Haunui Farm Kings Plate Grp3 2026 - Alabama Lass throws the race.

[Murray Fish]

it will be interesting to see if the put the video up with it there for us to see?

[Chief Stipe]

 

[hesi]

Looks like the only thing she could have shied at was the rail going from white to black?

[Chief Stipe]

1 minute ago, hesi said:

Looks like the only thing she could have shied at was the rail going from white to black?

I thought it was the whip initially but I'm not so sure now.  I've seen her lose the plot when she is put under pressure.  I reckon  Sweynesday came back at her.  Notice how she went for the clerk of the courses horse when caught?

[hesi]

Have a look at the video, was not in reaction to a whip strike.  Collet used the whip twice 20-30 m before she shied

[curious]

She flanked her and when she thought she was going to do it again, she leapt out of the way before it happened. Good on her.

Edited 23 hours ago by curious

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, hesi said:

Have a look at the video, was not in reaction to a whip strike.  Collet used the whip twice 20-30 m before she shied

I just had another look.  If you go back well before she shied you will see her look away from the fence just before the distance marker on the rail.

[Chief Stipe]

12 minutes ago, curious said:

She flanked her and when she thought she was going to do it again, she leapt out of the way before it happened.

Oh ok you know what horses think now?  As for getting "flanked" Craig Williams "flanked" her 6 times in the straight in the Moir.

[billy connolly]

57 minutes ago, curious said:

She flanked her and when she thought she was going to do it again, she leapt out of the way before it happened. Good on her.

More nonsense from the village clown.

The horse instinctively thought the running rail was no longer there when confronted with black sponsors crap wrapped around the rail and under pressure has automatically veered left thinking the rail wasn't there to follow.

This scenario further highlights the ineptness of Stewards and officials in this country. There's none so blind as those who cannot see.

Edited 22 hours ago by billy connolly

[curious]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Oh ok you know what horses think now?  As for getting "flanked" Craig Williams "flanked" her 6 times in the straight in the Moir.

You opined about what she was thinking so I thought I'd have a go too

[Chief Stipe]

2 minutes ago, curious said:

You opined about what she was thinking so I thought I'd have a go too

I said she shied and offered some possible reasons.  You made a statement which first said she WAS flanked (evidence not in on that) and then that she THOUGHT that the alleged flanking would occur again.  Yet in the video I posted she was flanked 6 times by Willo and didn't flinch.  Now my opinion is that like previously when the real pressure goes on AL will often melt.

[curious]

5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I said she shied and offered some possible reasons.  You made a statement which first said she WAS flanked (evidence not in on that) and then that she THOUGHT that the alleged flanking would occur again.  Yet in the video I posted she was flanked 6 times by Willo and didn't flinch.  Now my opinion is that like previously when the real pressure goes on AL will often melt.

OK. So now you have another or advanced opinion about what she thinks? Fair enough. Each to their own.

[curious]

2 hours ago, billy connolly said:

  under pressure has automatically veered left thinking the rail wasn't there to follow.

You obviously know what horses are thinking too but you might want to pay a trip to spec savers or the dyslexia clinic. When I watched it she veered right, not left.

[The Centaur]

She veered outwards late in the piece of last years Railway against Crocetti. 

[Chief Stipe]

28 minutes ago, The Centaur said:

She veered outwards late in the piece of last years Railway against Crocetti. 

Yep she has some quirks.  I'm not a fan of head gear but if a horse ever needed blinkers it's her.  Not that I'm a trainer.  

[The Centaur]

13 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Yep she has some quirks.  I'm not a fan of head gear but if a horse ever needed blinkers it's her.  Not that I'm a trainer.  

Any horse that reacts to the whip the jockey hence forward should be banned from using the whip but NB still carry the whip. Safety has always to be placed first.

[bono]

First of all many thanks for being moderated again...thoroughly deserve it

Trainer Ken Kelso on WI
"She reacted to the whip...and I don't think she really needed to use it"

What he said

From WI this morning its apparent from the overhead her movement into the rail started 3/4 L before she got to the painted rail..so that had nothing to do with it

[bono]

Stop press

That should read 

3 to 4 L 

Blessed are the moderaters

[Chief Stipe]

2 hours ago, bono said:

From WI this morning its apparent from the overhead her movement into the rail started 3/4 L before she got to the painted rail..so that had nothing to do with it

 

2 hours ago, bono said:

Stop press

That should read 

3 to 4 L 

 No from what I saw she ran in at the point the white rail changes to a brown (dark?) rail.

2 hours ago, bono said:

First of all many thanks for being moderated again...thoroughly deserve it

Trainer Ken Kelso on WI
"She reacted to the whip...and I don't think she really needed to use it"

Not incorrect however what about another theory.  She has run away from the whip previously but only slightly.  She got a hammering in the Moir from Craig Williams but didn't stray from her line.  

Yes she has run away from the whip when hit but not by much and at the same time the rail changes from bright white in colour to dark brown.  Horses can distinguish white very clearly but dark colours blend into a green/grey morass i.e. a horse is red/green colour blind. 

So is it possible that yes she did react to the whip BUT thought there was room to run away from it because in her vision the rail wasn't there?  Or her reaction unbalanced her (and the Jockey) and once she touched the rail she doubled down on the reaction.

Looking back at her races Sam Spratt mostly whipped her on the inside on left and right hand tracks.  First race ride for Sam Collett.  As for not needing the whip I disagree.  Sweynesday wasn't giving up.

[curious]

16 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Yep she has some quirks.  I'm not a fan of head gear but if a horse ever needed blinkers it's her.  Not that I'm a trainer.  

If you don't realise that horses react to pain and that blinkers will make no difference, then it might be a good thing that you are not a trainer.

[Chief Stipe]

 

[Chief Stipe]

41 minutes ago, curious said:

If you don't realise that horses react to pain and that blinkers will make no difference, then it might be a good thing that you are not a trainer.

If you don't realise that horses can see behind them and don't realise that blinkers can make a difference, then it might be a good thing that you are no longer a trainer.  I can post many head on shots of horses moving their rear away from the whip BEFORE they have been hit in anticipation that they will.  As the following diagram shows a horse has monocular vision to the rear meaning it can distinguish what is happening left or right separately. 

Horses also do not have a great depth perception because their binocular vision is limited.  That's part of the reason why horses shy suddenly at objects.  A Jockey see's the winning post and determines its distance well before a horse does which has caught out many Jockeys.

[curious]

So, you agree that blinkers don't stop horses reacting to pain or the anticipation of it, as AL did?

[curious]

27 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

 

"She's reacted to the stick and jumped inwards" "Whether she needed to hit or or not, I don't know"

Any one who's trained more G1 winners than Ken, please feel free to post an alternative opinion.

[hesi]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

 

 No from I saw she ran in at the point the white rail changes to a brown (dark?) rail.

Not incorrect however what about another theory.  She has run away from the whip previously but only slightly.  She got a hammering in the Moir from Craig Williams but didn't stray from her line.  

Yes she has run away from the whip when hit but not by much and at the same time the rail changes from bright white in colour to dark brown.  Horses can distinguish white very clearly but dark colours blend into a green/grey morass i.e. a horse is red/green colour blind. 

So is it possible that yes she did react to the whip BUT thought there was room to run away from it because in her vision the rail wasn't there?  Or her reaction unbalanced her (and the Jockey) and once she touched the rail she doubled down on the reaction.

Looking back at her races Sam Spratt mostly whipped her on the inside on left and right hand tracks.  First race ride for Sam Collett.  As for not needing the whip I disagree.  Sweynesday wasn't giving up.

Agree totally