nz cup futures market

[the galah]

can anyone tell me what the point is of the tab having a futures market on the nz cup.

And why do the harness media continually talk about the market ,then in the next breath state the obvious,that only an absolute moron would bet on the futures market anyway.

here we are about 3 weeeks out from the nz cup and the tab prices are  pathetically small for all the runners and now,given the latest news story on the hrnz website,it seems a horse who has never been ever considered a possible starter,(kingman) may well be allowed to throw in a late nomination and would most likely start favorite if he does.

i mean,its humourous in a way,but ridiculous to the extreme.

isn't it about time the tab stopped ripping off the dumb and the nz racing media stopped talking about odds that their audience know are just a load of rubbish.

Edited Monday at 01:54 AM by the galah

[Withadream2]

8 minutes ago, the galah said:

can anyone tell me what the point is of the tab having a futures market on the nz cup.

And why do the harness media continually talk about the market ,then in the next breath state the obvious,that only an absolute moron would bet on the futures market anyway.

here we are about 3 weeeks out from the nz cup and the tab prices are  pathetically small for all the runners and now,given the latest news story on the hrnz website,it seems a horse who has never been ever considered a possible starter,(kingman) may well be allowed to throw in a late nomination and would most likely start favorite if he does.

i mean,its humourous in a way,but ridiculous to the extreme.

isn't it about time the tab stopped ripping off the dumb and the nz racing media stopped talking about odds that their audience know are just a load of rubbish.

I wonder how much the late nomination is.  Hopefully it’s at least $50k

[mikeynz]

54 minutes ago, the galah said:

can anyone tell me what the point is of the tab having a futures market on the nz cup.

And why do the harness media continually talk about the market ,then in the next breath state the obvious,that only an absolute moron would bet on the futures market anyway.

here we are about 3 weeeks out from the nz cup and the tab prices are  pathetically small for all the runners and now,given the latest news story on the hrnz website,it seems a horse who has never been ever considered a possible starter,(kingman) may well be allowed to throw in a late nomination and would most likely start favorite if he does.

i mean,its humourous in a way,but ridiculous to the extreme.

isn't it about time the tab stopped ripping off the dumb and the nz racing media stopped talking about odds that their audience know are just a load of rubbish.

I think you've been reading my comments, I've questioned the point for some time, yet one old stick in the mud elsewhere told me I was a idiot for questioning it, it's simply a con, where people silly enough to gamble on if or not a horse even makes the final field throw their money away, if ya horse dont start you should get ya dosh back, Simply the only talk at present on the NZ Cup should be the horses, not the odds, probably 95% of bets probably in the last half hour so what is the hurry?

[Withadream2]

7 hours ago, the galah said:

seems a horse who has never been ever considered a possible starter,(kingman) may well be allowed to throw in a late nomination

$28,750 is the late nomination fee.  Personally I think it should be $50k to encourage trainers of top horses to nominate early.  It’s a million dollar race after all. 

[Shad]

Looked a the thoroughbred version, thought the odds were very poor, unless you were planning on taking those that won't even get a start, I'm sure the odds on the tote be better on the day, they'll have to be much more brave to temp me.

[Gammalite]

On 10/20/2025 at 11:53 AM, the galah said:

can anyone tell me what the point is of the tab having a futures market on the nz cup.

And why do the harness media continually talk about the market ,then in the next breath state the obvious,that only an absolute moron would bet on the futures market anyway.

as you know, i'm an absolute moron as often bet on the NZ Cup futures market , in my multi's. 

The TAB has to have a market for it because how could they possibly list the race with out putting odds there with it ? the TAB are all for Betting . that's what they do. If you just want a list of possible candidates then you could just go to the HRNZ website and find the field of nominations I spose. 

Betting is just a bit of fun . None of the blokes here (or that would BET into a future market ) need the money.

Brodie wants to put 1000 on some obscure horses in the bush , so why not have a heap of Punters investing on future markets for a bit of fun ( risking just a few dollars )??? 

I had AKUTA running for 9000 win 2 years ago, made up of $300 of multi's I had taken during the year with Imperatriz and assorted other fine horses. Swayzee blasted my tickets to confetti, but I didn't feel like an absolute moron.  lol. just one of those things. I lost about $30 worth of bets on Leap To Fame last year . Didn't turn up as got sick in the end. who cares. It's just a bit of interest in the race mateys .

I've taken a few in the DOMINION trot already . as Like some of the trotters. OscarB at 7's and that in some multi;'s, etc. If he doesn't win , at least he's sure to give me a run for my money.

The Brownlow Medal was announced in Australia recently for the AFL . I take a few players with a few bucks for FUN each year. Before and during the season in Future Markets. The winner Matt Rowell started $12 on the day but I had some tickets on him ( as is a great Gold Coast player) at the beginning of season (6 months from event) at 20-1 so collected a couple of hundred.

