Hey Chief…. Views on Damask Rose?

[Chief Stipe]

37 minutes ago, curious said:

Do you mean this? it's a pretty small difference isn't it?

 

From the 6:00 AM raceday inspection, the following values were recorded:

• Inside: 9.0
• Outside: 8.6
• Shear: 11.3
• Moisture: 35%

7% isn't it?  Isn'r that significant?

[curious]

5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

7% isn't it?  Isn't that significant?

What does that equate to in race time? I didn't see any races from there which is why I asked. I knew from those readings that it was likely to be marginally better on the inside.

[Chief Stipe]

6 minutes ago, curious said:

What does that equate to in race time? I didn't see any races from there which is why I asked. I knew from those readings that it was likely to be marginally better on the inside.

They essentially all won on pace and on the inside.  The OZ commentors (which I rate)  explained Damask Rose's odds lengthening from $4.4 to over $6 was due to the prevailng pattern working against her draw and racing style.  Under the circumstances her run had a lot of merit.  Especially when she was 3 wide albeit with cover for most of the race and wider on entering the straight.

In the Newmarket it was noticeable they didn't split and all tried to get to the inner.

[curious]

From what I can see for the 4 straight sprints, 3 were won on the outside, only the Newmarket on the inside?

[Chief Stipe]

34 minutes ago, curious said:

From what I can see for the 4 straight sprints, 3 were won on the outside, only the Newmarket on the inside?

Ok so now you are looking at the races you didn't see yesterday.  Go back and look at those sprinr races.  Compared to the Newmarket they were small fields.  The barriers that the horses started from were in the middle of the lane i.e. there was an even number of empty gates each side of the track.  Over 1000 and 1100m a Jockey in a small field would be brain dead to go more distance to get to the inside.

The Newmarket was a large field spread across the track. After 100 to 200m they all went to the inside.

[curious]

6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Ok so now you are looking at the races you didn't see yesterday.  Go back and look at those sprinr races.  Compared to the Newmarket they were small fields.  The barriers that the horses started from were in the middle of the lane i.e. there was an even number of empty gates each side of the track.  Over 1000 and 1100m a Jockey in a small field would be brain dead to go more distance to get to the inside.

The Newmarket was a large field spread across the track. After 100 to 200m they all went to the inside.

That maybe. I'm not disagreeing necessarily but it seems that concluding the pattern favoured the inside prior to the Newmarket is a bit of a leap.

[Chief Stipe]

11 minutes ago, curious said:

That maybe. I'm not disagreeing necessarily but it seems that concluding the pattern favoured the inside prior to the Newmarket is a bit of a leap.

Look at races 4, 5, 6, and 7.  Plus 8.

When they got to the Newmarket the Jockeys weren't keen on staying out wide.  That could have been a collective mindset.  It created a logjam.

Regardless I first made the comment in respect of Damask Rose's chances.  It did put me off Tentyris.

[curious]

The track drying out during the course of the day may have been a factor too.

[Huey]

15 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

@Huey I don't recall you ever posting any tips just boring negativity.  No one likes a grumpy old man sadly.  Why don't you line up for your nightly tot of rum and let the rest of us enjoy racing.?!

Once again a good horse beaten by the track.  Inside was the place to be all day today at Flemington.

Read back in the thread, I tipped the winner, before it ran and without bringing up nonsense about sectionals,  what are you the Bride of Aidan Rodley or something?

[Newmarket]

16 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

I bet there are questions asked about the track bias at Flemington today.

Well… i have to agree with you there. Did favour those on pace, so those making ground did ok, even the Rose. 

[Chief Stipe]

“Damask Rose just missed getting up over 1600m at Flemington on Saturday and she’ll run next in the Sunline Stakes (Gr.2, 1600m) at Caulfield on Saturday week."

[Newmarket]

On 10/03/2026 at 8:36 AM, Chief Stipe said:

“Damask Rose just missed getting up over 1600m at Flemington on Saturday and she’ll run next in the Sunline Stakes (Gr.2, 1600m) at Caulfield on Saturday week."

Thats good to know… we can discuss again

[Chief Stipe]

On 23/02/2026 at 4:00 PM, Chief Stipe said:

I see the beached cannine @Comic Dog the self judged more learned and knowledgeable online commentators have needed to go talk to a horse valuer to challenge my assessment that Damask Rose is probably worth around $1.5m+ (NZD!) as a broodmare at this stage of her career.  Valuing any bloodstock is a subjective exercise and only an auction gives the true market value. 

But having followed the Magic Millions National Broodmare Sale for a number of years I would say my analysis was close to the mark.  You only have to look through the sales results to see broodmares sold around the AUD$1.3m mark that have done far less on the racecourse to say that contrary to one persons view if Damask Rose sold for AUD$500k you would be quite disappointed.  Some people should really graduate from reading comics and watching cartoons!

https://catalogue.magicmillions.com.au/sale/25GWM

Just for the @Comic Dog - NOTE - I didn't say $2m - I said around $1.5m.  BTW that was my opinion i.e. I didn't "ring a couple of valuers" as you did to form your opinion.

[curious]

4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

  BTW that was my opinion i.e. I didn't "ring a couple of valuers" as you did to form your opinion.

I didn't think there was a right way and a wrong way to form an opinion, though some can be more informed than others. However, I guess that's jmo.

