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Always a crap track - too many biases.  Had a false reputation as a result of priming by self interested parties.  If the Cambridge Artificial Track does go ahead - which would be a huge folly IMO - you could only run lower grade racing there.  Big days need grass racing at a track with good facilities (while you can always supplement them with temporary stuff).

Any comment on the track on Weigh Inn - don't suppose they got their buddy Rudders on to comment (spin).

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On 9/02/2019 at 1:46 PM, MaltedMilkshake said:

OK where’s the great lady apologising to all participants for the crap track HER club has produced...?‍♀️?‍♀️?‍♀️

... while of course I can't be sure of whom you speak MM .... my general observation is that some are wont to front frequently and flamboyantly when prevailing conditions are inclined to flatter   ... but when the going gets tough  - our fair weather friends have been known to become faint hearted and shy .....   

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11 hours ago, jess said:

... while of course I can't be sure of whom you speak MM .... my general observation is that some are wont to front frequently and flamboyantly when prevailing conditions are inclined to flatter   ... but when the going gets tough  - our fair weather friends have been known to become faint hearted and shy .....   

perhaps this person has a background in PR and understands when to keep one's head below the parapet (apparently this is helpful when the bullets are flying!)...Te Rapa is a thoroughly unreliable galloping surface in recent years, a shadow of its former great self as a venue, and as one who was there often in its heyday, very sad to see/experience the below-par facilities, including overpriced food and beverage, slow customer 'service', and (worst of all) a track that either has a strong leader's bias or is 'off' near the rail.  

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On 10/02/2019 at 11:56 AM, Mark D said:

Always a crap track - too many biases.  Had a false reputation as a result of priming by self interested parties.  If the Cambridge Artificial Track does go ahead - which would be a huge folly IMO - you could only run lower grade racing there.  Big days need grass racing at a track with good facilities (while you can always supplement them with temporary stuff).

Any comment on the track on Weigh Inn - don't suppose they got their buddy Rudders on to comment (spin).

About 10 seconds in the 'na' segment

Bruce Sherwin usually does the dirty work on that program 

Guerin is too scared to criticise suits in case he loses G&T complimentary bar facilities...and Rosinowski is simply a Dog man who doesn't know much about anything thoroughbredsThoroughbreds

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20 hours ago, Weasel said:

perhaps this person has a background in PR and understands when to keep one's head below the parapet (apparently this is helpful when the bullets are flying!)...Te Rapa is a thoroughly unreliable galloping surface in recent years, a shadow of its former great self as a venue, and as one who was there often in its heyday, very sad to see/experience the below-par facilities, including overpriced food and beverage, slow customer 'service', and (worst of all) a track that either has a strong leader's bias or is 'off' near the rail.  

.... you are probably stoatily right there Weez .... reminds me of the band playing merrily on while the Titanic succumbed to the deep ....  

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Very unusual to be watering the track on the morning before...

The olde world type sprinkler system scattering water willy hilly was apparent on the Trackside live show...

The rail was 'off'...no wonder

Punters have the right then to know the EXACT Pen readings taken

Which would have undoubtedly shown the rail to be OFF

How hard is it to provide this info ffs?

Very f in easy in fact

Just table the Track Managers readings...screen shot's fine

and leave it up to punters to decide what they want to do with that info...

dickheads

 

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Even armed with that info Thomass you wouldn't have a clue how to bet with it & neither would 95% of others. I have zero idea how it would help me, what would I do Thomass, you tell me?

Would I look for a horse drawn wide and hope it sits 3-4 wide with no cover? would I look for a known back marker? what? Please also give the reasoning.

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Oh God, here we go again ..i confidently predict this thread will now descend into another endless diatribe involving the usual suspects on subjects such as dropping in grade, mid week v weekend class, blinkers on or off, first time with or without,, track conditions, blue prints etc etc etc ad nauseum ad infinitum ...DONT DO IT!!!

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36 minutes ago, Weasel said:

Oh God, here we go again ..i confidently predict this thread will now descend into another endless diatribe involving the usual suspects on subjects such as dropping in grade, mid week v weekend class, blinkers on or off, first time with or without,, track conditions, blue prints etc etc etc ad nauseum ad infinitum ...DONT DO IT!!!

Aside from where they might go, it is a valid question. So much is being asked of the industry to provide.

But nowhere is it detailed how that will aid the industry.

If it's just more information for the sake of it, what's the point?

The NZ industry is struggling, and some want more info that is questionable as to how that will improve things industry wide. 

Surely there has to be a point to it all?

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1 hour ago, barryb said:

Even armed with that info Thomass you wouldn't have a clue how to bet with it & neither would 95% of others. I have zero idea how it would help me, what would I do Thomass, you tell me?

Would I look for a horse drawn wide and hope it sits 3-4 wide with no cover? would I look for a known back marker? what? Please also give the reasoning.

Many thanks for your query...Its my mission to help people with zero idea

Usually a front runners course...4M and in...

At 5 and out it becomes a back runners course...

Riders including RIDDELL said the "rail was off"

With the overwatering on Friday the rail could have received more that the 2M width outwards...

This could easily have been shown by screen shotting the TM's sheet...1M 3M and 4.5M intervals

No cost, sfa time...leave it up to the PUNTERS to decide what to do with those

Its their right...Ok?

BTW you continually appear to be on a Whakachungas sugar high

latest research 500Mg's Vit c 2 x day for type 2...I'm here to help

best champ

 

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50 minutes ago, Thomass said:

Many thanks for your query...Its my mission to help people with zero idea

Usually a front runners course...4M and in...

At 5 and out it becomes a back runners course...

