TAB / Betcha…. Please Gamble Responsibly!

[Newmarket]

Well Cup week over for another year, always enjoy catching up with mates not just in Christchurch, but all around NZ as well as some from overseas. 
Meeting for breakfast before races one day, the subject of Entains Safer Betting, or Responsible Gambling. Many didnt know much about offerings, so a quick look on the TAB App, and we tick on Responsible Gambling….well it directs you to Entain.com.au, so gives info on South Australian and Northern Territory code of practice for responsible gambling🤣🤣🤣 Can also click on Safer Betting, which is a real cop out, as really they are putting the onus back onto the punter…. how many punters with gambling problems will look at these options, very few i suggest. 
 

Also interesting is this statement….We have a team of dedicated staff well versed in providing advice and assistance. We regularly make contact with customers where we’ve identified there may be some element of risk???

WTF, none of the 20 or so punters that discussed this had ever had the TAB check in with them regarding their loses, and some were pretty big punters, in fact only contact that was ever made by the TAB was regarding account restrictions? Also mentioned by group, it seems most of Aussie operators email customers win/loss statements each month, i know Sportsbet & Betfair did, nothing from Betcha & TAB, in fact worse that that, they have set up Betcha to entice young people to bet, mostly on sport. I feel uneasy about this, youngsters have gambling at their fingertips 24/7, unlike people around my age, early 80s TAB only opened certain days of week, no casinos and no online betting. What are others views on this matter, it seems people are worried about greyhounds getting injured, but is enough getting done helping gamblers online? 
 

 

 

[Chief Stipe]

I realise you look for anything you can to moan about but some of your comments are not correct regarding the Safer Betting options available on the TAB App.  Just click on the hamburger button bottom right titled more and you will see on the next menu a position 4 a tab through to a Safer Betting Menu.

There you can find a plethora of options to limit your betting - glad you are worried about it just before Christmas and intend to limit your losses.  You can also view you statements.

 

[Newmarket]

27 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I realise you look for anything you can to moan about but some of your comments are not correct regarding the Safer Betting options available on the TAB App.  Just click on the hamburger button bottom right titled more and you will see on the next menu a position 4 a tab through to a Safer Betting Menu.

There you can find a plethora of options to limit your betting - glad you are worried about it just before Christmas and intend to limit your losses.  You can also view you statements.

 

Goodness me…. you do know i stated that was the case with the safer betting section, but if you click further down to Responsible Gambling, you will be directed to Australian site. I might have to explain my post more simply for you….

1- You said you can view statement on TAB, thats not a statement its a summary of betting transactions, Aussie operators supply monthly statement of all bets, as well as your win / loss monthly amount, totally different.

2-TAB, anyone ever been contacted about their betting habits? 
 

3- Safer Betting, only options for punters to enforce, its a bloody cop out for Entain at a time they are enticing  younger punters. 

[Chief Stipe]

The answer to question 2 is yes.  Betting IS monitored.

As for 3.  It is no different to Pokies where it is up to individual responsibility to restrict themsleves and there are processes to do that.

You really are bitching for the sake of it.  What ENTAIN have in place os light years ahead of the old TAB.

[Newmarket]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

The answer to question 2 is yes.  Betting IS monitored.

As for 3.  It is no different to Pokies where it is up to individual responsibility to restrict themsleves and there are processes to do that.

You really are bitching for the sake of it.  What ENTAIN have in place os light years ahead of the old TAB.

Total BS….

I know of many punters at the Casino that have been approached regarding their gambling… even i  was approached about 10 yrs ago playing Blackjack at the Christchurch Casino, reason being i arrived there at midnight and was still playing at 7am with a few mates, told me to take a break. Funny thing, since Casino first opened, only been there about 6 times, not been there for about 8 yrs. 
But nobody gets asked at TAB outlets or betting online, your dreaming. Once again your comments show somebody  who has no idea about gambling, apart from your little syndicate on Melbourne Cup day at the retirement village. 
 

Would like to know, if anybody has ever been contacted by the TAB either at an outlet or online….

I have been punting 42yrs…. A BIG NO from me.

[PeterLambFan]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

The answer to question 2 is yes.  Betting IS monitored.

As for 3.  It is no different to Pokies where it is up to individual responsibility to restrict themsleves and there are processes to do that.

You really are bitching for the sake of it.  What ENTAIN have in place is light years ahead of the old TAB.

There are requirements on staff to check in with people playing the pokies and ask questions etc at various time frames or if they get cash out a certain number of times, the machines are also required to stop every so often.
 