[Chief Stipe]

8 hours ago, curious said:

I didn't think there was a right way and a wrong way to form an opinion, though some can be more informed than others. However, I guess that's jmo.

 

Well there are lazy ways most often taken by the intellectually challenged.  Is someone elses opinon repeated your opinion or theirs?  Who's in whose head? 

1. The person who feels they need to comment on an opinion from another site because they have an inferiority complex and need to put people or stables down?https://bitofayarn.com
2. Or the person who is asked for an opinion - gives one and then justifies it with the analysis they used to derive that opinion. 

The lazy one is so motivated to prove someone wrong that they feel they need to "ring a couple of valuers" to get an opinon.  Nameless valuers at that.  For a horse that the lazy one has no interest in and is adamant it is "only average and not up to Group level in OZ".  I can think of over $2m+ reasons why I wouldn't mind a share in it and that's not counting its residual value!https://bitofayarn.com

@Comic Dog

[Murray Fish]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

"only average and not up to Group level in OZ".

sigh... 

there were a couple of nice ways to get ahead betting on her, via Show,  twice in last 4 starts, a profit made by doing so.

Just spent some time looking over her first campaign over the ditch! A very challenging task was asked for such a young inexperienced Mare!  Team Orange have a history of improving maturing mares!

May there still be blooming roses to be had!!

[Shab]

8 hours ago, Murray Fish said:

Orange

Tangerine 

[Murray Fish]

1 hour ago, Shab said:

Tangerine v orange

Ah, my sincere apologies! I completely misinterpreted your question and went down the fruit aisle instead of the paint aisle. That's a fascinating and subtle question. Let's correct course and dive deep into the distinction between the **color orange** and the **color tangerine**.

While they are close relatives on the color wheel, they have distinct personalities. The difference boils down to a fundamental color property: **tone**.

Here is a detailed breakdown of the color orange vs. the color tangerine.

| Feature | The Color Orange | The Color Tangerine |
| :--- | :--- | :--- |
| **Color Family** | A primary color in pigment, a secondary color in light. | A tertiary color, a specific shade *within* the orange family. |
| **Primary Hue** | A balanced, pure mix of red and yellow. | Leans significantly more towards **yellow** than red. |
| **Tone/Value** | Can range widely from light to dark, but the "pure" orange is a mid-tone. | Inherently **bright, light, and vivid**. It's a high-energy, saturated color. |
| **Associations** | Warmth, energy, caution, autumn, fire. | Zest, freshness, sweetness, tropical fruit, summer, vitality. |

### 🎨 The Deep Dive: Understanding the Nuance

To truly see the difference, we need to look at the specific ingredients that make up the color.

**The Foundation: What is Orange?**
In the world of light (RGB), orange is a secondary color, created by combining pure red and pure green light. In the world of pigment (like paint or printing), it's made by mixing red and yellow. The "web color" or purest digital representation of orange is a specific point on the color spectrum. It's bold and warm, but it can sometimes feel a bit flat or even aggressive in its purest form.

**The Variation: What is Tangerine?**
Tangerine takes the basic formula for orange and modifies it. It's essentially a **yellow-orange**. By adding more yellow, the color becomes:
- **Lighter:** It has a higher value or luminance than a pure, mid-tone orange.
- **Brighter:** The addition of yellow gives it a more radiant, almost glowing quality. It's less "earthy" and more "electric."
- **Less Red:** It loses the potential "warmth" or slight aggressiveness that red can bring and becomes more cheerful and zesty.

### 👁️ How to Tell Them Apart

If you're looking at two swatches side-by-side, here are the best ways to spot the difference:

1.  **The Color Wheel Test:** On a standard color wheel, find pure orange. Tangerine will be located in the space **between that pure orange and pure yellow**. It's closer to yellow than to red.

2.  **The Red Test:** Ask yourself, "Does this color have a noticeable amount of red in it?"
    - **Orange:** A pure orange has a balanced red component. It's a true, unwavering orange. Think of a safety cone or a pumpkin.
    - **Tangerine:** The red is dialed back. It's a much "cleaner," less complex color. Think of the vibrant, glossy skin of the fruit it's named after.

3.  **The Comparison Test:** Compare them to other familiar shades.
    - Tangerine is lighter and more yellow than a standard **orange**.
    - Tangerine is lighter and less red than **vermilion** or **red-orange**.
    - Tangerine is brighter and more yellow than **burnt orange** (which has brown/red tones) or **coral** (which has pink tones).

### 💻 The Digital Difference (RGB & Hex Codes)

In the digital world, the difference is precise. These values represent one common interpretation of each color.

- **Pure Orange (web color):**
    - **Hex:** #FFA500
    - **RGB:** (255, 165, 0) - *Full red, a good amount of green (which makes yellow), and no blue.*

- **Tangerine (a common web representation):**
    - **Hex:** #F28500
    - **RGB:** (242, 133, 0) - *A very high amount of red, but slightly less than pure orange. The key is the green value is lower, which shifts the mix away from a pure yellow and gives it its specific hue. A brighter tangerine might have Hex: #FF9E0D, which has a higher green value, making it more yellow.*

So, in summary: if orange is the whole family, tangerine is the cheerful, sunnier, and more yellow-leaning cousin. It's orange with the volume turned up on brightness and yellow.

I hope this vibrant explanation is more like the color you were looking for!