Future Markets are great for an Interest in the sport , and tracking your Bets progress. It's ALL FUN. 

sorry for me being an 'absolute moron' 😧🙄. probably wasn't trained well enough lol 😎 

[the galah]

6 hours ago, Gammalite said:

as you know, i'm an absolute moron as often bet on the NZ Cup futures market , in my multi's. 

The TAB has to have a market for it because how could they possibly list the race with out putting odds there with it ? the TAB are all for Betting . that's what they do. If you just want a list of possible candidates then you could just go to the HRNZ website and find the field of nominations I spose. 

Betting is just a bit of fun . None of the blokes here (or that would BET into a future market ) need the money.

Brodie wants to put 1000 on some obscure horses in the bush , so why not have a heap of Punters investing on future markets for a bit of fun ( risking just a few dollars )??? 

I had AKUTA running for 9000 win 2 years ago, made up of $300 of multi's I had taken during the year with Imperatriz and assorted other fine horses. Swayzee blasted my tickets to confetti, but I didn't feel like an absolute moron.  lol. just one of those things. I lost about $30 worth of bets on Leap To Fame last year . Didn't turn up as got sick in the end. who cares. It's just a bit of interest in the race mateys .

I've taken a few in the DOMINION trot already . as Like some of the trotters. OscarB at 7's and that in some multi;'s, etc. If he doesn't win , at least he's sure to give me a run for my money.

The Brownlow Medal was announced in Australia recently for the AFL . I take a few players with a few bucks for FUN each year. Before and during the season in Future Markets. The winner Matt Rowell started $12 on the day but I had some tickets on him ( as is a great Gold Coast player) at the beginning of season (6 months from event) at 20-1 so collected a couple of hundred.

Future Markets are great for an Interest in the sport , and tracking your Bets progress. It's ALL FUN. 

sorry for me being an 'absolute moron' 😧🙄. probably wasn't trained well enough lol 😎 

can't say i knew that you invest on the nz cup futures market.

I'm truly surprised anyone does given the odds of the horses are so significantly shorter than you would get for 100% of them on the day of the races.

And your  betting into that market  with no idea what your selection is drawn and in several instances little idea whether the horse will even start or what the opposition is..

then throw in you have been betting under the assumption a horse, who may well start favorite if it comes,(kingman),was not a possible starter and now knowing it had not even been  in the market until this week.

with so many factors working against anyone considering having a bet in the nz cup futures market,i assumed,obviously wrongly,that only a moron would have such a bet. Obviously your not a moron.

So i will reword my comment based on what you've said. I have to be honest ,so now say,smart people obviously do  bet into that market,but i think the bet,not the person,is stupid.

Edited 18 hours ago by the galah

[Gammalite]

2 hours ago, the galah said:

can't say i knew that you invest on the nz cup futures market.

I'm truly surprised anyone does given the odds of the horses are so significantly shorter than you would get for 100% of them on the day of the races.

And your  betting into that market  with no idea what your selection is drawn and in several instances little idea whether the horse will even start or what the opposition is..

then throw in you have been betting under the assumption a horse, who may well start favorite if it comes,(kingman),was not a possible starter and now knowing it had not even been  in the market until this week.

with so many factors working against anyone considering having a bet in the nz cup futures market,i assumed,obviously wrongly,that only a moron would have such a bet. Obviously your not a moron.

So i will reword my comment based on what you've said. I have to be honest ,so now say,smart people obviously do  bet into that market,but i think the bet,not the person,is stupid.

Well you're probably right , and Mikey too. Of course there's going to be the drop outs and what not that make All-In betting a risk in future markets.  and the Late entries you mention too. 

 Bit of a drought in the NZ Cup actually with not taking Copy That nor Swayzee the past 4 years who won it twice each. But being the Big race of the season I'm quite prepared to have a go . (usually on Allstars lol)

Last year dropped 50 on the day on the race anyway , with $50 on Don't Stop Dreaming at 6-1 . so it's all the same to me. I just take whoever I think will win race . Time to find the Cup winner this year yet ?? hopefully. 😁 Akuta would be good. 

You might remember a month out from the Brisbane Interdominion in future markets  I tried to get you 100- 1 with Leap To Fame , into Fate Awaits (the Rising Sun ) and GUS in the Interdominion trot. ended up 2 wins and a 4th . But had fun trying at 100-1 with 10 bucks on. 

'NoworNever' right here at BOAY tipped the EXACT 3 winners to us the same day . LTF, into Fate Awaits and Arcee Phoenix. he would of got 75- 1 odd for the treble. so what's wrong with a fun Advance future's Pick ?

It comes off on occasion fine and you can collect on the day without even betting on the day (sometimes lol 😂🍻)  

don't worry . I gave up doing the gallop ones (futures) years ago . like the Melbourne Cup and that. Just too hard to pick and trying not to be a total moron  🤣😋😉.

of course they (harness racers)  RUN Much much more 'True To Form' at the Trots harness racing  , than the gallopers could ever hope to achieve.   💰🏆  so are a much more solid future Bet .

