The new normal for Manawatu harness racing.

[mikeynz]

6 races seems to be about as good as it's going to get, House has only 6 racing this week, still a good number of locals to keep them going, just as well, you do wonder if it's financially viable sending a trackside crew out to these places for 6 races, I think the dogs are on same day but they finish soon......Cambridge don't need 6 race cards, just one meet up north will mostly suffice, Gamma always says you need these small meetings for the small time trainers but you can easily schedule races to cater for them as well, even if only one day a week, 13 or so races ain't that awkward, it cuts down travel cost as well, when considering the one day a week scenario makes sense to have one track only, and I suggest Cambridge , going the right way around is at least a step in right direction.

[Newmarket]

Yeah, be interesting once dogs finished how these dual code meetings survive. 

[PeterLambFan]

2 hours ago, Newmarket said:

Yeah, be interesting once dogs finished how these dual code meetings survive. 

You’d suspect in the case of Manawatu it won’t survive. 

[Brodie]

Would be good to hear more from the CEO of HRNZ as to how harness is going financially at the moment!

Would also be good to hear from him about how he sees things in 2 years time when Entain pulls the plug on subsidising harness racing!

Watched a video at the weekend and a well known trainer saying how well things are going for harness since Entain got involved!

It is very hard to understand how so many believe that harness racing is going to continue to function the way it is?

These people clearly have very little financial literacy unless they can explain to us where the money is going to be coming from when the cash splash finishes?

The North Island racing is clearly stuffed and can not continue to prop it up the way they are doing, but hey everything is positive? 
 

[Nowornever]

3 hours ago, Brodie said:

Watched a video at the weekend and a well known trainer saying how well things are going for harness since Entain got involved!

Would have to be a trainer supported by some big owners to be saying that. Someone winning the bigger money races would be loving it.

Anyone at grass roots level or hobby trainers with no money behind them would not be saying that.

Edited Sunday at 11:04 PM by Nowornever

[mikeynz]

6 minutes ago, Nowornever said:

Would have to be a trainer supported by some big owners to be saying that. Someone winning the bigger money races would be loving it.

Anyone at grass roots level or hobby trainers with no money behind them would not be saying that.

No doubt, some sitting at the top of the pyramid in harness will be doing  extremely well at present, never probably been so good,  great  stakes with tiny fields, get it while it's there, 

[Spatchcock]

4 hours ago, Brodie said:

Would be good to hear more from the CEO of HRNZ as to how harness is going financially at the moment!

Would also be good to hear from him about how he sees things in 2 years time when Entain pulls the plug on subsidising harness racing!

Watched a video at the weekend and a well known trainer saying how well things are going for harness since Entain got involved!

It is very hard to understand how so many believe that harness racing is going to continue to function the way it is?

These people clearly have very little financial literacy unless they can explain to us where the money is going to be coming from when the cash splash finishes?

The North Island racing is clearly stuffed and can not continue to prop it up the way they are doing, but hey everything is positive? 
 

Brodie,

Serious question... do you have any skin in the game? 

[the galah]

brodie,as far as trainers saying how well things are going.

Its people preferring to live in the present and judging things on how they,themselves are currently being impacted by how hrnz is  currently running things.

For example,if they are trying to get owners interested in yearlings they may have recently purchased at the sales,being a good saleman and highlighting the positive aspects of what your selling,is necessary,so they focus on the current high stakes a a positive and chose to ignore all the other indicators of the industries health.

