brad steele latest question and answer

[the galah]

harnesslink haa an article regarding mr steeles answers to questions posed by b stewart an harnesslink.

maybe its an annual thing.

anyways,whenever i read what mr steele says,and this latest is another example,i have to admire his abilty to not answer questions,but  in a way that still comes across as sounding positive.

mr steele ability to word answers in the way he does, is quite skillful.

for example, when asked if number of mares being bred the past season were up,he said .."a survey showed they were going in the right direction...conversations with studmasters were generally positive....we remain optimistic we will deliver on a much improved result on the prior year...

I mean,a simple yes or no would have been better. Wouldn't hrnz have enough information by now to just give the numbers.

personally i think he gave the answer in the final comment..optimistic for a better result than last year. My guess that means about the same or only just above last year,which of course had been a really bad year.

anyways,that man sure knows how put a good spin on whatever he wants to.

Edited yesterday at 12:36 AM by the galah

[Brodie]

59 minutes ago, the galah said:

harnesslink haa an article regarding mr steeles answers to questions posed by b stewart an harnesslink.

maybe its an annual thing.

anyways,whenever i read what mr steele says,and this latest is another example,i have to admire his abilty to not answer questions,but  in a way that still comes across as sounding positive.

mr steele ability to word answers in the way he does, is quite skillful.

for example, when asked if number of mares being bred the past season were up,he said .."a survey showed they were going in the right direction...conversations with studmasters were generally positive....we remain optimistic we will deliver on a much improved result on the prior year...

I mean,a simple yes or no would have been better. Wouldn't hrnz have enough information by now to just give the numbers.

personally i think he gave the answer in the final comment..optimistic for a better result than last year. My guess that means about the same or only just above last year,which of course had been a really bad year.

anyways,that man sure knows how put a good spin on whatever he wants to.

Lol, Galah mustve been a politician at some stage?

Really is that the best HRNZ can do, just a nothing interview ?

Surely he should be able say how many mares had been bred so far without this other BS?

Mentioned Taupo racing as a positive, but didnt mention the elephants in the room!

said more punters effectively but the cost of living is affecting turnover??
Mr Steele it is not the cost of living that is affecting turnover any more than other times!!

You allow the TAB Bookies to stop punters from wagering, you have allowed Entain/ TAB to make poor decisions in regards to several wagering decisions and Trackside production and yet you come out with this??

If they wanted turnover to be increased then it would be exceptionslly easy to do but they would rather restrict it and not encourage wagering!

HRNZ and harness participants are going to get a rude awakening shortly, as too many in the industry are scared to speak up as they will be shown the door.

 

 

[pete cook]

I'll make a prediction. Mr. Steele will stick around, talking things up until just before the Entain deal runs out, then he will say what a wonderful job he has done and go back to Australia, to leave some other poor sods to handle the fallout from the house of cards he has help create.

[Gammalite]

36 minutes ago, Brodie said:

If they wanted turnover to be increased then it would be exceptionslly easy to do but they would rather restrict it and not encourage wagering!

for the good of the nation mate. Not many families are financially secure like you and I and BOAY folk.

The more restrictions on the Gambling dollar the better off a lot more people will be. ONE in FIVE NZ families are effected by 'problem gambling' and hard times . Look after Them Mate ! help them out of that hole. 

The horses may have to race for less prizemoney eventually . but so be it !!! . Melton race tonight with some $4000 races. Our Albion races today are for $6,300 . It's just the way it is . 

AMAZINGLY for NZ , the ENTAIN mob came along and put up some dollars that has made NZ racing still very rich and Some of the best Racing on the Planet. First Class Effort by them and HRNZ to do this . Applause for that 😂

UNFORTUNATELY , for Nz trainers owners and drivers, Leap To Fame, Swayzee, Keayang Zahara, Arcee Phoenix, Gus, Kingman , Better Eclipse, Just Believe (and some other Placegetters too ) have completely MUGGED YOU of Hundreds f Thousands of those dollars the past 3 years . 

So a Bit like you blokes heading for the Soup Kitchen from BOAY in depression😋 , the Nz Trainers are packing it in as can't compete with this landslide victory. 🏆

Of course the cost of living effects turnover Brodie . Many,   like my -self even, PAY their bills first and punt later. And not as much as previously as the trainers are failing to SUPPLY runners to Bet On , that are any good😂🤣💰  

The Bright Side ? you still have the Top gun CARTER DALGETY ( and Kentuckiana) having a GO !! and bringing the double Auckland Cup Champion 'Republican Party'  to Australia to try and Mug some Back !!  give him strength.💪

 

[the galah]

1 hour ago, pete cook said:

I'll make a prediction. Mr. Steele will stick around, talking things up until just before the Entain deal runs out, then he will say what a wonderful job he has done and go back to Australia, to leave some other poor sods to handle the fallout from the house of cards he has help create.

i agree,i think a lot of people think that. I would also say matt peden will be gone as well .

what i can't understand myself is the hrnz board. They seem happy with current policy.. if the finacial stabilty of the future of the industry is truly being eroded like many think,won't the hrnz board be judged very,very harshly. We will just have to wait andsee how it plays out. Its not that far away from being revealed.