BTW . KEAYANG Zahara won from it's stable-mate last Saturday night at Melton , running home in under 55 seconds last half cruising . they careered away by 6 lengths from 3rd in incredible fashion. great trotting. 

If she turns up for the Dominion , then my OscarB futures at 7-1 are looking decidedly 'Shakey.' 🤣. the Galah on the money again? , not liking this future's stuff  Might be correct yet again 🙄

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Well you're probably right , and Mikey too. Of course there's going to be the drop outs and what not that make All-In betting a risk in future markets.  and the Late entries you mention too. 

 Bit of a drought in the NZ Cup actually with not taking Copy That nor Swayzee the past 4 years who won it twice each. But being the Big race of the season I'm quite prepared to have a go . (usually on Allstars lol)

Last year dropped 50 on the day on the race anyway , with $50 on Don't Stop Dreaming at 6-1 . so it's all the same to me. I just take whoever I think will win race . Time to find the Cup winner this year yet ?? hopefully. 😁 Akuta would be good. 

You might remember a month out from the Brisbane Interdominion in future markets  I tried to get you 100- 1 with Leap To Fame , into Fate Awaits (the Rising Sun ) and GUS in the Interdominion trot. ended up 2 wins and a 4th . But had fun trying at 100-1 with 10 bucks on. 

'NoworNever' right here at BOAY tipped the EXACT 3 winners to us the same day . LTF, into Fate Awaits and Arcee Phoenix. he would of got 75- 1 odd for the treble. so what's wrong with a fun Advance future's Pick ?

It comes off on occasion fine and you can collect on the day without even betting on the day (sometimes lol 😂🍻)  

don't worry . I gave up doing the gallop ones (futures) years ago . like the Melbourne Cup and that. Just too hard to pick and trying not to be a total moron  🤣😋😉.

of course they (harness racers)  RUN Much much more 'True To Form' at the Trots harness racing  , than the gallopers could ever hope to achieve.   💰🏆  so are a much more solid future Bet .

BTW . KEAYANG Zahara won from it's stable-mate last Saturday night at Melton , running home in under 55 seconds last half cruising . they careered away by 6 lengths from 3rd in incredible fashion. great trotting. 

If she turns up for the Dominion , then my OscarB futures at 7-1 are looking decidedly 'Shakey.' 🤣. the Galah on the money again? , not liking this future's stuff  Might be correct yet again 🙄

i think the form kingman has shown,he looks the obvious one to me,but i don't know whether he goes away from a stand and then we don't even know if hes coming or not. But theres only 3 weeks to go and hes the form horse.

Republican party is the form horse in nz, but i think he would need the idela run to win. I.e.if he got the front early without working much,which of course may happen. While he has been too good for the other nz horses recently,i think the gap between him and the others isn't as much as the recent results indicate. He has been very well driven recently by c dalgety and really his driver has used the horses capabilities and just outsmarted the other drivers a bit as well.

i think  2/3 of the likely field could run in the top 3 if they got a cosy run on the markers and then got a gap at the right time.

but to me it looks like kingman to win if he comes.

leap to fame still has to be a chance,but hes not racing as well as kingman has in recent starts and im don't know why he would come if hes not at his best..

whats your thoughts.

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

to me it looks like kingman to win if he comes.

leap to fame still has to be a chance,but hes not racing as well as kingman has in recent starts and im don't know why he would come if hes not at his best..

whats your thoughts.

happy to go with that. Fabulous with a horse is Luke McCarthy. Kingman did it well the other night.

and for the NZ Cup trifecta >

Akuta is a great horse and Mark has prepared a lot of Cup winners. and Republican Party for the trifecta. Carter really got him pinging , and he went great over 2 miles in it last year and Auckland Cup too.  

Left 'Leap To Fame' out of my Vic Cup trifecta altogether as well lol 😆 think he's won enough for one lifetime 😎 . I had HiMynameisJeff - Kingman for Quinella  with Catch A Wave for 3rd from the pole draw. thought was gunna get it in the run too , but Catch A Wave had pulled a bit,  so stopped late after trailing leader the weak Wally 😅. 

[Newmarket]

On 20/10/2025 at 2:53 PM, the galah said:

can anyone tell me what the point is of the tab having a futures market on the nz cup.

And why do the harness media continually talk about the market ,then in the next breath state the obvious,that only an absolute moron would bet on the futures market anyway.

here we are about 3 weeeks out from the nz cup and the tab prices are  pathetically small for all the runners and now,given the latest news story on the hrnz website,it seems a horse who has never been ever considered a possible starter,(kingman) may well be allowed to throw in a late nomination and would most likely start favorite if he does.

i mean,its humourous in a way,but ridiculous to the extreme.

isn't it about time the tab stopped ripping off the dumb and the nz racing media stopped talking about odds that their audience know are just a load of rubbish.

Agree…. 

[mikeynz]

1 hour ago, Newmarket said:

Agree…. 

Futures market would be fine if you get ya dosh back if horse dont run, other than that it's a con.