hunterthepunter Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 the tiger tames Allstars with another massive win in hunter cup in race record time outstanding training by Pizzuto 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 15 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: the tiger tames Allstars with another massive win in hunter cup in race record time outstanding training by Pizzuto Tiger Tara in top form at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDWHITEMAN Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 48 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: the tiger tames Allstars with another massive win in hunter cup in race record time outstanding training by Pizzuto Yes, he won well. The draw helped but impressive victory all the same. All Stars horses went OK both had tough runs, the other Kiwis never got into the race. Raupukuku Ruler beaten a long way from home. What has happened to this horse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 23 minutes ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: Yes, he won well. The draw helped but impressive victory all the same. All Stars horses went OK both had tough runs, the other Kiwis never got into the race. Raupukuku Ruler beaten a long way from home. What has happened to this horse? Owners sold out at the right time with Rakapuka ruler. All stars second in Hondo Grattan at menangle, chase Auckland won a weak race on the same card. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Flagship uberalles said: Owners sold out at the right time with Rakapuka ruler. All stars second in Hondo Grattan at menangle, chase Auckland won a weak race on the same card. Rakapuka ruler, very poor. Did have the blood swapping thing going on for a while earlier in nz, maybe thats why some of these horses never go on when older 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 5 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: the tiger tames Allstars with another massive win in hunter cup in race record time outstanding training by Pizzuto They wouldn t have got near Tiger Tara either way. Best horse by far in this neck of the woods, and at 8 is low flying . Brilliant to watch him destroy a number of top fields this year, just keeps getting better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 27 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Rakapuka ruler, very poor. Did have the blood swapping thing going on for a while earlier in nz, maybe thats why some of these horses never go on when older I think your right, it must affect them somewhere down the line, he was such a nice 3yo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 4 hours ago, globederby12 said: They wouldn t have got near Tiger Tara either way. Best horse by far in this neck of the woods, and at 8 is low flying . Brilliant to watch him destroy a number of top fields this year, just keeps getting better. outstanding trainer to keep the tiger so sound and to hold his form all year just outstanding true open class champ 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 12 hours ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: Yes, he won well. The draw helped but impressive victory all the same. All Stars horses went OK both had tough runs, the other Kiwis never got into the race. Raupukuku Ruler beaten a long way from home. What has happened to this horse? How can you say the AllStars 2 when OK. They were beaten by 17 lengths and 31 lengths . That isn’t OK by their standards - it is a thrashing and way off the pace 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youngrufus Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Tiger Tara would have to be off the top of my head the best horse to have not won a NZ cup wouldn't he? Others would be Elsu, Roydon Glen and Master Musician. Any others? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 14 minutes ago, youngrufus said: Tiger Tara would have to be off the top of my head the best horse to have not won a NZ cup wouldn't he? Others would be Elsu, Roydon Glen and Master Musician. Any others? Lazarus was his undoing, shame when good horses run into one better all the time. You have to wonder why it was sold in the first place as all its done is improve since it was exported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 18 minutes ago, youngrufus said: Tiger Tara would have to be off the top of my head the best horse to have not won a NZ cup wouldn't he? Others would be Elsu, Roydon Glen and Master Musician. Any others? Delightful lady 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 1 hour ago, youngrufus said: Tiger Tara would have to be off the top of my head the best horse to have not won a NZ cup wouldn't he? Others would be Elsu, Roydon Glen and Master Musician. Any others? Raphoe! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDWHITEMAN Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 12 hours ago, LongOwner said: How can you say the AllStars 2 when OK. They were beaten by 17 lengths and 31 lengths . That isn’t OK by their standards - it is a thrashing and way off the pace I can say what I like. Both Purdon horses did a power of work, both three-wide for some time. They were put into the race and it cost them. I thought The Fixer in particular stuck on well. Neither of the Purdon horses are as good as the likes of Smolda, Lazarus or Adore Me and they did all right for the class of horse they are. Do you think the winner would have been so impressive if he had drawn the outside? The Purdon horses were far superior to the other NZ horses Star Galleria and Rakapukupuku Lad, both these horses did nothing during the running and the latter in particular was beaten a long, long way from home. Reid's horse not much better. With the drawTiger Tara had he was almost unbeatable and I doubt even the likes of Lazarus could have beaten him on the night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 3, 2019 Author Share Posted February 3, 2019 7 minutes ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: I can say what I like. Both Purdon horses did a power of work, both three-wide for some time. They were put into the race and it cost them. I thought The Fixer in particular stuck on well. Neither of the Purdon horses are as good as the likes of Smolda, Lazarus or Adore Me and they did all right for the class of horse they are. Do you think the winner would have been so impressive if he had drawn the outside? The Purdon horses were far superior to the other NZ horses Star Galleria and Rakapukupuku Lad, both these horses did nothing during the running and the latter in particular was beaten a long, long way from home. Reid's horse not much better. With the drawTiger Tara had he was almost unbeatable and I doubt even the likes of Lazarus could have beaten him on the night. purdon two horses went nill even buster Brady beat them home Tiger Tara could of sat parked and still would of kicked there arse in 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 3 hours ago, youngrufus said: Tiger Tara would have to be off the top of my head the best horse to have not won a NZ cup wouldn't he? Others would be Elsu, Roydon Glen and Master Musician. Any others? Young Quinn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 18 minutes ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: I can say what I like. Both Purdon horses did a power of work, both three-wide for some time. They were put into the race and it cost them. I thought The Fixer in particular stuck on well. Neither of the Purdon horses are as good as the likes of Smolda, Lazarus or Adore Me and they did all right for the class of horse they are. Do you think the winner would have been so impressive if he had drawn the outside? The Purdon horses were far superior to the other NZ horses Star Galleria and Rakapukupuku Lad, both these horses did nothing during the running and the latter in particular was beaten a long, long way from home. Reid's horse not much better. With the drawTiger Tara had he was almost unbeatable and I doubt even the likes of Lazarus could have beaten him on the night. 