Another factor is these high end,high profile trainers are dealing each day with a lot of stresses and worries that come with running bigger stables. So theres a degree of,i've got enough stresses running my stable as it is,i don't need to overcomplicate things further by taking on board the stresses of having to think about things outside their wheelhouse.

and even if they did take a look around them and conclude current hrnz leadership is squandering a once in a lifetime chance to ensure the future of the sport,well if they were to express those views publically, that would get them offside with the prople running the industry,the very same people who are currently prioritsing the self interests of the high end people,of which they are one. So in effect,these high end trainers are never going to advaocate for policies that will impact them and their client base. Its just the way human nature works. After all,its a cut throat world and people  have to fight for whats best for themselves,so thats also part of why the high end trainers and owners are happy to take a head in the sand approach.

so really its just self interest driving how some people who appear to ignoring reality.Its people with a stake in the game playing their cards to their own benefit.Its just the way the world and people work.Its understandable,its not because they aren't smart,but at the end these people who are supposed to be smart a playing a game that may see them negatively impacted most long term.And thats not that smart.

But life really is never black and white,its always shades of grey and the nz harness industry is no different.

 

Edited yesterday at 12:14 AM by the galah

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Spatchcock said:

Brodie,

Serious question... do you have any skin in the game? 

that question implies you think that is relevant in a certain way.

well,yes i believe its relevant,but not in the way you imply.

ask yourself this

who's opinion should one listen to and value..

A)someone who understands how the industry works and is run ,who has no self interest at stake and who promotes what they belive is best for the overall industries health.

or

B)someone who understands how the industry works and is run,but who promotes policies that benefit their own self interests or prioritises the interests of certain groups within the industry .

clealy the answer is a no brainer. Its A.

so the point is,the having skin in the game argument is just a deflection.

 

Edited yesterday at 12:49 AM by the galah

[Gammalite]

5 hours ago, Brodie said:

Watched a video at the weekend and a well known trainer saying how well things are going for harness since Entain got involved!

It is very hard to understand how so many believe that harness racing is going to continue to function the way it is?

Absolutely Brodster. You are on the money having respect for Entain for a change. 

And yes Changes happen , and the function changes bit by bit as improvements made all the time.

HRNZ and harness racing participants can rejoice that Entain stepped in (when they didn't have to as is a poor betting product ) but wanted to help out . As their Subsidary LADBROKES has in queesland saving the day for us too . and allowing us to produce great horses like Leap To Fame and GUS that have been crushing it in NZ lately. 

As The Galah has told you ENTAIN/Ladbrokes make their most money from SPORTS Betting. and a bit on thoroughbreds , esp places like the crazy rich Asians on the Hong Kong races and things like that.

Chief has told you how many Billions ENTAIN have. they even have 100,000,000 set aside Chief has told me, to  Pay their Money laundering fine if it comes to that out of the courts. Water off a ducks back.

Their Contributuion is being lapped up by the NZ harness racing world (and QLD too via Ladbrokes) to have some of the best racing ever seen , by some of the fastest horses ever to wear a bridle, by the BEST Trainers on the Planet. 

North Island NOT STUFFED yet old sport. hang tuff mate. Barry still winning races after all these decades and been one of the best in the world , along with brother Mark and brother-in -law Tony. Clearly the best around lol 👍🏆😉

Rejoice and be grateful we can still see the marvelous horsemen go round , and try and match the Aussies . 

How good is NZ harness going? Fabulous . Cambridge on soon .. TAB trot and The race by BETCHA . how good ?? wait to you see the next Queenslander Brodster. Named THE JANITOR. he is gunna Blow your socks off old boy. 💪💰🏆😁

NZ harness never been better. The last 2 Cup weeks have been staggeringly good at Addington . with the Velocity and The Ascent. You got to see Leap To Fame and Keayang Zahara. 2 of the best ever. 

How Privaliged are we lately ?? just amazing what HRNZ are doing . What amazing people to put this entertainment on. 

 

[Nowornever]

51 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

How Privaliged are we lately ?? just amazing what HRNZ are doing . What amazing people to put this entertainment on. 

I think we need to separate excitement from reality here. Celebrating the headline nights while ignoring grassroots pressure, shrinking depth in some regions, and long term participation challenges is short sighted.

The conversation shouldn’t be “isn’t this amazing?” It should be “is this sustainable?”

