Mark D Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 Always a crap track - too many biases. Had a false reputation as a result of priming by self interested parties. If the Cambridge Artificial Track does go ahead - which would be a huge folly IMO - you could only run lower grade racing there. Big days need grass racing at a track with good facilities (while you can always supplement them with temporary stuff). Any comment on the track on Weigh Inn - don't suppose they got their buddy Rudders on to comment (spin). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 49 minutes ago, mumbles said: Crowd numbers at WF yesterday said to be 6000 plus. How does that compare to Te Rapa. Be lucky to be 1000. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 The rail was off according to the jocks..and played like that... wtf Punters don't receive the Pen readings...already taken by the Track Manager is ridiculous.. The Lisa's of this world walk the track before riding...why can't Punters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just hauling out some Pink Floyd music......" Another Brick in the Wall " 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloke Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 59 minutes ago, Kopia said: Just hauling out some Pink Floyd music......" Another Brick in the Wall " We are talking The Tron, has to be AC/DC "Thunder Struck" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 On 9/02/2019 at 1:46 PM, MaltedMilkshake said: OK where’s the great lady apologising to all participants for the crap track HER club has produced...?♀️?♀️?♀️ ... while of course I can't be sure of whom you speak MM .... my general observation is that some are wont to front frequently and flamboyantly when prevailing conditions are inclined to flatter ... but when the going gets tough - our fair weather friends have been known to become faint hearted and shy ..... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 11 hours ago, jess said: ... while of course I can't be sure of whom you speak MM .... my general observation is that some are wont to front frequently and flamboyantly when prevailing conditions are inclined to flatter ... but when the going gets tough - our fair weather friends have been known to become faint hearted and shy ..... perhaps this person has a background in PR and understands when to keep one's head below the parapet (apparently this is helpful when the bullets are flying!)...Te Rapa is a thoroughly unreliable galloping surface in recent years, a shadow of its former great self as a venue, and as one who was there often in its heyday, very sad to see/experience the below-par facilities, including overpriced food and beverage, slow customer 'service', and (worst of all) a track that either has a strong leader's bias or is 'off' near the rail. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 On 10/02/2019 at 11:56 AM, Mark D said: Always a crap track - too many biases. Had a false reputation as a result of priming by self interested parties. If the Cambridge Artificial Track does go ahead - which would be a huge folly IMO - you could only run lower grade racing there. Big days need grass racing at a track with good facilities (while you can always supplement them with temporary stuff). Any comment on the track on Weigh Inn - don't suppose they got their buddy Rudders on to comment (spin). About 10 seconds in the 'na' segment Bruce Sherwin usually does the dirty work on that program Guerin is too scared to criticise suits in case he loses G&T complimentary bar facilities...and Rosinowski is simply a Dog man who doesn't know much about anything thoroughbredsThoroughbreds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jess Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 20 hours ago, Weasel said: perhaps this person has a background in PR and understands when to keep one's head below the parapet (apparently this is helpful when the bullets are flying!)...Te Rapa is a thoroughly unreliable galloping surface in recent years, a shadow of its former great self as a venue, and as one who was there often in its heyday, very sad to see/experience the below-par facilities, including overpriced food and beverage, slow customer 'service', and (worst of all) a track that either has a strong leader's bias or is 'off' near the rail. .... you are probably stoatily right there Weez .... reminds me of the band playing merrily on while the Titanic succumbed to the deep .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 On 9/02/2019 at 1:46 PM, MaltedMilkshake said: OK where’s the great lady apologising to all participants for the crap track HER club has produced...?♀️?♀️?