Also i think  industry stakeholders can only blame themselves if things do take a turn for the worse.

You can't help but note the big players and all the people in the media are continually selling the same positivity,all is well,everything is affordable,the industry is being well lead.

But can you trust the media. I always  use the example of mick guerin and the ATC. For several years,as the ATC finances collapsed,he ignored reporting on their true financial position,continuing to say that there was never a better time to get involved in northern harness racing,each year promoting there was never a better time for buying at north island sales ,always giving the impression auckland was doing well.

For several years on here i started topics asking why guerin was silent and why he was selling a narrative that appeared misleading.

 So i won't be that long before its revealed whether current stakes and policies are sustainable and have been wise.Time will tell.

Edited yesterday at 03:54 AM by the galah

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

for the good of the nation mate. Not many families are financially secure like you and I and BOAY folk.

The more restrictions on the Gambling dollar the better off a lot more people will be. ONE in FIVE NZ families are effected by 'problem gambling' and hard times . Look after Them Mate ! help them out of that hole. 

The horses may have to race for less prizemoney eventually . but so be it !!! . Melton race tonight with some $4000 races. Our Albion races today are for $6,300 . It's just the way it is . 

AMAZINGLY for NZ , the ENTAIN mob came along and put up some dollars that has made NZ racing still very rich and Some of the best Racing on the Planet. First Class Effort by them and HRNZ to do this . Applause for that 😂

UNFORTUNATELY , for Nz trainers owners and drivers, Leap To Fame, Swayzee, Keayang Zahara, Arcee Phoenix, Gus, Kingman , Better Eclipse, Just Believe (and some other Placegetters too ) have completely MUGGED YOU of Hundreds f Thousands of those dollars the past 3 years . 

So a Bit like you blokes heading for the Soup Kitchen from BOAY in depression😋 , the Nz Trainers are packing it in as can't compete with this landslide victory. 🏆

Of course the cost of living effects turnover Brodie . Many,   like my -self even, PAY their bills first and punt later. And not as much as previously as the trainers are failing to SUPPLY runners to Bet On , that are any good😂🤣💰  

The Bright Side ? you still have the Top gun CARTER DALGETY ( and Kentuckiana) having a GO !! and bringing the double Auckland Cup Champion 'Republican Party'  to Australia to try and Mug some Back !!  give him strength.💪

 

At the end if the day, there has to be some personal responsibility from  all of us.

If you are a poor punter do you seriously believe the TAB will restrict you?

If you can afford to wager larger amounts then why is the TAB restricting these punters?

Total hypocrisy!

Anyone know did the big meeting that Winston wanted actually happen ?

Never heard a thing??

[Nowornever]

15 minutes ago, the galah said:

matt peden will be gone as well

Will he not be trying to slime into the top job?

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Of course the cost of living effects turnover Brodie . Many,   like my -self even, PAY their bills first and punt later. And not as much as previously as the trainers are failing to SUPPLY runners to Bet On , that are any good😂🤣💰  

 

agreed.Things aren;t going to get any better for the average person in nz.

thats why Mr steele said that when things pick up,that will be reflected in increased turnovers on racing.. Things aren't going to pick up,thats just wishful thinking.But mr steele had to say that ,as it was his way of putting a positive spin on figures which weren't as positve as he had hoped.

mr steele has a mind set where he believes its in his and the industries best interests that positivity is the priority,seemingly viewing it of greater importance than reality.

He may have done well in leadership positions in the past , where he has been part of decision making which has produced good results.However he will find out in 18 months or so,that strategy will  eventually implode if  things aren't going as well as he has said they are.

You mentioned on another thread gamma about we may have a govt change in november.I always think the result of elections are always predictable enough.And i can't see any change of  govt at the next election. That won't happen.People just don't trust labour after the adern goverment,like they once did,even given  so many more are struggling with the cost of living these days.

Edited yesterday at 04:20 AM by the galah

[Rangatira]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

'problem gambling'

No problem at all for my bestie until he foolishly got himself restricted.

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, Rangatira said:

No problem at all for my bestie until he foolishly got himself restricted.

Biggest gambling problem for some is being able to get enough money on!

The AML limit of $1k is another gambling problem!

At the end of the day it is going to affect the TAB far more than Brodie 

[mikeynz]

Does Mr Steele own horses in NZ and if so in particular are they trained in the Auckland region.

