JasonMc Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) what is everyone's thought on the decision too harsh too soft? my other question is reading the report the Schofield Snr is basically a greyhound transporter and the Jnr is the trainer but with Jnr being banned from the track Snr turns up?? Isn't this another offence in itself? http://www.jca.org.nz/non-race-day-hearings/non-raceday-inquiry-riu-v-d-schofield-reserved-decision-dated-29-april-2018-chair-prof-g-hall Edited May 2, 2018 by Bigjay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonMc Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) so many questions. Also as Rosso said on Dogzone yesterday this and the Cole scandal dogs only get in the media for the bad news not the good news. Why does NZGRA not push some stories to main stream media like last weeks Oaks 4 of the runners trained by trainers under 30 years old showing youth in the industry is actually booming Edited May 2, 2018 by Bigjay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrossCodes Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 How did the association allow these dogs being trained by unlicensed trainers, in what can only be described as a drug fuelled environment? Is this another case of having rules in place, but just not being enforced as it is a big name trainer? Once again GRNZ fails its industry members again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonMc Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 8 minutes ago, CrossCodes said: How did the association allow these dogs being trained by unlicensed trainers, in what can only be described as a drug fuelled environment? Is this another case of having rules in place, but just not being enforced as it is a big name trainer? Once again GRNZ fails its industry members again. do they still do kennel inspections? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlid Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 21 minutes ago, Bigjay said: so many questions. Also as Rosso said on Dogzone yesterday this and the Cole scandal dogs only get in the media for the bad news not the good news. Why does NZGRA not push some stories to main stream media like last weeks Oaks 4 of the runners trained by trainers under 30 years old showing youth in the industry is actually booming Things normally get on to the news because that's the news content that appeals to most. If the Association had of Taken the Cole complaint in hand and dealt to it appropriately instead of being Railroaded by Informed insiders it might not be news anymore. The Schofield "P" farm should be closed down and the handcuffs at the ready for Cole.. Feel sorry for Rozo as he is amongst all the shit at Present Schofield, an ongoing Investigation into Baiting Rendle/Cole/ Lozell Camp and Roberts and his dodgy qualifiers that he runs against others that have worked within the rules tirelessly for years to get to that stage of competing. Yes, well done to the youngsters for sure but don't forget One is already following in his Dad's footsteps and has a positive charge. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonMc Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 5 minutes ago, cichlid said: Things normally get on to the news because that's the news content that appeals to most. If the Association had of Taken the Cole complaint in hand and dealt to it appropriately instead of being Railroaded by Informed insiders it might not be news anymore. The Schofield "P" farm should be closed down and the handcuffs at the ready for Cole.. Feel sorry for Rozo as he is amongst all the shit at Present Schofield, an ongoing Investigation into Baiting Rendle/Cole/ Lozell Camp and Roberts and his dodgy qualifiers that he runs against others that have worked within the rules tirelessly for years to get to that stage of competing. Yes, well done to the youngsters for sure but don't forget One is already following in his Dad's footsteps and has a positive charge. do you have the link to the positive with Matt? I must of missed that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonMc Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 Godber on trackside radio saying rules allow Snr to allow day to day running to Jnr and nothing stopping them, and with 2 handlers on site means a registered person is always on site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonMc Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 appealed decision so has a stay of proceeding so can race until hearing heard in next few weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 49 minutes ago, Bigjay said: Godber on trackside radio saying rules allow Snr to allow day to day running to Jnr and nothing stopping them, and with 2 handlers on site means a registered person is always on site. isnt junior disqalified Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonMc Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 2 minutes ago, wally said: isnt junior disqalified I believe so or if not banned from the track. must not be Disqualified as sure rules say cant have dogs on property if disq 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonMc Posted May 2, 2018 Author Share Posted May 2, 2018 https://www.tvnz.co.nz/one-news/sport/other/veteran-trainer-appeals-two-year-ban-after-winning-greyhound-found-traces-p-in-its-system-watch-end-race "If his appeal is unsuccessful Scholfield's 40 dogs will be transferred to his wife Pam" so nothing will change if he is unsuccessful they will go in Pam's name and still be kennelled with Junior and thing will just go on like nothing has happened, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Don’t follow the dogs that much, but this has just been all over TV 1 news. What a disgrace? The industry is in trouble. Drunk and abusive commentator, trainers fighting, threats, now P??? Puts me right off to be honest, feel sorry for the good ones involved in the sport, they must be embarrassed 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: Don’t follow the dogs that much, but this has just been all over TV 1 news. What a disgrace? The industry is in trouble. Drunk and abusive commentator, trainers fighting, threats, now P??? Puts me right off to be honest, feel sorry for the good ones involved in the sport, they must be embarrassed newie who was the commentator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 hour ago, wally said: newie who was the commentator Brian Martin was stood down one night was he not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 Just now, Newmarket said: Brian Martin was stood down one night was he not? yep now i remember Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 1 minute ago, wally said: yep now i remember Well, maybe he wasn’t drunk, but I thought that they suspected him to be drinking, then they replaced him with mark Rosso. Sadly, everything on tv about the dogs appears to always be negative, real shame 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Well, maybe he wasn’t drunk, but I thought that they suspected him to be drinking, then they replaced him with mark Rosso. Sadly, everything on tv about the dogs appears to always be negative, real shame yep lot of controversy about that now i remember wonder what he is doing now Edited May 2, 2018 by wally 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 I've heard he's now a scientist woking in paper mill. A nice guy with a real love/understanding of the greyhound industry. The NZRB lost a very valuable asset because of one night in Wanganui. The NZRB would be in a better position now if they kept Brian on the books & lost Wanganui...... 