Enjoy the good racing, absolutely. But let’s not pretend everything is bulletproof just because the top end looks shiny.

When an industry becomes heavily reliant on one commercial partner, that’s not dominance, that’s dependency. If priorities shift, what then?

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Nowornever said:

I think we need to separate excitement from reality here. Celebrating the headline nights while ignoring grassroots pressure, shrinking depth in some regions, and long term participation challenges is short sighted.

The conversation shouldn’t be “isn’t this amazing?” It should be “is this sustainable?”

Enjoy the good racing, absolutely. But let’s not pretend everything is bulletproof just because the top end looks shiny.

When an industry becomes heavily reliant on one commercial partner, that’s not dominance, that’s dependency. If priorities shift, what then?

Plenty of excitement still for the grass roots participants.

As far as I can see , NZ is still running meetings every Sunday , and the Manawatu Club are still racing ,  Southland seem to have plenty of meetings.?? Is hard to follow them all with there being so many. 

Indeed The Galah commented on the extra money that was put in to Southland last season  , and Mikey thinks there is too many meetings already midweek (at Waikato and places lie that)  . so how is that HRNZ Not looking after the grass roots pressure you strive for ?  overdoing it according to these blokes ? 

In fact your Metro Friday clubs run MAIDEN races at most meetings ? never did that much in the past . But it does give,  your so-called 'poor trainers' that train bugger All winners can have a go in the city at that even if they want too. Won't get anything against Telfers, Purdons , Green, Kentuckiana  and that though. so better to stay in own class. 

So I say it's better to have REGULAR (52 weeks a year) midweek meet at Cambridge (and/or Southland) that would Encourage the small players (with a smaller team of horses)  to make a living , and regularly participate. Just like Queensland and Victoria and NSW do quite successfully. there's a race for every horse , every week available. that's Important

HRNZ are getting close to achieving  it as well. so are doing the best they can with the amount of participants left running. Good Luck to em ' 🏆

YES = racing horse numbers have dropped everywhere. Because the Costs are very high to run a horse these days , so if you're NOT making a living out of it , and it was just a hobby, might as well do something else these days  . like me and Brodie and Galah and Chief  . Go and play golf or something 😁  . or get a small Te Akau share in a horse lol . they are still popular  😂😂   

[Brodie]

5 hours ago, Spatchcock said:

Brodie,

Serious question... do you have any skin in the game? 

Spatchcock, less by the day!

No I dont have earn a living from harness racing!

I do have  major concerns for those that do though!

 

 

[Brodie]

5 hours ago, Gammalite said:

Plenty of excitement still for the grass roots participants.

As far as I can see , NZ is still running meetings every Sunday , and the Manawatu Club are still racing ,  Southland seem to have plenty of meetings.?? Is hard to follow them all with there being so many. 

Indeed The Galah commented on the extra money that was put in to Southland last season  , and Mikey thinks there is too many meetings already midweek (at Waikato and places lie that)  . so how is that HRNZ Not looking after the grass roots pressure you strive for ?  overdoing it according to these blokes ? 

In fact your Metro Friday clubs run MAIDEN races at most meetings ? never did that much in the past . But it does give,  your so-called 'poor trainers' that train bugger All winners can have a go in the city at that even if they want too. Won't get anything against Telfers, Purdons , Green, Kentuckiana  and that though. so better to stay in own class. 

So I say it's better to have REGULAR (52 weeks a year) midweek meet at Cambridge (and/or Southland) that would Encourage the small players (with a smaller team of horses)  to make a living , and regularly participate. Just like Queensland and Victoria and NSW do quite successfully. there's a race for every horse , every week available. that's Important

HRNZ are getting close to achieving  it as well. so are doing the best they can with the amount of participants left running. Good Luck to em ' 🏆

YES = racing horse numbers have dropped everywhere. Because the Costs are very high to run a horse these days , so if you're NOT making a living out of it , and it was just a hobby, might as well do something else these days  . like me and Brodie and Galah and Chief  . Go and play golf or something 😁  . or get a small Te Akau share in a horse lol . they are still popular  😂😂   

Gamma, Cambridge Club is broke as!