[Withadream2]

6 hours ago, Gammalite said:

The horses may have to race for less prizemoney eventually . but so be it !!! . Melton race tonight with some $4000 races. Our Albion races today are for $6,300 . It's just the way it is . 

And yet the thoroughbreds race for about $20k in the outback & at least $100k at a average metropolitan meeting. 

[Gammalite]

Congrats to Brad Steele. Put on that many good races past 3 years with HRNZ running at peak performance, that many Aussie raiders have turned up to enjoy the Great prize-money and fantastic Slot races at Cambridge and Addington and of course the NZ Cup. has been some amazing years since Covid in NZ harness racing . 

A 10/10 performance by Brad and his hard working colleagues.

Of course the Cheap shots are being made on this thread against him 🤣 as he joins the pile of hated people that this forum has , and to what he might do in future years. very unappreciative lot assissination . on Yet another person Trying to keep the NZ harness racing industry going.

unlike the critics who discredit everybody  , including Brad in advance with some more unappreciative BS.  the guy is doing wonders with a struggling twilight industry , and you just can't see it .

Blinded by trolling critics all the time . open your eyes and enjoy the Great racing !!! better than this boring Tennis that's on at the moment. some spoilt millionaire brats whacking a ball over a net. and the masses clap like it's something important lol.  😂😎  

 No one in NZ can do anything right by you guys ?  HRNZ, Entain, Stipes, Programmers, Starters, North Island Harness racing participants ( which are some of the BEST on the Planet of ALL time ) yet are criticised here as nauseum for having Races put on for them to run in ?? 🙄 

you guys are totally confusing as to what you actually want in the sport? . and are naturally leading to it's demise in NZ with your LACK of SUPPORT and APPRECIATION of those putting it on. Go watch TENNIS then 🤣😂 

 

[the galah]

17 hours ago, Gammalite said:

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The horses may have to race for less prizemoney eventually . but so be it !!! . Melton race tonight with some $4000 races. Our Albion races today are for $6,300 . It's just the way it is . 

 

You've often referred to the low stakes in australia and have often commented that you think when and if that happens here,its just the way it is and if it comes to be as a resultr of the current financial management and decision making by current hrnz leadership,then sobeit. 

having said that, you also seem to have a reacurring theme of your posts,that you either a)don't seem to believe current HRNZ leadership decisions in any way influence future stake money levels or b)think better to have high stakes now and low stakes in the future,than reasonable stakes both now and in the future.

possibly a bit of both a and b

What comes across from your posts is  you place a lot of weight when judging mr steeles performance, on the current stake levels ,especially the high end ,and his support of the auckland trotting club.

 

9 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Congrats to Brad Steele. Put on that many good races past 3 years with HRNZ running at peak performance, that many Aussie raiders have turned up to enjoy the Great prize-money and fantastic Slot races at Cambridge and Addington and of course the NZ Cup. has been some amazing years since Covid in NZ harness racing . 

A 10/10 performance by Brad and his hard working colleagues.

 

 

so, you think most  on here are negative,depressed about nz harness racing,just constant knockers,etc.

well fair enough,thats your take.

all i would say ,from my own perpsective(knowing you consider me one of the most negative ones),is i have always put forward alternate ideas and visions for what i thought should be hrnz priorities and have always,in different posts given a vision of how they could be implemented.So you can say what you think about the likes ofm y posts,,but to me i am telling what i think are the truths while giving solutions.. 

you know,most on here belived that nz harness racing was thrown a lifeline by the injection of so much money from the entain deal and that  should have ensured a viable,sustainable future..  So if people think that once in a lifetime chance to resztructure and create a workable vision for the future is being squandered,then i would say you are going to get a bit of negativity.

 

Edited 13 hours ago by the galah

[Brodie]

10 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Congrats to Brad Steele. Put on that many good races past 3 years with HRNZ running at peak performance, that many Aussie raiders have turned up to enjoy the Great prize-money and fantastic Slot races at Cambridge and Addington and of course the NZ Cup. has been some amazing years since Covid in NZ harness racing . 

A 10/10 performance by Brad and his hard working colleagues.

Of course the Cheap shots are being made on this thread against him 🤣 as he joins the pile of hated people that this forum has , and to what he might do in future years. very unappreciative lot assissination . on Yet another person Trying to keep the NZ harness racing industry going.

unlike the critics who discredit everybody  , including Brad in advance with some more unappreciative BS.  the guy is doing wonders with a struggling twilight industry , and you just can't see it .

Blinded by trolling critics all the time . open your eyes and enjoy the Great racing !!! better than this boring Tennis that's on at the moment. some spoilt millionaire brats whacking a ball over a net. and the masses clap like it's something important lol.  😂😎  

 No one in NZ can do anything right by you guys ?  HRNZ, Entain, Stipes, Programmers, Starters, North Island Harness racing participants ( which are some of the BEST on the Planet of ALL time ) yet are criticised here as nauseum for having Races put on for them to run in ?? 🙄 

you guys are totally confusing as to what you actually want in the sport? . and are naturally leading to it's demise in NZ with your LACK of SUPPORT and APPRECIATION of those putting it on. Go watch TENNIS then 🤣😂 

 

Gamma, do not think there are Cheap Shots being fired at Brad Steele at all!