Can’t say I’ve ever heard of anything like that in relation to the TAB in an agency or pub. 
 

I’m not sure on the actual exclusion process for either though. 

[Newmarket]

4 minutes ago, PeterLambFan said:

There are requirements on staff to check in with people playing the pokies and ask questions etc at various time frames or if they get cash out a certain number of times, the machines are also required to stop every so often.
 

Can’t say I’ve ever heard of anything like that in relation to the TAB in an agency or pub. 
 

I’m not sure on the actual exclusion process for either though. 

Yes agree… it never happens, Entain know who is betting too much as most bet on accounts. The Safer Betting nonsense is Entain ticking a box. 
i would like to see more done, especially for younger punters.

[Chief Stipe]

12 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Yes agree… it never happens, Entain know who is betting too much as most bet on accounts. The Safer Betting nonsense is Entain ticking a box. 
i would like to see more done, especially for younger punters.

Why?  I guess you are Anti-racing.

[Huey]

23 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Why?  I guess you are Anti-racing.

Wanting punters to have a safe and enjoyable time whilst wagering is anti - racing ... you've well and truly lost the plot @Chief Stipe! 

[PeterLambFan]

33 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Why?  I guess you are Anti-racing.

Well given providing a safe gambling environment and paying the problem gambling levy was one of the reasons we were told a monopoly was needed. 

[Shab]

Betfair make lots of contact if you’re spending a lot of time online. Guy rung me once to discuss how many hours spent and asking if I wanted to set a deposit limit. Told him hadn’t made a deposit for years. I think the monthly statements should be done by Entain but they won’t unless forced to. See Winston right pay some more bribe money and they don’t have to worry about it.

[Newmarket]

51 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Why?  I guess you are Anti-racing.

What a crazy question…. you know i love racing, especially harness.

But come on, surely you can see enticing kids at 18yrs to constantly gamble with matched deposits is a dangerous thing…. and online Casinos are the worst.

[Chief Stipe]

26 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

What a crazy question…. you know i love racing, especially harness.

But come on, surely you can see enticing kids at 18yrs to constantly gamble with matched deposits is a dangerous thing…. and online Casinos are the worst.

LOL hypocricsy at its best.  Are you judging the youth of today from your own failures?

If you are as good as you profess them you need as many people as possible to lose so you can buy your lunch!

[Newmarket]

4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

LOL hypocricsy at its best.  Are you judging the youth of today from your own failures?

If you are as good as you profess them you need as many people as possible to lose so you can buy your lunch!

At least all the other posters on this thread can see my point…. sadly you are quite ok for all of our kids and grandkids to be bombarded with these offers…. sad, but i see an issue with it

[Murray Fish]

40 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

sadly you are quite ok for all of our kids and grandkids to be bombarded with these offers…. sad, but i see an issue with it

gambling should be taught to all kids!  I have always been happy to do that within my extended family!    its been interesting to see how quickly 'sports' have spread a gambling vernacular in daily coverage!  

[Chief Stipe]

On 1/12/2025 at 10:37 PM, Newmarket said:

At least all the other posters on this thread can see my point…. sadly you are quite ok for all of our kids and grandkids to be bombarded with these offers…. sad, but i see an issue with it

What the other two?  @Huey doesn't count as he is just plain Anti-anything Racing.

You are becoming much the same.  You are blind to your own hyprocriscy.  Why are you concerned now about this issues?  You weren't in the past.  The irony is you are the biggest moaner about losing your access to the plethora of other betting agencies across the ditch.  Your "kids" who are probably adults could have flown under harm rules by doing what their Grand-dad did spreading bets over 18 or more different agencies none of who would have any idea what your total quantum was!!!

Yeah na!  You are just Anti-ENTAIN and are throwing your toys everywhere!  The majority of readers of your posts can see that.

On 1/12/2025 at 8:05 PM, PeterLambFan said:

There are requirements on staff to check in with people playing the pokies and ask questions etc at various time frames or if they get cash out a certain number of times, the machines are also required to stop every so often.
 

Can’t say I’ve ever heard of anything like that in relation to the TAB in an agency or pub. 

Doh!  They don't have a separate ATM in the pubs one for the TAB and one for the Pokies and only the latter is questioned.  The withdrawals are questioned and limited regardless of where the money is spent.

The difference with the TAB is if you use your debit or credit card to load your account the information is recorded.  I know for a fact that pub locations will get a phone call from the TAB if repeated large transactions either in or out are done by the same person.  I guess none of you are in that category.  There are cameras in the pods as well.  Which is miles ahead of Pokie compliance measures which is limited restricting cash withdrawals from the bar or bar ATM.  Which is a crock anyway as how many bars do you know that within 200m down the road there is a Bank ATM!!