Garrick Knight wrote an article on Cambridge and effectively they are totally in the shite if HRNZ doesnt but land from it!

They have a loan to HRNZ fir a million that they can not repay as they havent got the money as the cupboard is bare as they are losing money!

They owe 500k in tax that they can not pay.

Andrew Neal took over from David Branch who majorly stuffed up when he came back from Queensland sats things are dire, just as we knew!

The club put mega dollars into the Stupid Slot Races which was always unnecessary and without s bailout from HRNZ  they will not be able to continue to race!

Auckland is just a cot case and they will eventually fold as they have not got the ability to trade out!

You are saying HRNZ are doing a great job, they actually are totally out of their depth unfortunately and need to go under control of people with business acumen.

It is a very sad state of affairs in the North island and sugar soaping the predicament thst it is in, just will not cut the mustard!

There is no one in NZ stupid enough to contribute mega millions to salvage racing once Entain stops contributing, unless Kevin Seymour or Boots are keen??

 

[Gammalite]

1 hour ago, Brodie said:

You are saying HRNZ are doing a great job, they actually are totally out of their depth unfortunately and need to go under control of people with business acumen.

All sorts of Sporting clubs run in debt Brodie . 

But they don't just give up like you do .  Things are expensive to run these days.

Barcelona and Real Madrid and Manchester United FC's , The BIGGEST Football clubs in the world that are hugely popular and followed by millions around the planet. and all 3 have debts over a Billion dollars.

Close em' down you reckon  ? would be the Brodie way lol.  and just support grass roots football clubs for mugs ? the world doesn't work like that mate.  

The  AFL clubs are hugely popular here but the only reason they stay afloat and are not in debt as well, is the Pokies at their club Social rooms that generate enough for them to pay the staff and participants of their clubs/sports

It's hard to make money as a sports club Brodie.

ENTAIN make money from betting around the world and prop up what ever sports they see fit. They helped NZ harness , and will probably continue to do so . the amount it costs them is very small . Ladbrokes helps run races in Queensland . Now we can run the Interdominion for 3 years. excellent ! and all the hacks can race weekly too. 

You say silly slot races at Cambridge. 🙄 One of the very best things to happen for the sport in recent years, and yet you are Sure to shoot it down as usual . the Club or HRNZ has to put in 150 to 200k to run it ? 

to have the Best horses in the Southern Hemisphere attend ? .  a measley small amount like that?  to have that major event .  What Brilliance programming to promote the sport and have people (with money ) diving around searching for the next winner of it . and syndicate people too.  Enormous progress for the Industry. 

South Islanders aren't Dumb. well most aren't anyway . as They saw how Good this is at Cambridge, and Copied for NZ Cup week to have the 'Velocity' and the 'Ascent' to support the young 3 year old Pacers and trotters as well in Fabulous slot races  . Kiwi Ingenuity Mate !!! 

well done HRNZ . supreme racing with Supreme horses attending in 2 places now.

Brodie can keep crying about the 200k they had to spend to achieve this awesome feat . Which is the Bargain of the Century and you can't even see it lol 🤣. But most will be saying How Good is Our Sport with these horses assembling. 

Don't forget my tip for ya too. THE JANITOR is coming to Cambridge . Buy a ticket and go and see him mate . You might get a quid lol  and enjoy yourself for a change . if you open your curtains from being in the dark all the time 😂💰

 

[Brodie]

7 hours ago, Gammalite said:

All sorts of Sporting clubs run in debt Brodie . 

But they don't just give up like you do .  Things are expensive to run these days.