I believe that if you asked Canterbury based harness enthusiasts if they thought harness racing is viable in the future with the way the  Entain cash splash has been used, most would say no.

It is very easy to spend other peoples money as it is no detriment to their own finances.

Gamma, you are allowed obviously to think that the racing is great and owners and trainers are doing well at the moment due to HRNZs actions!

Personally do not think they have done a very good job at all with the opportunity they have had, but the truth of the matter will come in the next year or two as to who is right??

Due to the decisions they have made, unfortunately I believe they are going to be in a dire situation finance wise.

Entain shareholders are going go be getting 50% of the profit as far as I understand after the 5 years but am unaware of what level of funding for harness racing they have to provide?

It would only be a guess as to what the stakes are going to be in 2 years time so no point, however it is going to be significantly less than they are now!

 

 

Edited 12 hours ago by Brodie

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, the galah said:

having said that, you also seem to have a reacurring theme of your posts,that you either a)don't seem to believe current HRNZ leadership decisions in any way influence future stake money levels or b)think better to have high stakes now and low stakes in the future,than reasonable stakes both now and in the future.

You nice fellows are Constantly Worried about the Funding and how it's allocated. Over many threads.

I've just defended the ideas that have been put forward about races that the money has been used for. 

People are ATTEMPTING to put on Great racing still in hard times. Well worth my praise. 

The cheap shot referred to Brad Steele who left his homeland to help you out, and all he gets is the poor character work you guys are trying to put on him. What did you expect ? Going to say the industry is diabolical like you guys all say it is ?  well that IS Not the ANSWER I would expect . Aussies try and get on with it. and ADAPT like Chief said to Brodie he should try and do with his betting problems. He doesn't seem able to adapt unfortunately . 

You seem to agree that Seasonal Funding is allocated SEASONALLY and is used in that season . Brodie has a little trouble accepting that has to be the case. (he might be a Hoarder ? who knows ? 😁😋 ) but anyway there has been Many concepts and new races added to the Calender past 3 years with great HRNZ incentives. ALL of which I have enjoyed (for the sake of the participants mainly ) and none that the forum blokes seem to have enjoyed at all , and begrudge Auckland getting any at all . Because they are privileged ? it seems lol 🤣 Nigel won a golden Gait you know.? you should be happy for these type of amazing concepts. 

Anyway yes I do agree that the stake money will drop . Many states of Aus run at a loss but benefactors like Seymour and Garrard step up and donate funding (Seymour keeps the struggling SA trots going at this very minute ) not to mention what he does for QLD. Garrard Already Sponsors the Miracle Mile and a whole Heap of NZ races already in an attempt to keep the sport he loved at a viable level.

All good , the racing itself is going Gang busters.  As I said on another thread . Space your NZ main Problem is the Leading Trainers are just Not Producing ENOUGH Horses at the races . THEY've got very LAZY there mate. Exception being Ray Green (and co-trainer Delaney)  produced the most runners last night so Rightly WON the most races.  good on em' . showing the way . (Telfers trying hard too to keep numbers up , so good on em' too 👍🏆)

Enjoy your racing while you still have it . ( it's better than this shitty tennis stuff clogging my screen currently 😂) 

[the galah]

2 hours ago, Gammalite said:

You nice fellows are Constantly Worried about the Funding and how it's allocated. Over many threads.

 

the consistent message most are saying is simple

over inflate stakes now and thats certain to result  in cuts in stakes later.

by advocating for stakes paid to reflect funding levels as most are, means people are advocating for policies that maintain stake levels. 

I'm not sure why you infer that means most are anti harness racing.

2 hours ago, Gammalite said:

The cheap shot referred to Brad Steele who left his homeland to help you out, and all he gets is the poor character work you guys are trying to put on him. What did you expect ? Going to say the industry is diabolical like you guys all say it is ?  well that IS Not the ANSWER I would expect . Aussies try and get on with it. and ADAPT 

this thread was about mr steele's ability to give an ambiguous answer combined with words that create the impression of positivity. 

pointing out hes good at that,well thats because he is good at that. 

mr steele is a person who is in charge of making decisions that can impact the industry both negatively or positively.So when he makes decisions and statements people think are going to negatively impact the industry ,in particular prioritising some sectors over others,people are going to reference him as the person who bears responsibility for his decisions.

mr steele does have a job where he will be judged on his results,not on where he comes from or whether he remained positive or not. Positive thinking always is overtaken by  reality in the end. Thats juts how life works.