♀️ Wasn't there a T20 on the next day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Very unusual to be watering the track on the morning before... The olde world type sprinkler system scattering water willy hilly was apparent on the Trackside live show... The rail was 'off'...no wonder Punters have the right then to know the EXACT Pen readings taken Which would have undoubtedly shown the rail to be OFF How hard is it to provide this info ffs? Very f in easy in fact Just table the Track Managers readings...screen shot's fine and leave it up to punters to decide what they want to do with that info... dickheads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Even armed with that info Thomass you wouldn't have a clue how to bet with it & neither would 95% of others. I have zero idea how it would help me, what would I do Thomass, you tell me? Would I look for a horse drawn wide and hope it sits 3-4 wide with no cover? would I look for a known back marker? what? Please also give the reasoning. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 Oh God, here we go again ..i confidently predict this thread will now descend into another endless diatribe involving the usual suspects on subjects such as dropping in grade, mid week v weekend class, blinkers on or off, first time with or without,, track conditions, blue prints etc etc etc ad nauseum ad infinitum ...DONT DO IT!!! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 36 minutes ago, Weasel said: Oh God, here we go again ..i confidently predict this thread will now descend into another endless diatribe involving the usual suspects on subjects such as dropping in grade, mid week v weekend class, blinkers on or off, first time with or without,, track conditions, blue prints etc etc etc ad nauseum ad infinitum ...DONT DO IT!!! Aside from where they might go, it is a valid question. So much is being asked of the industry to provide. But nowhere is it detailed how that will aid the industry. If it's just more information for the sake of it, what's the point? The NZ industry is struggling, and some want more info that is questionable as to how that will improve things industry wide. Surely there has to be a point to it all? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 1 hour ago, barryb said: Even armed with that info Thomass you wouldn't have a clue how to bet with it & neither would 95% of others. I have zero idea how it would help me, what would I do Thomass, you tell me? Would I look for a horse drawn wide and hope it sits 3-4 wide with no cover? would I look for a known back marker? what? Please also give the reasoning. Many thanks for your query...Its my mission to help people with zero idea Usually a front runners course...4M and in... At 5 and out it becomes a back runners course... Riders including RIDDELL said the "rail was off" With the overwatering on Friday the rail could have received more that the 2M width outwards... This could easily have been shown by screen shotting the TM's sheet...1M 3M and 4.5M intervals No cost, sfa time...leave it up to the PUNTERS to decide what to do with those Its their right...Ok? BTW you continually appear to be on a Whakachungas sugar high latest research 500Mg's Vit c 2 x day for type 2...I'm here to help best champ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 50 minutes ago, Thomass said: Many thanks for your query...Its my mission to help people with zero idea Usually a front runners course...4M and in... At 5 and out it becomes a back runners course... Riders including RIDDELL said the "rail was off" With the overwatering on Friday the rail could have received more that the 2M width outwards... This could easily have been shown by screen shotting the TM's sheet...1M 3M and 4.5M intervals No cost, sfa time...leave it up to the PUNTERS to decide what to do with those Its their right...Ok? BTW you continually appear to be on a Whakachungas sugar high latest research 500Mg's Vit c 2 x day for type 2...I'm here to help best champ You forget the biggest factor of all Thomaas. The track might be "off on the inside" but if you don't have an intelligent jockey on board for a start who steers to advantage then you are wasting your time. Now if a horse is ridden differently ("upside down") because of the supposed track conditions what then? All the extra info that you want is irrelevant when at the end of the day the bottom line is the ability of the horse. Now back to the subject of what an appalling track Te Rapa has become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Thomass said: Many thanks for your query...Its my mission to help people with zero idea Usually a front runners course...4M and in... At 5 and out it becomes a back runners course... Riders including RIDDELL said the "rail was off" With the overwatering on Friday the rail could have received more that the 2M width outwards... This could easily have been shown by screen shotting the TM's sheet...1M 3M and 4.5M intervals No cost, sfa time...leave it up to the PUNTERS to decide what to do with those Its their right...Ok? BTW you continually appear to be on a Whakachungas sugar high latest research 500Mg's Vit c 2 x day for type 2...I'm here to help best champ As usual, you have helped NO ONE, answer the question I posed to you & that is what would you do with the information?. So are you saying because the rail was out 5m its a back runners track? so you don't need any further info than that? your posturing regarding knowing if the track is off