Barcelona and Real Madrid and Manchester United FC's , The BIGGEST Football clubs in the world that are hugely popular and followed by millions around the planet. and all 3 have debts over a Billion dollars.

Close em' down you reckon  ? would be the Brodie way lol.  and just support grass roots football clubs for mugs ? the world doesn't work like that mate.  

The  AFL clubs are hugely popular here but the only reason they stay afloat and are not in debt as well, is the Pokies at their club Social rooms that generate enough for them to pay the staff and participants of their clubs/sports

It's hard to make money as a sports club Brodie.

ENTAIN make money from betting around the world and prop up what ever sports they see fit. They helped NZ harness , and will probably continue to do so . the amount it costs them is very small . Ladbrokes helps run races in Queensland . Now we can run the Interdominion for 3 years. excellent ! and all the hacks can race weekly too. 

You say silly slot races at Cambridge. 🙄 One of the very best things to happen for the sport in recent years, and yet you are Sure to shoot it down as usual . the Club or HRNZ has to put in 150 to 200k to run it ? 

to have the Best horses in the Southern Hemisphere attend ? .  a measley small amount like that?  to have that major event .  What Brilliance programming to promote the sport and have people (with money ) diving around searching for the next winner of it . and syndicate people too.  Enormous progress for the Industry. 

South Islanders aren't Dumb. well most aren't anyway . as They saw how Good this is at Cambridge, and Copied for NZ Cup week to have the 'Velocity' and the 'Ascent' to support the young 3 year old Pacers and trotters as well in Fabulous slot races  . Kiwi Ingenuity Mate !!! 

well done HRNZ . supreme racing with Supreme horses attending in 2 places now.

Brodie can keep crying about the 200k they had to spend to achieve this awesome feat . Which is the Bargain of the Century and you can't even see it lol 🤣. But most will be saying How Good is Our Sport with these horses assembling. 

Don't forget my tip for ya too. THE JANITOR is coming to Cambridge . Buy a ticket and go and see him mate . You might get a quid lol  and enjoy yourself for a change . if you open your curtains from being in the dark all the time 😂💰

 

Gamma, ask Andrew Neal what he thinks of David Branch blowing hundreds of thousands on “The Race” and putting the Cambridge harness racing in jeopardy?

Going to be very interesting to see if HRNZ gets the approval to buy the land off Cambridge, they probably will though!

The thing is it will only be putting a bandage over a festering wound unfortunately!

It is good to have positivity Gamma about the future of harness racing in NZ, however the realism of the plight that the North Island is in, will play out in the future unfortunately.

 

[mikeynz]

I think gammas got it wrong with regards to some sporting organisations running on debt, many football clubs overseas are owned by tycoons and having a football club is just a plaything for them, most sporting organisation's have to profit or their gone, Rugby and league clubs in UK often fold and remember NZ is only a small place, Australia got rid of the Melbourne Rebels, Otago Rugby faced insolvency once, hard to believe, got bailed out but I honestly can't see how Auckland Harness can keep going, it's only a matter of time, Cambridge, don't know anything about them but if their was or is to be a bailout where is it coming from?...no good running to Winston, the galloping guys conned him with their AWT money, he gave money in good faith but all we seem to get is negativity, 30 mill, lot of money, 

Sure Auckland were unfortunate that their great scheme came undone, happens just like many of the rogues in the property business, but shit happens.

[Brodie]

34 minutes ago, mikeynz said:

I think gammas got it wrong with regards to some sporting organisations running on debt, many football clubs overseas are owned by tycoons and having a football club is just a plaything for them, most sporting organisation's have to profit or their gone, Rugby and league clubs in UK often fold and remember NZ is only a small place, Australia got rid of the Melbourne Rebels, Otago Rugby faced insolvency once, hard to believe, got bailed out but I honestly can't see how Auckland Harness can keep going, it's only a matter of time, Cambridge, don't know anything about them but if their was or is to be a bailout where is it coming from?...no good running to Winston, the galloping guys conned him with their AWT money, he gave money in good faith but all we seem to get is negativity, 30 mill, lot of money, 

Sure Auckland were unfortunate that their great scheme came undone, happens just like many of the rogues in the property business, but shit happens.