2 hours ago, Gammalite said:

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You seem to agree that Seasonal Funding is allocated SEASONALLY and is used in that season . Brodie has a little trouble accepting that has to be the case. (he might be a Hoarder ? who knows ? 😁😋 ) but anyway there has been Many concepts and new races added to the Calender past 3 years with great HRNZ incentives. ALL of which I have enjoyed (for the sake of the participants mainly ) and none that the forum blokes seem to have enjoyed at all , and begrudge Auckland getting any at all . Because they are privileged ? it seems lol 🤣 Nigel won a golden Gait you know.? you should be happy for these type of amazing concepts. 

 

thats incorrect.i rejected the argument you made ,that racing is funded annually,like a govt department,with that funding having to be spent  within that timeframe or it is  lost.. I also rejected the argument you put forward that the nz govt help fund nz racing annually.My reply to your post was that may apply in australia,i don't know whether it does or not,but i suggested if you think thats what happens in nz,then that may expalin why you make some of your comments. 

you mention the unhinged man winning a $100,000 golden gait race. The auckland club,being over $80m in debt,apparently thought it a great idea to fund the bulk of those races worth $1m on that night from club funds and add it to their debt.And you thought that is a good thing.And you also refer to the cambridge club adding over $100,000 in debt one year to their substanial debt ,by running slot races,was also a wonderful thing....oh well,your consistent.

at the end of the day,i think you and i have different ideas on the importnance of each sector. You certainly place most value on the high achievers. I place most value on the sectors that returns the most profitabilty to the industry as undermine them and you undermine the whole business structure .

We both want to see the industry prosper,just disagree on how to achieve that.

Edited 8 hours ago by the galah

[Gammalite]

3 hours ago, the galah said:

mr steele is a person who is in charge of making decisions that can impact the industry both negatively or positively.So when he makes decisions and statements people think are going to negatively impact the industry ,in particular prioritising some sectors over others,people are going to reference him as the person who bears responsibility for his decisions.

The decisions are made by the Harness racing Board. you know this. Not one man who is the figure head. 

But just as the Prime Minister gets blamed (quite wrongly too )  for any perceived 'Poor Decision' and gets the blame in Government , it is really his party that approves policy. And usually it has to be approved by the Opposition anyway to be bought into legislation. 

Are you saying the whole NZ harness racing board is Incompetant ?? 🤣  Brodie doesn't like the way they run their business . the HRNZ put races on . Participants show up . That's the business Brodie. Simple as Pie mate. Even those you criticise so much are quite capable of doing that. has happened for over 100 years. and YES , when they put on Mile races , they are much better for the horse . they recover better . 👍🤣😂😎  

3 hours ago, the galah said:

I'm not sure why you infer that means most are anti harness racing.

Why this ? Because Mr Galah there has been Infinite calls for North Island harness, ATC and whatnot,  to cease from you guys . That sure is the very definition of Anti Harness Racing to me ?? . I even had lengthy arguments here about the Plus's of the Cambridge Slot races ,and You guys didn't even want Cheap Tuesday racing at Cambridge ?? I had a few bouts of Brodie and others bagging that even , they were spending ONLY $50,000 to run a whole meeting to support your smaller players. We do it All the time around Australia . It's A GOOD thing . I support it 100%. Keeps the small GRASS ROOTS people in the sport , which I agree 😂with you is very important . As is the ATC , full of nice long term Harness racing folk over generations. Talked about on this forum like they're ferals or something 🤣

And yes the BIG guys are important too. Seymour (and NZ persons like him e.g the Stonewall guy)  are more important than anyone . Big cash buying yearlings and so on, so forth.  you know how important they are but just shoot em' down for some reason . 

So NO NEED for me to infer anything Mr Galah . You guys quite capable of  SHOW just how anti -harness or anti harness people like HRNZ, Mr Steele, anyone North Island, Stipes, Junior drivers , and Especially the Programmers and Handicapper too,   nearly every post . 

Anyway good on Brad Steele trying to keep it all going . very sad to read the bagging here. couldn't not say something , as someone should appreciate his efforts. even though it puts me in the 'Bad Books ' too. Such is Life lol 😋 

Even in trying times in Queensland , we have managed to resurrect the INTERDOMINION.  which was a traditional  time honoured Harness racing 'exclusive' event, for NZ and Aus to compete in  Thanks to people like Steele,  and David Brick and pro-active people who want to see harness racing continue , even when it is a poor betting product (for most) these days we can still get great races and racing put on. 

Now lets shoot em' because they might run out of money in 2 years time lol 😂😁 

 

  

[Rangatira]

On 30/01/2026 at 4:56 PM, Brodie said:

If you are a poor punter do you seriously believe the TAB will restrict you?

Not from general wagering but they have been known to withdraw bonus offers.