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wally Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 actually he should get an extra 2 years for bringing the sport into disrepute how many news articles out there now wanting sport banned 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 3 hours ago, Yankiwi said: I've heard he's now a scientist woking in paper mill. A nice guy with a real love/understanding of the greyhound industry. The NZRB lost a very valuable asset because of one night in Wanganui. The NZRB would be in a better position now if they kept Brian on the books & lost Wanganui...... Yes, a huge loss to the industry was Brian Martin, and it appears to have gone downhill ever since, lurching from one scandal to the next. In my opinion Brian was shafted. As for Schofield, what can you say, and as for the NZGRA, they allowed this situation to develop knowing full well the kennel situation. Just another example of who you are when it comes to rules and policy with the NZ Greyhound Racing Ass. It is an organization out of control, run by people that are only interested in self promotion. Whenever a problem arises, their answer is to employ some new chum to join their growing band of bureaucrats at head office. Recent scandals, and funnily they all appear to be in the Nth Island. Crooked Vet at Auckland Racing Club. Crooked Chairman of the NZGRA board. Crooked dutch rort perpetuated against the other two codes at Wanganui. Rocketship rort perpetuated by recent CEO. Board member burning pile of dead Greyhounds. Sitting on their arses, and allowing Cole saga to continue dragging the industry down, this should of been nipped in the bud at the beginning one way or the other. Now we have the Schofield saga set to drag the industry down even further. I see the TV were seeking comment from the NZGRA, yes you guessed it, nowhere to be found. You have to ask yourself, what with all these people employed at the NZGRA Ass, there appears to be no one prepared to defend the Schofield scandal. Interesting times ahead. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlid Posted May 2, 2018 Share Posted May 2, 2018 This is the sort of limp crap coming out of the office and one of very few changes or improvements the highly paid Dr Mairi Stewart has made since starting... A front making out we are right into Welfare Concerns Remit three - Submitted by Head of Welfare Greyhounds must remain in the care and control of a Licenced Person at all times unless the Association gives written permission to do otherwise. Greyhounds must not be kept at the premises of, or trained by those who are not Licenced Persons, unless the Association gives written permission to do so. This is a new Rule in response to the Hansen Report which raised concerns about greyhounds being trained or broken in on unregistered properties, and unregistered/unlicensed persons. Where is the due report from the Miracle Man Maro Bararsi, what's he really done since he parked his arse at Head Office ? Just continuing the amazing work the hero Phil Holden didn't do... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yankiwi Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 2 hours ago, cichlid said: Remit three - Submitted by Head of Welfare Greyhounds must remain in the care and control of a Licenced Person at all times unless the Association gives written permission to do otherwise. Greyhounds must not be kept at the premises of, or trained by those who are not Licenced Persons, unless the Association gives written permission to do so. This is a new Rule in response to the Hansen Report which raised concerns about greyhounds being trained or broken in on unregistered properties, and unregistered/unlicensed persons. There's going to be some very long hours spent by LP's at the Vet's, while their dog undergoes leg reconstruction surgery & recovery or the like.... No more getting the parents in to look after the dogs for one night, while Mr & Mrs trainer go out for a few drinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Yankiwi said: There's going to be some very long hours spent by LP's at the Vet's, while their dog undergoes leg reconstruction surgery & recovery or the like.... No more getting the parents in to look after the dogs for one night, while Mr & Mrs trainer go out for a few drinks. They just do not think before thinking up new rules, by in large, knee jerk responses to most issues. I see they have a troll on Racecafe going by the name of Emotive. It is obviously somebody from the NZGRA trying to square off all their stupid decisions. A message to the troll Emotive, you have to gazette new rules for LP's to be able to read them. Even a halfwit would understand that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 I did like Brian Martin asa commentator, loved the sport, and showed some passion. If he is now working as a scientist, that is good news. All the best to him. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 3, 2018 Share Posted May 3, 2018 7 hours ago, aquaman said: Yes, a huge loss to the industry was Brian Martin, and it appears to have gone downhill ever since, lurching from one scandal to the next. In my opinion Brian was shafted. As for Schofield, what can you say, and as for the NZGRA, they allowed this situation to develop knowing full well the kennel situation. Just another example of who you are when it comes to rules and policy with the NZ Greyhound Racing Ass. It is an organization out of control, run by people that are only interested in self promotion. Whenever a problem arises, their answer is to employ some new chum to join their growing band of bureaucrats at head office. Recent scandals, and funnily they all appear to be in the Nth Island. Crooked Vet at Auckland Racing Club. Crooked Chairman of the NZGRA board. Crooked dutch rort perpetuated against the other two codes at Wanganui. Rocketship rort perpetuated by recent CEO. Board member burning pile of dead Greyhounds. Sitting on their arses, and allowing Cole saga to continue dragging the industry down, this should of been nipped in the bud at the beginning one way or the other. Now we have the Schofield saga set to drag the industry down even further. I see the TV were seeking comment from the NZGRA, yes you guessed it, nowhere to be found. You have to ask yourself, what with all these people employed at the NZGRA Ass, there appears to be no one prepared to defend the Schofield scandal. Interesting times ahead. You’ve been around for a long time in the game John, what is wrong with the game? Does seem to be a Nth island issue? I used to go to QE2 Park to watch the dogs racing, around the time Shorty Bijou Raced. Think that was his name, used to fly out wide on the grass track, you could nearly touch him he was that wide. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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