Missing…. TAB For Ever?

[Newmarket]

Where has he gone, seems he has disappeared since he stated he worked for the TAB? 
 

Come back bro, lots of questions for you to answer….

[Brodie]

We need a representative from the TAB and HRNZ to provide info and support for their employer as to what they are doing and why!

personally believe that we get very little out of either organisation!

 

[Brodie]

1 minute ago, Brodie said:

We need a representative from the TAB and HRNZ to provide info and support for their employer as to what they are doing and why!

personally believe that we get very little out of either organisation!

 

We hear from trainers saying that they are looking forward to this day from HRNZ that has the $60k finals for  horses bred by stallions under $5k!

Of course if you win this then it is good for the owner and trainer obviously!

This is only able being run due to the cash being injected by Entain otherwise it wouldn't be run and it seems that HRNZ dont understand this somehow?

Anyway if they think they are going well then they are the ones in power  but Who would be wanting them to run their business if they were wanting to stay afloat!

[Nowornever]

How about those fields for Sunday at Motukarara.

Dive in Brodie there will be value everywhere. Can not see them pricing those fields accurately at all.

[Brodie]

2 hours ago, Nowornever said:

How about those fields for Sunday at Motukarara.

Dive in Brodie there will be value everywhere. Can not see them pricing those fields accurately at all.

Na I can’t get on!

Still overseas, raring to go when I am back!

[Gammalite]

13 hours ago, Nowornever said:

How about those fields for Sunday at Motukarara.

Dive in Brodie there will be value everywhere. Can not see them pricing those fields accurately at all.

Well when you have a Slug-fest like that, No one on  the planet could set a market for slow horses like these? with No barrier advantage , and in Overly inflated size fields that give most runners NO CHANCE at all. would be like putting a market on the NZ sheep heading in to the shearing shed 😉. impossible.  

Just a disgrace for harness racing that 56 horses have to go home with a ZERO next to their name, at the end of the days racing.  that's like a whole meeting of horses ? FIFTY SIX with ZEROES,  and with another 60 horses finishing between 5th and 9th as well , that's near 120 horses getting NOTHING.  NOTHing at all . 

over 120 horses with Punters dollars on with ZERO return. 120+  horses in one meeting ZERO for owners. after paying the larger training FEES they have to these days.  That's Far Far to many losers on one day to sustain the industry.  

Better to have 2 days of 8 horse fields where EVERYONE gets a chance to get something. and NO One at all gets a Zero next to their name. And gets a race start in the first place .  like Sensibly,  they do in Aus each week in every state that caters for their slow class horses so much better than this huge field crap from a by-gone era . 

No wonder people are giving up in NZ racing horses. you  worried they can't set a market ?? hahahaha🤣

These stupid meetings ( that  are so bad you can't price them as you say) just Stack up the Losers. 

p.s.  Only one good horse is in on the day (group 1 winner Oscar B 🏆 ) and there's 2 Junior driver races. Carter is excellent driver so should win both of those no matter what he's on lol 👍💰  so there's 3 wins for ya  🤣😂

what's the Value runners then  ?  or are you too scared  to name any ?  Brodster won't be diving in mate. He says he's a winner , so wouldn't be if betting on that racecard. Fools and their money . 

[Gammalite]

Here'sthe fast Menangle on the grass from a while back.

A NZ bred of course , by Garrison Hanover, and even though he carrying the number ONE Saddlecloth, Ian Henry had started off 20m after winning twice in the 4 days prior. and being re-handicapped accordingly.

So Ian Henry makes it 3 wins in five days as he powers to victory. 

Very little grass on Aus tracks as the summers long and hot in NSW/QLD

[Nowornever]

11 hours ago, Gammalite said:

what's the Value runners then  ?  or are you too scared  to name any ?

The main two at value I had a nibble on were Amendment at 10s and the horse Blair Orange is driving in the first. I see that starting shorter on the day the way it ran home last start.

Heavens Mark I think will start shorter than 8.50. Plenty of overs on horses paying 20+ too many to name. 

[Nowornever]

11 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Well when you have a Slug-fest like that, No one on  the planet could set a market for slow horses like these? with No barrier advantage , and in Overly inflated size fields that give most runners NO CHANCE at all. would be like putting a market on the NZ sheep heading in to the shearing shed 😉. impossible.  