[Brodie]

22 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

The decisions are made by the Harness racing Board. you know this. Not one man who is the figure head. 

But just as the Prime Minister gets blamed (quite wrongly too )  for any perceived 'Poor Decision' and gets the blame in Government , it is really his party that approves policy. And usually it has to be approved by the Opposition anyway to be bought into legislation. 

Are you saying the whole NZ harness racing board is Incompetant ?? 🤣  Brodie doesn't like the way they run their business . the HRNZ put races on . Participants show up . That's the business Brodie. Simple as Pie mate. Even those you criticise so much are quite capable of doing that. has happened for over 100 years. and YES , when they put on Mile races , they are much better for the horse . they recover better . 👍🤣😂😎  

Why this ? Because Mr Galah there has been Infinite calls for North Island harness, ATC and whatnot,  to cease from you guys . That sure is the very definition of Anti Harness Racing to me ?? . I even had lengthy arguments here about the Plus's of the Cambridge Slot races ,and You guys didn't even want Cheap Tuesday racing at Cambridge ?? I had a few bouts of Brodie and others bagging that even , they were spending ONLY $50,000 to run a whole meeting to support your smaller players. We do it All the time around Australia . It's A GOOD thing . I support it 100%. Keeps the small GRASS ROOTS people in the sport , which I agree 😂with you is very important . As is the ATC , full of nice long term Harness racing folk over generations. Talked about on this forum like they're ferals or something 🤣

And yes the BIG guys are important too. Seymour (and NZ persons like him e.g the Stonewall guy)  are more important than anyone . Big cash buying yearlings and so on, so forth.  you know how important they are but just shoot em' down for some reason . 

So NO NEED for me to infer anything Mr Galah . You guys quite capable of  SHOW just how anti -harness or anti harness people like HRNZ, Mr Steele, anyone North Island, Stipes, Junior drivers , and Especially the Programmers and Handicapper too,   nearly every post . 

Anyway good on Brad Steele trying to keep it all going . very sad to read the bagging here. couldn't not say something , as someone should appreciate his efforts. even though it puts me in the 'Bad Books ' too. Such is Life lol 😋 

Even in trying times in Queensland , we have managed to resurrect the INTERDOMINION.  which was a traditional  time honoured Harness racing 'exclusive' event, for NZ and Aus to compete in  Thanks to people like Steele,  and David Brick and pro-active people who want to see harness racing continue , even when it is a poor betting product (for most) these days we can still get great races and racing put on. 

Now lets shoot em' because they might run out of money in 2 years time lol 😂😁 

 

  

Gamma, you are never in the bad books loo

you did hit the nail on the head with your last comment!

“they might run out of money in 2 years”.

Nothing surer than them running out of money again, even though they were given a lifeline!

Personally believe that they have acted irresponsibly and it will be shown as such!!

If We are wrong then how about someone come on to BOAY and totally dispel what we are saying, it is not hard to do that?

 

[Gammalite]

11 minutes ago, Brodie said:

you did hit the nail on the head with your last comment!

“they might run out of money in 2 years”.

Nothing surer than them running out of money again, even though they were given a lifeline!

yes , it's one of those things. You put races on they cost money. It's very hard to do Brodster. 

The Australian Turf Club in Sydney have been declared Bankrupt in December and will be lucky to survive having an administrator appointed. 

VICTORIA harness has about the same horse and personnel (participant ) numbers as New Zealand. they were over 66 million in the red , because of operating costs , and the cost of running harness racing meetings when not many bet on them anymore .

But What do you do Mate ? A lot of people are employed in different areas of Victoria. Do you just go eeny meeny minee mo ? and close some of them ? Which ones ? In NZ you say close the North Island . At least you're making your mind up I spose 🤣😂. ( I quite like the North and wouldn't do it myself but everyone's different 😉 )

Anyway the state Government have bailed the HRV out of the hole ( for a land acquisition)  for 100 million , and paying the stakes for this year and next . with the Low prizemoney they race for now. 

YES, just like NZ they will run out of money again , but the money is allocated for all the racing for the 20-30 clubs for the next 2 seasons.

If ENTAIN refuse to support you after the 2 years (as you claim) then the stakes money will  drop as you say unless they get great sponsors (like you and OZ have Garrards at the moment for example) who will prop it up a bit.  Ladbrokes (an Entain sub-branch)  still prop up QLD harness so can't see why Entain won't prop you with someone. It was a long contract they signed with NZ TAB. All will be good . they're invested mate . all good.  

They won't RUN DRY mate. Don't Panic too much. People are trying hard to put races on still . Slots help the participants contribute so that is a SURE FIRE way to keep BIG prize races going. there are other ways . I've had discussions with David Brick who did such a spectacular job keeping QLD harness racing going through COVID and very trying times financially ,And he has now been poached by the galloping code accordingly, and is now Racing Queensland General Manager . A very high position. He is full of great ideas that keep the sport going.   We'll send him over to help The Galah get an answer out of Brad Steele? . 💪 the Brick rules the world.