on the inside is just that, posturing. You have zero idea what to do with the information if its given to you anyway, other than rail out 5m so its back markers only. Dreamer. Edited February 12, 2019 by barryb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 10 minutes ago, barryb said: As usual, you have helped NO ONE, answer the question I posed to you & that is what would you do with the information?. So are you saying because the rail was out 5m its a back runners track? so you don't need any further info than that? your posturing regarding knowing if the track is off on the inside is just that, posturing. You have zero idea what to do with the informatiuon if its given to you anyway, other than rial out 5m so its back markers only. Dreamer. It's all VERY simple Inside 4 metres is almost always a front runners track at TR...it drains more easily there...the Track Manager told us that on Trackside If we'd have known the Pen readings on Saturday....we'd more than likely know the rail was off...which proved to be the case after watering the day before Most unusual KEEP OFF THE RAIL...You draw handy...more than likely in trouble Any winners stay to the rails?? YEA NA Punters had the right to know...to do what they wanted with it And watch for the reading given out to Whanganui Punters this winter...4.5M the widest reading ...when they're coming down the outside rail wtf is the use to Punters with that info? ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Still havent answered the question as to what you would do with the info. I guess you just don't back front runners, The next Te Rapa meeting can you please tell me all the front runners that I am too avoid, preferrably before the races are run. If the rail is true, can you let us all know which ones will lead. Thanks T very helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 I'm not sure wtf you can't see bee... Punters can do what they like with any info accurately provided.... A simple process...the rails off....stay clear of close draws and leaders I would have thought Punters contemplating back markers would have got greater confidence BEFORE the first... ...and any multi betting on the morning Whats the problem with Track Managers providing the readings they've taken ffs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 16 minutes ago, Thomass said: I'm not sure wtf you can't see bee... Punters can do what they like with any info accurately provided.... A simple process...the rails off....stay clear of close draws and leaders I would have thought Punters contemplating back markers would have got greater confidence BEFORE the first... ...and any multi betting on the morning Whats the problem with Track Managers providing the readings they've taken ffs? So inside drawn horses are always Leaders? Can you not see T that your generalised posts are just utter crap, help NO ONE like you profess, better off just backing all horses drawn 7, about as useful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 26 minutes ago, barryb said: So inside drawn horses are always Leaders? Can you not see T that your generalised posts are just utter crap, help NO ONE like you profess, better off just backing all horses drawn 7, about as useful. Also, can't leaders run around the bends 3 wide or 5 wide? Barrier 7 is good. Horses starting with G and barrier 7, even better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, mardigras said: Also, can't leaders run around the bends 3 wide or 5 wide? Barrier 7 is good. Horses starting with G and barrier 7, even better. Exactly. If you are in front or on the pace do you have to stick to the paint? NOPE. Most jocks who know the inside is off start angling for the best part of the track around the final bend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 25 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Exactly. If you are in front or on the pace do you have to stick to the paint? NOPE. Most jocks who know the inside is off start angling for the best part of the track around the final bend. Why wait till the final bend? Remember the apprentice Griffen who went around Te Rapa against the outside rail ? or K Browne at Rotorua doing similar and bolting in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 hours ago, barryb said: So inside drawn horses are always Leaders? Can you not see T that your generalised posts are just utter crap, help NO ONE like you profess, better off just backing all horses drawn 7, about as useful. Seriously if I say BOO...you'd say HOO I really can't see the problem in providing factual evidence of where the best ground is...after inconsistent watering from the day before... which caused the rail to be 'OFF' Its bizarre you can't understand how some horses can become easily trapped on the rails.... ...not all Jocks are 'Billy's' and able to push out with flailing elbows Absolutely no rail on a G3 should be 'off' from the word go....If it is it's a PUNTERS RIGHT TO KNOW... Recognise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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