Just a disgrace for harness racing that 56 horses have to go home with a ZERO next to their name, at the end of the days racing.  that's like a whole meeting of horses ? FIFTY SIX with ZEROES,  and with another 60 horses finishing between 5th and 9th as well , that's near 120 horses getting NOTHING.  NOTHing at all . 

over 120 horses with Punters dollars on with ZERO return. 120+  horses in one meeting ZERO for owners. after paying the larger training FEES they have to these days.  That's Far Far to many losers on one day to sustain the industry.  

Better to have 2 days of 8 horse fields where EVERYONE gets a chance to get something. and NO One at all gets a Zero next to their name. And gets a race start in the first place .  like Sensibly,  they do in Aus each week in every state that caters for their slow class horses so much better than this huge field crap from a by-gone era . 

No wonder people are giving up in NZ racing horses. you  worried they can't set a market ?? hahahaha🤣

These stupid meetings ( that  are so bad you can't price them as you say) just Stack up the Losers. 

Oh absolutely let’s scrap those awful big fields and go all-in on 8-horse processions where everyone gets a pat on the back and a ribbon for participation. Because clearly, what punters really crave is less value, fewer betting options, and $1.30 favourites jogging home in single-file.

Forget turnover, forget trifectas that actually pay more than a loaf of bread, and forget any kind of liquidity in the pools. Who needs proper markets or real competition when we can stage glorified trials with field sizes so small you need binoculars just to spot a quinella?

And yes — we should absolutely ensure no horse finishes with a "0" next to its name. Maybe we can throw in appearance money, a warm cocoa, and a voucher for emotional support. Because clearly the goal here isn’t competitive sport or sustainable wagering — it’s morale preservation for slow horses.

Let’s also ignore the well-established fact that larger fields = more turnover = more stake money = more sustainability.

Truth is the betting public doesn’t tune in for soft draws and walkovers. They want depth and a chance to find value all of which come from, you guessed it, bigger fields.

So sure, we could run two days of cuddly 8-horse fields where everyone finishes 4th or better… or we could accept that racing is a competitive sport, not a community raffle. Some horses will finish last. That’s the game. But punters will still bet — and when they do, the industry survives.

If what you say is the best option for harness racing, why is it that all the owners trainers absolutely flock to meetings like these and punters open their wallets to create the bigger pools. 

11 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Brodster won't be diving in mate. He says he's a winner , so wouldn't be if betting on that racecard

Actually the complete opposite! Give him a BK Dawn at $5.00 a place at Mot and Brodie would have been straight in to take the bookies to the cleaners back in the days when he could get on.

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, Nowornever said:

Oh absolutely let’s scrap those awful big fields and go all-in on 8-horse processions where everyone gets a pat on the back and a ribbon for participation. Because clearly, what punters really crave is less value, fewer betting options, and $1.30 favourites jogging home in single-file.

Forget turnover, forget trifectas that actually pay more than a loaf of bread, and forget any kind of liquidity in the pools. Who needs proper markets or real competition when we can stage glorified trials with field sizes so small you need binoculars just to spot a quinella?

And yes — we should absolutely ensure no horse finishes with a "0" next to its name. Maybe we can throw in appearance money, a warm cocoa, and a voucher for emotional support. Because clearly the goal here isn’t competitive sport or sustainable wagering — it’s morale preservation for slow horses.

Let’s also ignore the well-established fact that larger fields = more turnover = more stake money = more sustainability.

Truth is the betting public doesn’t tune in for soft draws and walkovers. They want depth and a chance to find value all of which come from, you guessed it, bigger fields.

So sure, we could run two days of cuddly 8-horse fields where everyone finishes 4th or better… or we could accept that racing is a competitive sport, not a community raffle. Some horses will finish last. That’s the game. But punters will still bet — and when they do, the industry survives.

If what you say is the best option for harness racing, why is it that all the owners trainers absolutely flock to meetings like these and punters open their wallets to create the bigger pools. 

Actually the complete opposite! Give him a BK Dawn at $5.00 a place at Mot and Brodie would have been straight in to take the bookies to the cleaners back in the days when he could get on.

Correct that I prefer to get value but You also have to do the homework as you well know!

still overseas but coming to an end, and csn trll you that looking forward to my decent bed rather than the hard slabs they give you in Europe and call beds!

Might be ok if you're 20 stone but not when you aren’t lol!

Just had a squizz of the fields at Mot for the first time and  geez they look very difficult and even.

Good luck to everyone that has a go on them on Sunday, you deserve big payouts lol.😂