Riders including RIDDELL said the "rail was off"

With the overwatering on Friday the rail could have received more that the 2M width outwards...

This could easily have been shown by screen shotting the TM's sheet...1M 3M and 4.5M intervals

No cost, sfa time...leave it up to the PUNTERS to decide what to do with those

Its their right...Ok?

BTW you continually appear to be on a Whakachungas sugar high

latest research 500Mg's Vit c 2 x day for type 2...I'm here to help

best champ

 

You forget the biggest factor of all Thomaas.  The track might be "off on the inside" but if you don't have an intelligent jockey on board for a start who steers to advantage then you are wasting your time.  Now if a horse is ridden differently ("upside down") because of the supposed track conditions what then?  All the extra info that you want is irrelevant when at the end of the day the bottom line is the ability of the horse.

Now back to the subject of what an appalling track Te Rapa has become.

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1 hour ago, Thomass said:

Many thanks for your query...Its my mission to help people with zero idea

Usually a front runners course...4M and in...

At 5 and out it becomes a back runners course...

Riders including RIDDELL said the "rail was off"

With the overwatering on Friday the rail could have received more that the 2M width outwards...

This could easily have been shown by screen shotting the TM's sheet...1M 3M and 4.5M intervals

No cost, sfa time...leave it up to the PUNTERS to decide what to do with those

Its their right...Ok?

BTW you continually appear to be on a Whakachungas sugar high

latest research 500Mg's Vit c 2 x day for type 2...I'm here to help

best champ

 

As usual, you have helped NO ONE,  answer the question I posed to you & that is what would you do with the information?.

So are you saying because the rail was out 5m its a back runners track? so you don't need any further info than that? your posturing regarding knowing if the track is off on the inside is just that, posturing. You have zero idea what to do with the information if its given to you anyway, other than rail out 5m so its back markers only.

Dreamer.

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10 minutes ago, barryb said:

As usual, you have helped NO ONE,  answer the question I posed to you & that is what would you do with the information?.

So are you saying because the rail was out 5m its a back runners track? so you don't need any further info than that? your posturing regarding knowing if the track is off on the inside is just that, posturing. You have zero idea what to do with the informatiuon if its given to you anyway, other than rial out 5m so its back markers only.

Dreamer.

It's all VERY simple

Inside 4 metres is almost always a front runners track at TR...it drains more easily there...the Track Manager told us that on Trackside

If we'd have known the Pen readings on Saturday....we'd more than likely know the rail was off...which proved to be the case after watering the day before

Most unusual 

KEEP OFF THE RAIL...You draw handy...more than likely in trouble

Any winners stay to the rails??

YEA NA

Punters had the right to know...to do what they wanted with it

And watch for the reading given out to Whanganui Punters this winter...4.5M the widest reading

...when they're coming down the outside rail

wtf is the use to Punters with that info?

ffs

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Still havent answered the question as to what you would do with the info.

I guess you just don't back front runners, The next Te Rapa meeting can you please tell me all the front runners that I am too avoid, preferrably before the races are run.

If the rail is true, can you let us all know which ones will lead.

Thanks T very helpful.

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I'm not sure wtf you can't see bee...

Punters can do what they like with any info accurately provided....

A simple process...the rails off....stay clear of close draws and leaders I would have thought

Punters contemplating back markers would have got greater confidence BEFORE the first...

...and any multi betting on the morning

Whats the problem with Track Managers providing the readings they've taken ffs?

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16 minutes ago, Thomass said:

I'm not sure wtf you can't see bee...

Punters can do what they like with any info accurately provided....

A simple process...the rails off....stay clear of close draws and leaders I would have thought

Punters contemplating back markers would have got greater confidence BEFORE the first...

...and any multi betting on the morning

Whats the problem with Track Managers providing the readings they've taken ffs?

So inside drawn horses are always Leaders?

Can you not see T that your generalised posts are just utter crap, help NO ONE like you profess, better off just backing all horses drawn 7, about as useful.

 

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26 minutes ago, barryb said:

So inside drawn horses are always Leaders?

Can you not see T that your generalised posts are just utter crap, help NO ONE like you profess, better off just backing all horses drawn 7, about as useful.

 

Also, can't leaders run around the bends 3 wide or 5 wide? 

Barrier 7 is good. Horses starting with G and barrier 7, even better.

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22 minutes ago, mardigras said:

Also, can't leaders run around the bends 3 wide or 5 wide? 

Barrier 7 is good. Horses starting with G and barrier 7, even better.

Exactly.  If you are in front or on the pace do you have to stick to the paint?  NOPE.

Most jocks who know the inside is off start angling for the best part of the track around the final bend.  

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25 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Exactly.  If you are in front or on the pace do you have to stick to the paint?  NOPE.

Most jocks who know the inside is off start angling for the best part of the track around the final bend.  

Why wait till the final bend? Remember the apprentice Griffen who went around Te Rapa against the outside rail ? or K Browne at Rotorua doing similar and bolting in.

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2 hours ago, barryb said:

So inside drawn horses are always Leaders?

Can you not see T that your generalised posts are just utter crap, help NO ONE like you profess, better off just backing all horses drawn 7, about as useful.

 

Seriously if I say BOO...you'd say HOO

I really can't see the problem in providing factual evidence of where the best ground is...after inconsistent watering from the day before...

which caused the rail to be 'OFF'

Its bizarre you can't understand how some horses can become easily trapped on the rails....

...not all Jocks are 'Billy's' and able to push out with flailing elbows 

Absolutely no rail on a G3 should be 'off' from the word go....If it is it's a PUNTERS RIGHT TO KNOW...

Recognise

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