[Newmarket]

Your comments on this thread are absolutely nonsense Chief….

[Chief Stipe]

40 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Your comments on this thread are absolutely nonsense Chief….

That's somewhat of an extreme generalisation. The fact is up until ENTAIN arrived on the scene you have made no posts on gambling harm to young gamblers.  

Yet the moment you are restricted in where and how much you can wager you are all over it and pleading for the welfare of your kids and grandkids.  You may well describe comments nonsense written by someone calling out the irony and hypocricsy of your new found stance.

Not to mention of course that you are not prepared to state what the nonsense is!!

[curious]

15 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

That's somewhat of an extreme generalisation. The fact is up until ENTAIN arrived on the scene you have made no posts on gambling harm to young gamblers.  

Up until Entain arrived there was little promotion of gambling to young gamblers. Now it is massive by comparison in case you hadn't noticed.

[hesi]

Not a lot different to the tens of millions of dollars spent over the years on mainstream media, promoting Lotto to all age groups.

Seems to have become an accepted part of NZ society, nobody blinks

The media regularly report on the weekly pool and winning prize money.

[Chief Stipe]

36 minutes ago, curious said:

Up until Entain arrived there was little promotion of gambling to young gamblers. Now it is massive by comparison in case you hadn't noticed.

I'm convinced that you have joined the band of contrary old men.  On the one hand you are grizzling about the lack of promotion and involvement of a younger generation in racing and now you have a conscience about young people gambling.

[Chief Stipe]

12 minutes ago, hesi said:

Not a lot different to the tens of millions of dollars spent over the years on mainstream media, promoting Lotto to all age groups.

Seems to have become an accepted part of NZ society, nobody blinks

The media regularly report on the weekly pool and winning prize money.

Yeah and I don't hear anyone complaining about LOTTO's takeout rate!

[hesi]

46%, so 54% returned in prizes

Just over half of that 46% goes as sports and community grants.

It may be dressed up with all the warm fuzzies, but still gambling and like the TAB, readily available online now.

On one hand we have part of the proceeds of gambling funding an industry, and increasingly more, sports organisations

On the other, the proceeds supporting community and sports organisations.

 

Just had a look through some of the Lotto ads, and there is no reference to betting responsibly, whereas with Entain/TAB every advert/promotion has a reference to bet responsibly, even when Trackside presenters are promoting having a bet.

So, you would have to say, that Entain have taken a lot more responsible approach to the promotion of gambling

 

• New Zealand’s Gambling Advertising Code (administered by the ASA) has rules on how gambling can be advertised — including care about audiences, placement, and no targeting of minors. ASA - Advertising Standards Authority

• That code doesn’t say every Lotto ad must carry a specific warning label, but it does require advertisers to consider harm and audience appropriateness.

Not sure how audience appropriateness is accommodated, when they are advertising mainstream at times when there is viewing by children

Edited 2 hours ago by hesi

[curious]

34 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I'm convinced that you have joined the band of contrary old men.  On the one hand you are grizzling about the lack of promotion and involvement of a younger generation in racing and now you have a conscience about young people gambling.

Can't you have both?

[hesi]

15 minutes ago, hesi said:

46%, so 54% returned in prizes

Just over half of that 46% goes as sports and community grants.

It may be dressed up with all the warm fuzzies, but still gambling and like the TAB, readily available online now.

On one hand we have part of the proceeds of gambling funding an industry, and increasingly more, sports organisations

On the other, the proceeds supporting community and sports organisations.

 

Just had a look through some of the Lotto ads, and there is no reference to betting responsibly, whereas with Entain/TAB every advert/promotion has a reference to bet responsibly, even when Trackside presenters are promoting having a bet.

So, you would have to say, that Entain have taken a lot more responsible approach to the promotion of gambling

 

• New Zealand’s Gambling Advertising Code (administered by the ASA) has rules on how gambling can be advertised — including care about audiences, placement, and no targeting of minors. ASA - Advertising Standards Authority

• That code doesn’t say every Lotto ad must carry a specific warning label, but it does require advertisers to consider harm and audience appropriateness.

Not sure how audience appropriateness is accommodated, when they are advertising mainstream at times when there is viewing by children

Adding to this, Lotto has only one tool to assist in betting responsibly 'Spend Limits"

Whereas the TAB has a whole section on tools to assist, called Safer Betting Resources

So once again, you would have to say that Entain/TAB have taken a lot more of a responsible approach to harm minimisation