Guest CrossCodes Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 A big roomy track like Pukekohe seems to suck most NZ riders in like a vacuum, nothing making much ground today from the back half of the field and the times run suggest that the riders in this country just lack any courage to set a decent tempo, or actually improve their position when at the back knowing they are no chance in what are just sprint home races. This is indicative of most races in NZ, all just jump, sit on your horse till the home straight l, then try and sprint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Agree with you, even the staying races follow the same pattern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Same on most nz tracks now, reason most punters bet on aus races,exception ted and barry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Mate I am delighted, about it, had 5 bets today, got the winner in the last at $20. Had 4 bets yesterday for 1 winner Anachy at $23. I have 6 bets lined up for tomorrow and again I will find a winner or 2 at great odds. Its a punters paradise NZ, beats looking for $3 favs in Melbourne. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 You're becoming a worse "after the fact" punter than Thomas... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 10 hours ago, barryb said: Mate I am delighted, about it, had 5 bets today, got the winner in the last at $20. Had 4 bets yesterday for 1 winner Anachy at $23. I have 6 bets lined up for tomorrow and again I will find a winner or 2 at great odds. Its a punters paradise NZ, beats looking for $3 favs in Melbourne. Oustanding effort Bazz... You would have got the 3 Black Type performers...back to inferior mid weak... ...2 who had Blinkers fitted first time...the first Absolutely pantsed them and improved many lengths with them on... ...the last winner 2nd time in BO...who was caught wide without cover first time on... As for Anachy...the Stipes should have questioned the 32L turnaround from last start...don't you think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 44 minutes ago, Thomass said: Oustanding effort Bazz... You would have got the 3 Black Type performers...back to inferior mid weak... ...2 who had Blinkers fitted first time...the first Absolutely pantsed them and improved many lengths with them on... ...the last winner 2nd time in BO...who was caught wide without cover first time on... As for Anachy...the Stipes should have questioned the 32L turnaround from last start...don't you think? Winx isnt boring Thomass ...THIS INTERMINABLE SAME OL SAME OL SHITE FROM YOU IS BORING 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 50 minutes ago, Weasel said: Winx isnt boring Thomass ...THIS INTERMINABLE SAME OL SAME OL SHITE FROM YOU IS BORING It's da key to LIFE as we Punters know it Wesley... Just get on... CC was worried about the on pace bias BO Enable a neddy to fire up..and race handier... Its basic punting 101... Im here to help... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 CC was worried about the on pace bias Nonsense..CC was commenting about NZ jocks allowing slow tempos to dominate at Pukekohe causing a sit-sprint pattern. You just couldn't resist turning barryb's subsequent comment (about having a good day on the punt ) to speculate on which horses/why according to your MINDLESSLY STUPID POST-RACE 'wisdom' ... from behind, it is easy to look a cow or a horse in the arse, Thomass. SO HERE'S THE CHALLENGE..which horse - just the name of one horse will do - shall we put our money on in the Derby tomorrow, based on your BP and infinite wisdom. You have until start time to let us all know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 "Nothing making much ground from the back" As moi said...BO enables a neddy to fire up and race handy...which is what the Blinker wearers did... My BP's not big on set Weight racing...my niche is generally Handicap punting... ...but one of moi's nuances is investing on very fit neddys...those who can take Racing and thrive on it... As you may recall CASTLETOWN won the Derby after winning 4 days previously..the fittest on the day So MORE WONDER and PV are the fittest...but I certainly won't be going mad hatter on the race...best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 Make that PI...Platinum Invador.... btw...love the NZ school system having an influence in the spelling Stakes mistakes ...maybe on purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 6 hours ago, Thomass said: "Nothing making much ground from the back" As moi said...BO enables a neddy to fire up and race handy...which is what the Blinker wearers did... My BP's not big on set Weight racing...my niche is generally Handicap punting... ...but one of moi's nuances is investing on very fit neddys...those who can take Racing and thrive on it... As you may recall CASTLETOWN won the Derby after winning 4 days previously..the fittest on the day So MORE WONDER and PV are the fittest...but I certainly won't be going mad hatter on the race...best so your selection for the Derby is ....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 as an aside MORE WONDER yes, he's fit , 10 starts since Labour Weekend, has won only twice (over 1400m) in that time, hasnt raced beyond 1600m at all and is stepping up in trip from 1600 to 2400m in one go... Rogie is planning on taking Winx apart in the Queen Elizabeth with this superhorse...but I wouldn't touch it, despite the fact that its great-granma is Melbourne Cup winner Jezabeel. Top training effort if it wins. PLATINUM INVADOR looks a genuine stayer but is having to back up quickly AGAIN over a punishing trip (for a 3yo) having had to race last week (and win) to make the cut. Wouldnt be surprised it it runs last. Point is, Thomass ...you don't have a frikkin clue what to back until after the race, and then you're miraculously a fountain of knowledge. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Weasel said: so your selection for the Derby is ....? You'll find out afterwards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 21 hours ago, barryb said: Mate I am delighted, about it, had 5 bets today, got the winner in the last at $20. Had 4 bets yesterday for 1 winner Anachy at $23. I have 6 bets lined up for tomorrow and again I will find a winner or 2 at great odds. Its a punters paradise NZ, beats looking for $3 favs in Melbourne. Sadly Barry, just because you pick the odd nag at overs means nothing. Most clever punters, want tracks, jockeys and conditions that are essy to follow, if they dont find horses do not run true to form, they do not bet. Just because you put the odd $10 on a $30 winner because it winks at you, just shows where you at 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted March 1, 2019 Share Posted March 1, 2019 Newmarket Clever punters are those who can exploit a market, regardless of conditions or circumstances. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 On 1/03/2019 at 9:21 PM, barryb said: Newmarket Clever punters are those who can exploit a market, regardless of conditions or circumstances. Look, i know your views barry. But i am looking at it from another angle. Many huge punters from overseas only bet on certain tracks, a track that gets used every week, jockeys, trainers and horses where form is easier to read. That is the reason they have huge pools, big punters find it easier to punt on, more favs win, so more turnover. In nz we have crap tracks, average horses, some below average jockeys and horse racing turnover is tumbling. So, that tells everybody that you are in the minority, most see its in total decline. Yes, outsiders will always win, but many only win in nz, because some fukwit jockey riding favoured runners stuffs up. You yourself state that you dont like betting on favs in aus, but there is a reason they do win, and its usually great tracks and great jockeys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 Punters who win are in the minority, like less than 2%, I guess that makes you in the majority. You have to do something different to win Newmarket when the odds are 2%, following the sheeple won’t see you win a thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 2 hours ago, barryb said: Punters who win are in the minority, like less than 2%, I guess that makes you in the majority. You have to do something different to win Newmarket when the odds are 2%, following the sheeple won’t see you win a thing. And you still work?? Just because you want to of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 17 minutes ago, Newmarket said: And you still work?? Just because you want to of course Where did I say I earn a living betting?, the number doing that is a tiny fraction of the 2% who consistently win. Heres another question for you, of those who bet, what % do you think keep long term a record of every bet they make? its very close to the 2% above to help you out. Those who don't keep records would be horrified if they did, how much they lost each year & how shitful there punting really is, how little they have learn't over the years & how week in week out they make the same mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 34 minutes ago, barryb said: Where did I say I earn a living betting?, the number doing that is a tiny fraction of the 2% who consistently win. Heres another question for you, of those who bet, what % do you think keep long term a record of every bet they make? its very close to the 2% above to help you out. Those who don't keep records would be horrified if they did, how much they lost each year & how shitful there punting really is, how little they have learn't over the years & how week in week out they make the same mistakes. Yep, i agree with that. Which is why most people want favoured runners winning. More people win, more turnover, more people interested. Which is why i totally disagree with your thoughts on $3 shots. If its value, and form is there, people get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Yep, i agree with that. Which is why most people want favoured runners winning. More people win, more turnover, more people interested. Which is why i totally disagree with your thoughts on $3 shots. If its value, and form is there, people get on. Absolutely NM, trouble is 98% of punters have NO idea if its value or not, they just get on because they think its the best chance to win the race. Best chance to win the race and value ARE NOT the same thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 10 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Yep, i agree with that. Which is why most people want favoured runners winning. More people win, more turnover, more people interested. I'm not sure that is the case. UK handicap races have around the same favourite strike rate as NZ, higher average price of winners, and higher average price of the favourite. They have a lot of people interested in racing relative to NZ and certainly much higher turnover per capita than NZ. I would say the condition of the tracks is what is stalling punter interest more so. Are you suggesting that a punter that loses 10k per year is going to be happy to lose more than that a year, so long as they get more winners along the way? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, mardigras said: Are you suggesting that a punter that loses 10k per year is going to be happy to lose more than that a year, so long as they get more winners along the way? Wouldn't it depend on what their budget was for gambling? I would have thought that people only lose what they can afford to lose. Anymore than that and it is pathological. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Wouldn't it depend on what their budget was for gambling? I would have thought that people only lose what they can afford to lose. Anymore than that and it is pathological. I'd say you are right. And I'll add that races with shorter priced favourites attract less totalisator betting (more fixed odds betting). More of these that race (and then win) that are bet through fixed odds isn't necessarily going to help the industry. Less money bet through the tote is also not a positive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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