Reality is that HRNZ is not in any financial position to be bailing anyone out from what I have heard?

Reserves they had have been spent and they are surviving off the Entain cash splash?

If Brodie is wrong on this, I challenge  anyone to come on BOAY and deny this!

HRNZ really do need to come out and state what the plan is for harness racing now and in the future!

[Gammalite]

7 hours ago, mikeynz said:

I think gammas got it wrong with regards to some sporting organisations running on debt, many football clubs overseas are owned by tycoons and having a football club is just a plaything for them, most sporting organisation's have to profit or their gone, Rugby and league clubs in UK often fold and remember NZ is only a small place, Australia got rid of the Melbourne Rebels, Otago Rugby faced insolvency once, hard to believe, got bailed out but I honestly can't see how Auckland Harness can keep going, it's only a matter of time, Cambridge, don't know anything about them but if their was or is to be a bailout where is it coming from?...no good running to Winston, the galloping guys conned him with their AWT money, he gave money in good faith but all we seem to get is negativity, 30 mill, lot of money, 

Sure Auckland were unfortunate that their great scheme came undone, happens just like many of the rogues in the property business, but shit happens.

I doubt I have it wrong as you say ,  the cost of anything these days is a strain on organisations of all types. That many pony clubs folded around here it made me near cry. Insurance is a huge cost these days for Sporting groups and social clubs of all kinds.  Trotting clubs really feel it too , as have large premises. 

There's a lot of detail in running a club. for any sport. 

The Australian Turf Club Sydney went bust , even with running expensive thoroughbreds racing . Racing usually does much better than harness , as is 10 times more popular. 

  I thought people on forums are/were supposed to be Harness racing fans ?, but offer No support to the sport . On this site anyway.  Thankfully ENTAIN did for NZ and QLD harness racing, BUT you all get stuck in to them as a bad business decision ???? . hahahaha that's so ironic it's funny. And then the way the HRNZ have supported All the clubs is tremendous with the Entain funding. you blokes ONLY want to support some of the clubs. (and hardly any of the New races and concepts put in place the last 3 years.) 

Fancy thinking you all have the right to Allocate the funding as You see fit when it's been the job of HRNZ for over hundred years? . They know what they're doing. But keep picking on em' . The racing is better than ever. We even had driver Slot races at Albion last weekend . twas brilliant stuff innovations for plenty of people to enjoy something different. Brodie and Galah would pick it to pieces though as someone had to put up some money for a slot lol 🤣

Thankfully in OZ people make moves to keep the harness racing going, (Seymour sponsors SA trotting to keep them going for example) (Vic State Government bought land of HRV to prop them up from a $66,000,000 debt.) Entain have done the same in NZ but this forum site doesn't appreciate a company worth over 3 billion dollars helping.😂🤣 bite the God's hand that helps them lol. Using punting dollars they made too. so what goes round comes round. 

. Of course we want the rich Participants to do ok as in getting winners. BECAUSE They pour in the Most money to breeding and yearling sales. Seymour and Mick BOOTs with 300 horses plus each doing a tremendous job (Like Stonewall there I guess as the equal of that effort) so plenty of staff , breeders and trotting clubs benefit. Excellent stuff and never been at this Racing level before . Too high up for you blokes . probably why all the angst. 

