boobybec Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 As the late great Jim Lahey said "the shit hawks are circling". His days driving for team mark and nat must be numbered. Why did he let Majestic Man lead, imagine if Nat was drivng she would have hung Brad Williamson out and absolutely smoked them. Best trotter in that field by a distance and still gets beaten!!! Im off to have a wine 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 IMHO Kings Landing had every chance to run the other horse down after the softest of trips. 2nd up and beaten by a more seasoned and better horse on the day, Both are very good 4yr olds who going to provide lots of thrills for their respective connections. Greg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, boobybec said: As the late great Jim Lahey said "the shit hawks are circling". His days driving for team mark and nat must be numbered. Why did he let Majestic Man lead, imagine if Nat was drivng she would have hung Brad Williamson out and absolutely smoked them. Best trotter in that field by a distance and still gets beaten!!! Im off to have a wine Magnificent victory by Majestic Man and expertly driven by Brad Williamson who I've previously critiqued for an indecisive drive. Credit where it's due, he's been in excellent form since the drive in question. Well done Globe. You should be stoked. I believe the only way MM could beat Kings Landing today was if that horse galloped away from the pole or Tim Williams did something ridiculous like hand up to his main rival. Why is that ridiculous? Because Kings Landing is a magnificent stayer who seems to have no bottom. Why then would you allow your main rival to negate your biggest and best weapon and set it up for a sprint home? Madness. If he had no option to hand up, he should have come straight off and retook the lead or at least controlled the race from the parked spot. He had ample opportunity to do so. Today's race proved three things to me. Majestic Man is a beauty but we already knew that. Secondly, don't send in a boy to do a mans job and thirdly, having a stablemate to assist you control the race as per AS usual MO is extremely helpful. Will be interesting to see if Williams retains the drive in future and if he does, don't expect him to ever hand up again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobybec Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 4 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: IMHO Kings Landing had every chance to run the other horse down after the softest of trips. 2nd up and beaten by a more seasoned and better horse on the day, Both are very good 4yr olds who going to provide lots of thrills for their respective connections. Greg Quite possibly but the few times I have punted Tim Williams he gets beaten. No way Rasmussen would have handed up, same result ..... i suspect not 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Just now, JJ Flash said: IMHO Kings Landing had every chance to run the other horse down after the softest of trips. 2nd up and beaten by a more seasoned and better horse on the day, Both are very good 4yr olds who going to provide lots of thrills for their respective connections. Greg You wouldn't know if your arse was on fire, Best you remove the full blinkers. Races are invariably won and lost well before the home straight. Kings Landing lost the race when Williams handed up and then refused to retake the lead or at least control the race from parked. He will NEVER do that again. If you're driving a magnificent trotter that is a truly wonderful stayer, you don't gift your rival the race by allowing him to negate your biggest weapon. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enteebee Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 we are thrilled with the win - Majestic Man was fresh up after a wee break - he wears a murphy blind and probably only saw the other one coming late and stuck his head out to win sounds like he heading to Auckland 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Joe Kidd said: You wouldn't know if your arse was on fire, Best you remove the full blinkers. Races are invariably won and lost well before the home straight. Kings Landing lost the race when Williams handed up and then refused to retake the lead or at least control the race from parked. He will NEVER do that again. If you're driving a magnificent trotter that is a truly wonderful stayer, you don't gift your rival the race by allowing him to negate your biggest weapon. Don't underestimate our boys staying power Joe. He can stay. Brad was going to go around regardless, you cant leave a horse like King Landing dictate the pace., so it would have been all on anyway and I would back our horse to prevail any day. Time will tell , but we shall bask in the sun for a while. Some nice big plums comming up before heading off to the Jewels. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobybec Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, globederby12 said: Don't underestimate our boys staying power Joe. He can stay. Brad was going to go around regardless, you cant leave a horse like King Landing dictate the pace., so it would have been all on anyway and I would back our horse to prevail any day. Time will tell , but we shall bask in the sun for a while. Some nice big plums comming up before heading off to the Jewels. Congratulations 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 hours ago, boobybec said: Quite possibly but the few times I have punted Tim Williams he gets beaten. No way Rasmussen would have handed up, same result ..... i suspect not Possibly but you won't know for some time as she is on holiday Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDWHITEMAN Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Enteebee said: we are thrilled with the win - Majestic Man was fresh up after a wee break - he wears a murphy blind and probably only saw the other one coming late and stuck his head out to win sounds like he heading to Auckland Congratulations on a fine win. I am looking forward to your good horse Majestic Man and Kings Landing clashing in future. Both horses are what harness racing needs, especially in the trotting ranks that has been weak lately. Both horses are exciting prospects. All the best in the future with the horse. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDWHITEMAN Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 3 hours ago, boobybec said: Quite possibly but the few times I have punted Tim Williams he gets beaten. No way Rasmussen would have handed up, same result ..... i suspect not I think you are being a tad harsh on young Williams. OK, he is not as good a driver as Natalie Rasmussen or Mark Purdon. Few are... both are world class drivers, Rasmussen in particular. Williams does a good job, he is currently third on the Drivers' Premiership with 61 wins for the season to date. And before you say it is because he drives for the top stable take a look at his drive on Dibaba last night, it was top class. Williams drives for many of the countries top stables regularly so he is a respected horseman within the industry. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 Tim is a good sportsman. In teenage rugby he kept an All Black out. Great family as well 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 5 hours ago, boobybec said: As the late great Jim Lahey said "the shit hawks are circling". His days driving for team mark and nat must be numbered. Why did he let Majestic Man lead, imagine if Nat was drivng she would have hung Brad Williamson out and absolutely smoked them. Best trotter in that field by a distance and still gets beaten!!! Im off to have a wine must of downed a wine or two by now lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 I'm sure Tim Williams comes from a good family etc but I wasn't questioning his pedigree Majestic Man is a superb horse who can sprint and stay but in my opinion, the only way he can ever beat Kings Landing is if he can lead that horse like he did yesterday. K.L has an enormous motor and just keeps going when his opposition have run their race. As a result, that's exactly how you drive him. Control the race from the top or parked and then it's thanks for coming. To do otherwise as Tim did yesterday was just wrong on every level. MP or Nat would have been on to it big time and popped straight off the moment MM took the lead off him. Instead, Tim decided to drive KL pretty for the rest of the race which fell right into the hands of MM. A rookie error in my opinion that highlighted the AS are only human when they don't have multiple runners in the same race assisting each other to control said race. Tim has had things laid out on a platter by the AS in a way other young drivers could only fantasize about. He was average early on but getting to drive superior horses under the watchful and helpful eyes of MP and NM was always going to see him thrive which it did. He not only has considerable knowledge now but he also has that all important confidence. Let's be honest, being an important part of a team that plays helpful musical chairs on the best horses in big money races has also been a gift for him that keeps giving. Time will always be the best judge on a horse but I'm certain the future victories of Kings Landing and the way they are achieved will highlight what a pigs ear Tim made of the job yesterday. Interestingly, I felt he also got it badly wrong with Cheerful yesterday who like KL, should also have been a virtual past the post prospect but Tim found a way to see her beaten as well. Kings Landing needed a never say die drive. Cheerful didn't. When she beat Sunnys Little Jestic last week with Samantha in the bike, it was clear that Sunnys Little Jestic would derive great benefit from the first up run after a spell. Having Brent Mangos down for the drive put it up in lights who would be leading. You also had the very good Majestic Chevron ready to stand up. Tim drove Cheerful exactly like it was Kings Landing and KL like it was Cheerful. Race was set up for a Martina Hingis to have the last say. Gavin Smith owes Tim Williams a huge thank you. Mango was never going to hand up easily. Tim drove Cheerful in a one dimensional manner when something other than that was required. I put both surprise defeats yesterday down to him. I'm certain he will bounce back and carry on his winning ways. He's a fine young driver who just happened to get it badly wrong yesterday without that all important assistance from helpful team mates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 16 hours ago, JJ Flash said: IMHO Kings Landing had every chance to run the other horse down after the softest of trips. 2nd up and beaten by a more seasoned and better horse on the day, Both are very good 4yr olds who going to provide lots of thrills for their respective connections. Greg At some point, perhaps you will realize that "the softest of trips" is exactly what Kings Landing didn't need but based on your usual Pollyanna logic, I won't hold my breath. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 14 hours ago, globederby12 said: Don't underestimate our boys staying power Joe. He can stay. Brad was going to go around regardless, you cant leave a horse like King Landing dictate the pace., so it would have been all on anyway and I would back our horse to prevail any day. Time will tell , but we shall bask in the sun for a while. Some nice big plums comming up before heading off to the Jewels. Fine win Globe. It's also fantastic that the AS don't have every weight division in the bag. I look forward very much to future clashes. Having said that, it's my opinion that if your boy went to war with KL and beat him, you have the next David Moss 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 14 minutes ago, Joe Kidd said: At some point, perhaps you will realize that "the softest of trips" is exactly what Kings Landing didn't need but based on your usual Pollyanna logic, I won't hold my breath. Your starting to act and write like Thomas every day. Are you related by chance. Let's just see what happens with these 2 fine trotters in the coming months and years. No doubt Mark or Nat will be on the horse soon as they have had other commitments of late which precluded them taking the reins down south. Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobybec Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 32 minutes ago, Joe Kidd said: I'm sure Tim Williams comes from a good family etc but I wasn't questioning his pedigree Majestic Man is a superb horse who can sprint and stay but in my opinion, the only way he can ever beat Kings Landing is if he can lead that horse like he did yesterday. K.L has an enormous motor and just keeps going when his opposition have run their race. As a result, that's exactly how you drive him. Control the race from the top or parked and then it's thanks for coming. To do otherwise as Tim did yesterday was just wrong on every level. MP or Nat would have been on to it big time and popped straight off the moment MM took the lead off him. Instead, Tim decided to drive KL pretty for the rest of the race which fell right into the hands of MM. A rookie error in my opinion that highlighted the AS are only human when they don't have multiple runners in the same race assisting each other to control said race. Tim has had things laid out on a platter by the AS in a way other young drivers could only fantasize about. He was average early on but getting to drive superior horses under the watchful and helpful eyes of MP and NM was always going to see him thrive which it did. He not only has considerable knowledge now but he also has that all important confidence. Let's be honest, being an important part of a team that plays helpful musical chairs on the best horses in big money races has also been a gift for him that keeps giving. Time will always be the best judge on a horse but I'm certain the future victories of Kings Landing and the way they are achieved will highlight what a pigs ear Tim made of the job yesterday. Interestingly, I felt he also got it badly wrong with Cheerful yesterday who like KL, should also have been a virtual past the post prospect but Tim found a way to see her beaten as well. Kings Landing needed a never say die drive. Cheerful didn't. When she beat Sunnys Little Jestic last week with Samantha in the bike, it was clear that Sunnys Little Jestic would derive great benefit from the first up run after a spell. Having Brent Mangos down for the drive put it up in lights who would be leading. You also had the very good Majestic Chevron ready to stand up. Tim drove Cheerful exactly like it was Kings Landing and KL like it was Cheerful. Race was set up for a Martina Hingis to have the last say. Gavin Smith owes Tim Williams a huge thank you. Mango was never going to hand up easily. Tim drove Cheerful in a one dimensional manner when something other than that was required. I put both surprise defeats yesterday down to him. I'm certain he will bounce back and carry on his winning ways. He's a fine young driver who just happened to get it badly wrong yesterday without that all important assistance from helpful team mates. OMG Did Cheerful get beaten too? WTF?? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 10 minutes ago, boobybec said: OMG Did Cheerful get beaten too? WTF?? Yep and yet the sun rose this morning Greg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boobybec Posted March 9, 2019 Author Share Posted March 9, 2019 7 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Yep and yet the sun rose this morning Greg Indeed it did and i have a rather sore head. You must have had a terrible day on the punt if team blue didn't win a race? 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 33 minutes ago, boobybec said: Indeed it did and i have a rather sore head. You must have had a terrible day on the punt if team blue didn't win a race? They don't perform when the head honchos don't put the final polish on....how many times have we seen it in the last few months 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 31 minutes ago, boobybec said: Indeed it did and i have a rather sore head. You must have had a terrible day on the punt if team blue didn't win a race? Some fascinating AS results yesterday with a few coincidences and common denominators. 1) The boss was absent. 2) Tim Williams was the driver on all AS hot pots that were rolled. 3) All horses beaten were the sole AS runner in the race. Letterkenny Boy at $1.15 when I last looked was wiped out with Tim in the bike. Well driven to get the 1x1 only to have Colin Lee and Bigandme lose the plot and wipe out the raging hot fav. Stood down until 1 satisfactory trial. The backers of L B would be well impressed with that "penalty". Kings Landing at yours for theirs was driven upside down and rolled. A false fav in my opinion, Funatthebeach could only manage third in the Southland Cup. Cheerful at 1.30 was driven upside down when Tim seemingly thought he was driving Lyell Creek with the inevitable outcome. Will be the only time Swizz Miss ever finishes ahead of Cheerful again. To my eyes, 4 AS defeats from 4 would have been at 1000-1 yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 58 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Yep and yet the sun rose this morning Greg and Pollyanna's turtle head emerges from under the silky blue and silver duvet. Dr Shagelpussmacdiddlepoo. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Your starting to act and write like Thomas every day. Are you related by chance. Let's just see what happens with these 2 fine trotters in the coming months and years. No doubt Mark or Nat will be on the horse soon as they have had other commitments of late which precluded them taking the reins down south. Greg I no what one of the two will go on to be great horse it will not be the Purdon horse 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted March 9, 2019 Share Posted March 9, 2019 1 hour ago, boobybec said: Indeed it did and i have a rather sore head. You must have had a terrible day on the punt if team blue didn't win a race? the wine was the winner lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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