 

[Brodie]

39 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

yes , it's one of those things. You put races on they cost money. It's very hard to do Brodster. 

The Australian Turf Club in Sydney have been declared Bankrupt in December and will be lucky to survive having an administrator appointed. 

VICTORIA harness has about the same horse and personnel (participant ) numbers as New Zealand. they were over 66 million in the red , because of operating costs , and the cost of running harness racing meetings when not many bet on them anymore .

But What do you do Mate ? A lot of people are employed in different areas of Victoria. Do you just go eeny meeny minee mo ? and close some of them ? Which ones ? In NZ you say close the North Island . At least you're making your mind up I spose 🤣😂. ( I quite like the North and wouldn't do it myself but everyone's different 😉 )

Anyway the state Government have bailed the HRV out of the hole ( for a land acquisition)  for 100 million , and paying the stakes for this year and next . with the Low prizemoney they race for now. 

YES, just like NZ they will run out of money again , but the money is allocated for all the racing for the 20-30 clubs for the next 2 seasons.

If ENTAIN refuse to support you after the 2 years (as you claim) then the stakes money will  drop as you say unless they get great sponsors (like you and OZ have Garrards at the moment for example) who will prop it up a bit.  Ladbrokes (an Entain sub-branch)  still prop up QLD harness so can't see why Entain won't prop you with someone. It was a long contract they signed with NZ TAB. All will be good . they're invested mate . all good.  

They won't RUN DRY mate. Don't Panic too much. People are trying hard to put races on still . Slots help the participants contribute so that is a SURE FIRE way to keep BIG prize races going. there are other ways . I've had discussions with David Brick who did such a spectacular job keeping QLD harness racing going through COVID and very trying times financially ,And he has now been poached by the galloping code accordingly, and is now Racing Queensland General Manager . A very high position. He is full of great ideas that keep the sport going.   We'll send him over to help The Galah get an answer out of Brad Steele? . 💪 the Brick rules the world.

 

Gamma, the thing is they should not be racing for the stake money they currently are!!!

It should have been used far more wisely than they have and ultimately the buck stops with Brad Steele!

The stakes they have put up they just can not afford, only being paid due to the Entain cash splash.
There are going to be a helluva lot of owners and trainers give it away when they are racing for significantly what they are  currently racing for.

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Brodie

[the galah]

59 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

 

Why this ? Because Mr Galah there has been Infinite calls for North Island harness, ATC and whatnot,  to cease from you guys . That sure is the very definition of Anti Harness Racing to me ?? .Y

you didn't even want Cheap Tuesday racing at Cambridge ?. 

 

 

  

You know you've said the same above  thing many times and its getting a bit silly now.

Never once have i said i want north island harness racing or auckland racing to close.I don't think i've read where anyone has ever even  said they want that.

when someone says a business needs to restructure and run their business  in a way which consolidates their ability to continue to operate a viable,sustainable business,that does not mean they want that business to end. I would have thought it obvious its the opposite to how you always interpret it.

and i've persnally never said i don't want cheap cambridge tuesay racing.  Again,i've said the opposite,so many times.Since you've forgotten i will say it yet again. If they are to run cambridge meetings with such small fields they need to run them with lower stakes so they don't keep losing money on them. 

i have said cambrisge racing is boring,some of the driving  is questionable,that the stipes oversight is below the standard seen in the south island,that the oversight of junior drivers by the stipes is particularly poor and inconsistent,that its not a good betting product mainlyn due to small fields and will turn people off betting on harness racing,But i've never saidi wanted them not not run the lower class meetings.

again,what i have said is the stakes need reduced and those involved need to lift their game..

you didn't throw in i'm anti north island racing people like you often do. I suppose thats something this time.

and by the way,i have advocated for a policy that means stakes paid to winning and placed connections are reduced from those programmed,with the level of stakes being based on a sliding scale depending on the number of runners. i have said this should apply in the whole of nz. and that rating penalties should be adjusted to reflect if a horse wins a race with a stkae reduced because of a small field.Thats just common sense to me although i realise it will never happen as it makes too much sense.

anyways

heres my thoughts on who should run hrnz. I would replace everyone on the board and move mr steele and mr peden on.and one of the handicappers as well.

then i would put in greg o'conner in mr steeles job. And put people like ceemenow from the other channel on the board and also put the likes of mark jones and michael house into positions where they can influence decision making.I would take j mckinnon out of auckland and offer him a job where he focuses on canterbury and has no auckland input. I like the way hes fought for auckland all the way through.I would even offer to fly you over as the rep for the north island trainers and drivers as you would do your best to fight for their interests. Of course we would have brodie as a consultant as hes always on the money and get nowornever to fill in for brodie whens hes on his overseas trips. Then harness racing would prosper and get back on track.