 Harness Racing is obviously running very light on the punting dollar everywhere. Not just because it's a very poor betting sport (things galloping out the back taking peoples money with them for example) , but Pokies reign supreme for the average gambler and returns are instant. also animal welfare is a 'thing' these days. My very own 2 children wouldn't support horse racing even though I love it. there's also the 'State of the nation's economy' for people too.  There's simply better things to spend on , like your bills,  rent or mortgage lol 😋 . people love all the cruises and things like that these days for recreational dollar spending. They're smart and will take a holiday rather than waste hundreds on silly horses . that may or may not be even trying lol 😅

 

 

 

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

I doubt I have it wrong as you say ,  the cost of anything these days is a strain on organisations of all types. That many pony clubs folded around here it made me near cry. Insurance is a huge cost these days for Sporting groups and social clubs of all kinds.  Trotting clubs really feel it too , as have large premises. 

There's a lot of detail in running a club. for any sport. 

The Australian Turf Club Sydney went bust , even with running expensive thoroughbreds racing . Racing usually does much better than harness , as is 10 times more popular. 

  I thought people on forums are/were supposed to be Harness racing fans ?, but offer No support to the sport . On this site anyway.  Thankfully ENTAIN did for NZ and QLD harness racing, BUT you all get stuck in to them as a bad business decision ???? . hahahaha that's so ironic it's funny. And then the way the HRNZ have supported All the clubs is tremendous with the Entain funding. you blokes ONLY want to support some of the clubs. (and hardly any of the New races and concepts put in place the last 3 years.) 

Fancy thinking you all have the right to Allocate the funding as You see fit when it's been the job of HRNZ for over hundred years? . They know what they're doing. But keep picking on em' . The racing is better than ever. We even had driver Slot races at Albion last weekend . twas brilliant stuff innovations for plenty of people to enjoy something different. Brodie and Galah would pick it to pieces though as someone had to put up some money for a slot lol 🤣

Thankfully in OZ people make moves to keep the harness racing going, (Seymour sponsors SA trotting to keep them going for example) (Vic State Government bought land of HRV to prop them up from a $66,000,000 debt.) Entain have done the same in NZ but this forum site doesn't appreciate a company worth over 3 billion dollars helping.😂🤣 bite the God's hand that helps them lol. Using punting dollars they made too. so what goes round comes round. 

. Of course we want the rich Participants to do ok as in getting winners. BECAUSE They pour in the Most money to breeding and yearling sales. Seymour and Mick BOOTs with 300 horses plus each doing a tremendous job (Like Stonewall there I guess as the equal of that effort) so plenty of staff , breeders and trotting clubs benefit. Excellent stuff and never been at this Racing level before . Too high up for you blokes . probably why all the angst. 

 Harness Racing is obviously running very light on the punting dollar everywhere. Not just because it's a very poor betting sport (things galloping out the back taking peoples money with them for example) , but Pokies reign supreme for the average gambler and returns are instant. also animal welfare is a 'thing' these days. My very own 2 children wouldn't support horse racing even though I love it. there's also the 'State of the nation's economy' for people too.  There's simply better things to spend on , like your bills,  rent or mortgage lol 😋 . people love all the cruises and things like that these days for recreational dollar spending. They're smart and will take a holiday rather than waste hundreds on silly horses . that may or may not be even trying lol 😅

 

 

 

Gamma, firstly Entain is no White Knight for racing in NZ!

Quite the opposite in fact!

They are in it solely to reap 50% of-the profits from the NZ TAB for 25 years, nothing at sll to do with assisting harness racing!!

A big mistake was made by the TAB and McAnulty you will get to see!

What we dont support is the mismanagement of the finances of harness racing, it is a shocking indictment on HRNZ that they are putting the harness industry into jeopardy!

You can go on about the current racing as being great and stakes are good but only due to Entains cash splash which is going go finish and then big time problems bigger than currently!

Finally, can you suggest to Boots and Seymour to contribute say $100million each year to harness NZ to keep the stakes where they currently are?

Auckland and Csmbridge are in deep shite and thats with the Entain $ imagine what will happen in 2 years?

HRNZ are treating the public with contempt 

Edited 2 hours ago by Brodie

[Gammalite]

31 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Auckland and Csmbridge are in deep shite and thats with the Entain $ imagine what will happen in 2 years?

