[Chief Stipe]

Yeah well I understand @Pitman is stirring this up with personal messages behind the scenes.  I have no idea why it matters so much to him.

I wouldn't be surprised if Pitty is actually writing the posts for the @Comic Dog .  It's been done before and is obvious when s post is longer than the average single sentence.

Pittys Puppet.

[Chief Stipe]

As for the myth that Te Akau only send their crap horses down to the South Island i would have thought @nomates would have more brains than that or at least done his homework.

The Te Akau strike rate in the South Island is slightly better than the North Island.  Why wouldn't you try and maximise the return to owners?   Another advantage is you aren't competing against your own stable as much and as far as I know the stakes are much the same.

Next they'll be moaning about North Island owners robbing South Island owners of their stakes!  Which is another nonsense as many many South Islanders have shares in horses trained primarily in the North Island.

There is absolutely nothing to stop a South Island stable setting up a North Island based one.

The other contradiction from the moaners is that Te Akau having a permanent stable in the South Island has created more competition supposedly with dud horses.  Go figure!!

At the end of the day Racing is a Sport and is about winning.  The South Island could gain from the likes of Marsh and O'Sullivan setting up down there.  It would lift the quality of the racing.

[hesi]

In terms of the geographical thing, while the 3 Hawkes Bay days being in the north this year, has so far led to some very good fields, there are only 4 CD acceptors on Sat at Ellerslie.

While this is understandable due to transport costs, it does show the need to get Hawkes Bay and Awapuni back up and running, despite what the conspiracy mob say about centralisation of racing in Auck/Waikato, so racing can grow in those regions.

[curious]

2 hours ago, Freda said:

As far as all this goes, there is no 'award' given for leading sth island stable, someone will correct me if that isn't the case, so any distinction is purely academic. 

Yes there is. Pitty won it for 25 years until Carson did.

https://nztr.co.nz/news/christchurch-casino-south-island-racing-awards-winners-announced

[curious]

18 minutes ago, curious said:

Yes there is. Pitty won it for 25 years until Carson did.

https://nztr.co.nz/news/christchurch-casino-south-island-racing-awards-winners-announced

And as I recall Carson won it when he took over much of Lisa Latta's stable?

[Freda]

1 hour ago, curious said:

Yes there is. Pitty won it for 25 years until Carson did.

https://nztr.co.nz/news/christchurch-casino-south-island-racing-awards-winners-announced

Sorry, I should have been more specific. I dont think it figures in the National awards.

And, in the interests of accuracy,  Pitty has won the National Premiership three times.

[curious]

15 minutes ago, Freda said:

And, in the interests of accuracy,  Pitty has won the National Premiership three times.

Other than FY08, when were they?

[Chief Stipe]

25 minutes ago, curious said:

Other than FY08, when were they?

Wasn't one 2011? Or thereabouts.

[curious]

I didn't think so, but may be wrong.

Edited 11 hours ago by curious

[Chief Stipe]

7 minutes ago, curious said:

I didn't think so, but may be wrong.

I think it was 2008, 2011 and 2013.

[Chief Stipe]

86 wins in 2008

105 win in 2011

86 wins in 2013 pipped Lisa Latta by 2.

[Freda]

51 minutes ago, curious said:

Other than FY08, when were they?

No idea.  He told me this morning.

[Chief Stipe]

3 minutes ago, Freda said:

No idea.  He told me this morning.

LOL you should have asked for the detail!

86 wins in 2008

105 win in 2011

86 wins in 2013 pipped Lisa Latta by 2.

[Chief Stipe]

Looking at the current Premiership - geez does Stephen Gray's dirt track experience show how it should be done on the Awapuni Synthetic.  A strike rate of 2.5!!

[curious]

19 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

LOL you should have asked for the detail!

86 wins in 2008

105 win in 2011

86 wins in 2013 pipped Lisa Latta by 2.

Correct. From the annual report.

2011

Congratulations to Canterbury trainer Michael Pitman on a dominating win in the New Zealand trainers’
premiership, holding off Matamata trainer John Sargent and Awapuni trainer Lisa Latta.

2013 according to NZTR.

Dunstan Trainer of the Year

Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman

 

[Huey]

8 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

 

The other contradiction from the moaners is that Te Akau having a permanent stable in the South Island has created more competition supposedly with dud horses.  Go figure!!

At the end of the day Racing is a Sport and is about winning.  The South Island could gain from the likes of Marsh and O'Sullivan setting up down there.  It would lift the quality of the racing.

So now TA are spending huge sums on duds?

TA have a $440k $A Snitzel filly lining up in  a 18.5k mdn at Phar Lap Raceway on Sunday, only someone as Tangerine delusional as you @Chief Stipe would call it a level playing field. Does the filly need to prove herself in the SI before she can go to Aus? 

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, Huey said:

So now TA are spending huge sums on duds?

No I was quoting what other negative types have said.  They call them duds but they're good enough to win a third of Te Akau's stakes against the best the South Island has to offer.

[Chief Stipe]

7 hours ago, curious said:

2013 according to NZTR.

Dunstan Trainer of the Year

Murray Baker & Andrew Forsman

That can't be based on wins.  Probably due to Dundeel.  He had a big year that year.  

[hesi]

Who is this Nomates character, always seems very negative about racing in NZ, yet always seems to have an answer for everything.  Sounds like you must have upset him about something lol

[Chief Stipe]

9 minutes ago, hesi said:

Who is this Nomates character, always seems very negative about racing in NZ, yet always seems to have an answer for everything.  Sounds like you must have upset him about something lol

He prefers to talk to people (posts?) that don't answer back.

Bob Scott is his name.  One of those fair weather types of trainer friends.  Wallows in the glory when winning but most of the time is negative about everything.