21 minutes ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: I can say what I like. Both Purdon horses did a power of work, both three-wide for some time. They were put into the race and it cost them. I thought The Fixer in particular stuck on well. Neither of the Purdon horses are as good as the likes of Smolda, Lazarus or Adore Me and they did all right for the class of horse they are. Do you think the winner would have been so impressive if he had drawn the outside? The Purdon horses were far superior to the other NZ horses Star Galleria and Rakapukupuku Lad, both these horses did nothing during the running and the latter in particular was beaten a long, long way from home. Reid's horse not much better. With the drawTiger Tara had he was almost unbeatable and I doubt even the likes of Lazarus could have beaten him on the night. You get quite grumpy when your opinion is questioned . The Fixer should of been put in the race at Cambridge - then had a chance of winner that race . 19 minutes ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: I can say what I like. Both Purdon horses did a power of work, both three-wide for some time. They were put into the race and it cost them. I thought The Fixer in particular stuck on well. Neither of the Purdon horses are as good as the likes of Smolda, Lazarus or Adore Me and they did all right for the class of horse they are. Do you think the winner would have been so impressive if he had drawn the outside? The Purdon horses were far superior to the other NZ horses Star Galleria and Rakapukupuku Lad, both these horses did nothing during the running and the latter in particular was beaten a long, long way from home. Reid's horse not much better. With the drawTiger Tara had he was almost unbeatable and I doubt even the likes of Lazarus could have beaten him on the night. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
With A Dream Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Final Decision, maybe not one of the best but certainly one of the unluckiest. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 It is always good when the stake money is shared around different stables! Domination of anything is never great! Would be great if the bigger stakes races in NZ this year has winners coming out of many stables! Itmisnt going to happen, we all know that, and so the deterioration in harness racing will continue unfortunately! Sad, but very true, and becomes a yawn fest to most except the very few AllStar flag bearers!!, 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrossCodes Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 Sorry OLDWHITEMAN but you are well off the mark this time, both horses went well below their best and were a long way behind the winner and beaten home by some average horses. They will bounce back but to say they went good races is drawing a very long bow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 11 minutes ago, Brodie said: It is always good when the stake money is shared around different stables! Domination of anything is never great! Would be great if the bigger stakes races in NZ this year has winners coming out of many stables! Itmisnt going to happen, we all know that, and so the deterioration in harness racing will continue unfortunately! Sad, but very true, and becomes a yawn fest to most except the very few AllStar flag bearers!!, From your repetitive posts i think we all know your thoughts on the All Stars barn However even you would have to concede that they don't win all the big races and don't even compete in many other races throughout the country. Yes, they target major carnivals as that's what they are very good at and what there owners want in return for the capital they outlay. The demise of Harness racing , in fact all NZ racing is not due to Purdon or any one single entity . I suggest you think outside the box you are trapped in, racing is not what it used to be and probably never will be like that again, too much competition in terms of time and money elsewhere. Greg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: From your repetitive posts i think we all know your thoughts on the All Stars barn However even you would have to concede that they don't win all the big races and don't even compete in many other races throughout the country. Yes, they target major carnivals as that's what they are very good at and what there owners want in return for the capital they outlay. The demise of Harness racing , in fact all NZ racing is not due to Purdon or any one single entity . I suggest you think outside the box you are trapped in, racing is not what it used to be and probably never will be like that again, too much competition in terms of time and money elsewhere. Greg Greg, No they don’t win all the BIG races! They would win the majority of them that they compete in!!!! Very rarely do their horses get beaten in the big races and mostly fill the first few placings! We realise that you are a total supporter and that is your perogative, and I won’t knock that! What anyone with a vested interest in the game outside of the stable realise that the domination is not good, whether you like it or not!!!! Edited February 4, 2019 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Brodie said: Greg, No they don’t win all the BIG races! They would win the majority of them that they compete in!!!! Very rarely do their horses get beaten in the big races and mostly fill the first few placings! We realise that you are a total supporter and that is your perogative, and I won’t knock that! What anyone with a vested interest in the game outside of the stable realise that the domination is not good, whether you like it or not!!!! Not entirely so, but who are the we you speak of. Nonetheless you and others can think what you like. 10/10 for generalization in your last sentence, i agree its an opinion shared by some but not all and totally unprovable either way As i suggested you need to get out of the box your trapped in re AS and restrictions, harness racing has a lot more problems than those 2 issues IMHO. Some might even say they are very good for the industry. Greg Edited February 4, 2019 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 4, 2019 Author Share Posted February 4, 2019 6 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Lazarus was his undoing, shame when good horses run into one better all the time. You have to wonder why it was sold in the first place as all its done is improve since it was exported. what was Lazarus undoing in miracle mile was it the detection barn?? adore me was going to start in the race but was withdrawn because of detection barn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 4, 2019 Share Posted February 4, 2019 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Not entirely so, but who are the we you speak of. Nonetheless you and others can think what you like. 10/10 for generalization in your last sentence, i agree its an opinion shared by some but not all and totally unprovable either way As i suggested you need to get out of the box your trapped in re AS and restrictions, harness racing has a lot more problems than those 2 issues IMHO. Some might even say they are very good for the industry. Greg Take your blinkers off, and look at what is happening! The stakes races are never full Fields nowadays and always dominated by the one stable. Most owners and trainers hate this domination by the one stable, and why wouldn’t they? Very hard for trainers to attract new owners which is going to affect the industry in the coming years as the oldies move on! It can not continue the way it is! 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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