HRNZ are treating the public with contempt 

What do you do when you're in deep shite mate ? A/ you dig yourself out.

A company worth over $3,000,000,000 has bailed out NZ harness nicely. Many owners and trainers still enjoying themselves. they Won't disappear at 2 years Brodster. Stop shitting yourself about it. 

ATC are trying to sell assets to help with their debt.  IMO selling off Training facilities of 20 trainers and 200 horses is a MAJOR mistake, and I keep praying it doesn't happen. It will only speed up the demise , like selling the Takanini training track of the thoroughbred Trainers that time by the Auckland Racing Club. just ruins it. 

IS Not HRNZ job to treat the public . They provide racing for the participants . and Rules for the hands on Participants too. I could go in to more detail , but you hate them already. Your fellow kiwi's putting on a sport.

HRNZ are doing an amazing job of it. So much so the Aussies are back in force to capitalize on this amazing good fortune for them . The clubs put on the facility for the public . As Cambridge do each year annually for 1000's of your NZ People (public to enjoy ) along with music and that . bloody legends doing that. where's the contempt you talk about? that's just BS Brodie in your head. 

Did I give you THE JANITOR tip mate ??  😉 watch out for stablemate GUS  too. in the TAB Slot trot. Might as well make Cambridge Part of the Queensland racing circuit ? the way Leap To Fame kicked in last year. 

 

[Nowornever]

13 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

ATC are trying to sell assets to help with their debt

After they sell the nest egg what do they do next time they run into trouble which is almost a certainty with the reduction in horses and trainers? How to stop the downward spiral to the bottom? They need punters but if the product is no good it is a vicious circle of death. My weekly spend on the North is 5% of what it used to be. You can tell by the exotic pools that many punters have abandoned the North island in droves. They used to get 20K quite regularly in the Alex Park trifecta pools on a Friday night and now they are generally well below 10K and sometimes below 2K in those 6 and seven horse fields and they are also comingled. At least the grass tracks are still worth playing into.

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

What do you do when you're in deep shite mate ? A/ you dig yourself out.

A company worth over $3,000,000,000 has bailed out NZ harness nicely. Many owners and trainers still enjoying themselves. they Won't disappear at 2 years Brodster. Stop shitting yourself about it. 

ATC are trying to sell assets to help with their debt.  IMO selling off Training facilities of 20 trainers and 200 horses is a MAJOR mistake, and I keep praying it doesn't happen. It will only speed up the demise , like selling the Takanini training track of the thoroughbred Trainers that time by the Auckland Racing Club. just ruins it. 

IS Not HRNZ job to treat the public . They provide racing for the participants . and Rules for the hands on Participants too. I could go in to more detail , but you hate them already. Your fellow kiwi's putting on a sport.

HRNZ are doing an amazing job of it. So much so the Aussies are back in force to capitalize on this amazing good fortune for them . The clubs put on the facility for the public . As Cambridge do each year annually for 1000's of your NZ People (public to enjoy ) along with music and that . bloody legends doing that. where's the contempt you talk about? that's just BS Brodie in your head. 

Did I give you THE JANITOR tip mate ??  😉 watch out for stablemate GUS  too. in the TAB Slot trot. Might as well make Cambridge Part of the Queensland racing circuit ? the way Leap To Fame kicked in last year. 

 

Its all good then Gamma lol

If you think HRNZ are doing an amazing job, would hate to see a bad job!

Anyway, I hope you are correct and they are doing an amazing job!

The thing is one of us is going to be right and I definitely hope it is you Gamma!

Reality is that it wont be unless Boots and Seymour are prepared to throw in a lazy $100m each and every year going forward!

I challenge someone to speak up in affirmative of how HRNZ is currently managing the finances, and why they believe it is possible to maintain the current stake money in 2 years time and grow the business!