[the galah]

16 minutes ago, the galah said:

then i would put in greg o'conner in mr steeles job. And put people like ceemenow from the other channel on the board and also put the likes of mark jones and michael house into positions where they can influence decision making.I would take j mckinnon out of auckland and offer him a job where he focuses on canterbury and has no auckland input. I like the way hes fought for auckland all the way through.I would even offer to fly you over as the rep for the north island trainers and drivers as you would do your best to fight for their interests. Of course we would have brodie as a consultant as hes always on the money and get nowornever to fill in for brodie whens hes on his overseas trips. Then harness racing would prosper and get back on track.

and i forgot to add,i would get mr unhinged to have be involved in the marketing strategies,what content appears on the hrnz website and give him a place on the board as well. 

[Gammalite]

41 minutes ago, the galah said:

You know you've said the same above  thing many times and its getting a bit silly now.

Never once have i said i want north island harness racing or auckland racing to close.I don't think i've read where anyone has ever even  said they want that.

when someone says a business needs to restructure and run their business  in a way which consolidates their ability to continue to operate a viable,sustainable business,that does not mean they want that business to end. I would have thought it obvious its the opposite to how you always interpret it.

and i've persnally never said i don't want cheap cambridge tuesay racing.  Again,i've said the opposite,so many times.Since you've forgotten i will say it yet again. If they are to run cambridge meetings with such small fields they need to run them with lower stakes so they don't keep losing money on them. 

i have said cambrisge racing is boring,some of the driving  is questionable,that the stipes oversight is below the standard seen in the south island,that the oversight of junior drivers by the stipes is particularly poor and inconsistent,that its not a good betting product mainlyn due to small fields and will turn people off betting on harness racing,But i've never saidi wanted them not not run the lower class meetings.

again,what i have said is the stakes need reduced and those involved need to lift their game..

you didn't throw in i'm anti north island racing people like you often do. I suppose thats something this time.

and by the way,i have advocated for a policy that means stakes paid to winning and placed connections are reduced from those programmed,with the level of stakes being based on a sliding scale depending on the number of runners. i have said this should apply in the whole of nz. and that rating penalties should be adjusted to reflect if a horse wins a race with a stkae reduced because of a small field.Thats just common sense to me although i realise it will never happen as it makes too much sense.

anyways

heres my thoughts on who should run hrnz. I would replace everyone on the board and move mr steele and mr peden on.and one of the handicappers as well.

then i would put in greg o'conner in mr steeles job. And put people like ceemenow from the other channel on the board and also put the likes of mark jones and michael house into positions where they can influence decision making.I would take j mckinnon out of auckland and offer him a job where he focuses on canterbury and has no auckland input. I like the way hes fought for auckland all the way through.I would even offer to fly you over as the rep for the north island trainers and drivers as you would do your best to fight for their interests. Of course we would have brodie as a consultant as hes always on the money and get nowornever to fill in for brodie whens hes on his overseas trips. Then harness racing would prosper and get back on track.

Haha you're taking it all too personally now. I've already said I had the cheap Tuesdays arguement with others. not yourself as such. And this site has many that have lampooned Auckland. I've replied to that many idiots worrying about 6 horse fields instead of the Great HORSEMEN contained in them that it's very frustrating to me . That so many can't enjoy seeing their champions of the sport go round.  If you were NOT one of them , Good for you Mr Galah !! 👍🏆 you should back me up and fight the good fight for the great ATC then? there's a few here who think they're just the elite and getting too much money ? not you then ? 😉😁😎 I like em' anyway. I do know a lot of them personally and they are Fantastic people . (sadly no-one from the South Island so am completely biased lol ) 

CeeMeNow is an absolute joke who just counts starters in a view to belittle the sport.   and has no interest in the participants well- being whatsoever, in any shape or form. He would be having kittens with the many  7 horse fields tonight at Cranbourne , as thinks that the end of the world lol 🤣  the fact they contain 6-7 of the best horses in Australasia tonight wouldn't even cross his mind. and I think that field size is just the bee's knees as they ALL get a chance to win ,  and it's great clean racing . the best horse Will win without relying on luck. excellent stuff. 

Have to go now as got to cook dinner🍇. and the amazing horses at Cranbourne are about to go !! will be great. 

might try the fab NZ mare  Captains Mistress NZ- Leap To Fame QLD- Forty Love treble at 15-1 odds for a $50 . 

Demon Blue is in tonight too. Got nothing much at all for Purdons there in NZ , and Dixon here QLD last year. Now the horse is winning for Grimson  lol 🤣  that guy so good?  surely it's not winning a Group 3 though ? lol.